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Of course if it truly is totaled, that's another story.
I don't know SOA's cost to manufacture but let's say $10K as an easy number - that translates out to a $17 million hit.
An STi would be simply painful on DC's streets, loaded with pot holes.
Forester has about the same footprint, despite being roomier. It has a very long travel suspension to absord those bumps and potholes. It has the best visibility of any Subaru, too.
Most tolerant ride, easy to park, great visibility, higher view point, same nimble feel and short wheelbase, yet still practical.
WRX wagon would do just fine as well. OB XT feels kinda big for city driving.
-juice
-juice
i want to comment so bad LOL :P
fitzmall has a few for around 22k so how much could i lose???
Hope the link works w/o need of login.
If you want comfort and the luxury feel, then get the Tribeca. If you want fun, in the sense of speed and feeling the road, then go for the OB XT or Forester XT. Although between the Forester XT and OB XT, I would say the OB is more comfortable for long rides.
Don't forget that the Tribeca is intended to be a luxury vehicle, not a speed demon. Subaru is trying to move upmarket with it, and I fele they have taken a step ion the right direction. I do have to say that once the Tribeca gets going it has plenty of power - it's just the initial getting up to speed that is slow.
It comes down to this: Drive what you like, not what others tell you!
Just my .02
Mark
While the Forester XT is an okay car, I can't take it seriously as anything close to a sports car like the WRX. Handling is 90% of the car. The "old" WRX is much more fun to drive than any FXT. My father just bought the 06 FXT and it's a good car, but I wouldn't buy one.
Robert B
NY
http://www.dlo.com
Best Regards to all - Loving the Tribeca
Craig
It almost does, and rightly so.
Rumor has it Acura will lower the claimed HP for the 2006 MDX. As some of you know SAE closed a few loopholes and they can no longer use special oils and disconnect all the accessories, i.e. no more "cheating".
Subaru apparently was not cheating as every engine makes the same or in some cases more HP than last year.
-juice
-juice
All 1700 of them??
My avg for life of the vehicle at over 1k miles is just above 15.
and I reset the other trip each time i get guess to see what mpg i get for that tank.
Granted I definately drive the B9 hard at times and do some heavy accel deep into the rpms but that is just driving style i'm used to and many times you need some short quick bursts of acceleration even around town.
I sure do hope that the mpg gets better though at 2k and beyond because with the tank being smaller I am having to fill it up what seems like more often then I did with my pathfinder which I'm assuming had equal or worse gas mileage but just a bigger tank.
It wa a last minute change and they are no longer using the B9 Tribeca as the platform. Not because they didn't want to or it wasn't good enough but for some other trivial reasons having to do with m aking a diesel model or something for europe.
If you haven't noticed I think of this as a good thing as the B9 will stay original and there wont be any Saab version for the Saab fan boys to say "yeah and its so much nicer looking then the Subaru version as it doesn't have that awful front end"
just to update, it seems there is much confusion on teh Saab 9-6x. It seems to be have been on again off again a lot. Either way this may clear most of it up for now
"Saab's 9-7x sport ute, built on the same platform as the chevrolet trailblazer, is set to go on sale this month. the body-on-frame mid-size 9-7x will be the only Saab SUV in showrooms for a couple of years until the swedish automaker's car-based unibody SUV, now dubbed the 9-5x, shows up in 2007. Some time back, word had it that the car-based sport ute would be called the 9-6x and would be based on Subaru's B9 Tribeca, but it seems the Japanese platform was dismissed because it would have required too many modifications to adapt a diesel engine necessary for Europe (the 9-7x will only be sold in the U.S.). Therefore, Saab will build the 9-5x on the GM Theta platform that underpins the Saturn Vue and Chevrolet Equinox and Pontiac's upcoming Torrent, due this fall.
"A four-cylinder turbo diesel engine will come from Italian maker VM Motori for use in the Saab, Opel, and Vauxhall versions of the SUV, although plans for importing the diesel to the States seem unlikely. Don't be surprised if the 9-5x is built in a Daewoo plant in Korea".
Craig
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=105934
juice: it also says the interior will be the same and the H6 will be the same.
iPods and Subarus deserve better :-)
-Karen in AZ-
A few impressions from the trip: I'm getting used to using the side mirrors a lot to compensate for the not-so-good rearward visibility, and that helps quite a bit. I find the fuel and temperature gauges hard to read in daytime, especially when I'm wearing sunglasses. And I agree with an earlier poster that steering effort is a bit light at highway speeds. But that's about it for the negatives. It's very pleasant to drive for long distances. I have yet to hear a squeak or rattle in 2000 miles. The air conditioning (it's 5 passenger Limited) is adequate to keep front and rear seat passengers comfortable, even with temperatures in the high 90s. The seats are very comfortable. The reclining rear seat was much appreciated by my father-in-law. We love the puddle lights -- don't buy one without 'em.
In the end I will still want the direct connection because there's full frequency response.
Robert B
Blue 5 Pass. Limited
NY
I remember back in F1 that Ayrton Senna would qualify with just enough fuel to get across the finish line and run out. To meet weight restrictions he would even drive over gravel to add weight to meet the minimum weight requirements.
More recently with turbo boost exceeding limits, though they figured out a way to fool the device that measures it to read a little low.
They're pretty sneaky. Not that most race teams aren't.
SAE caught them cheating, basically.
-juice
But yeah, after the diesel story we did hear reports that the Saabaru was back on track. They could change their minds again, but I believe SIA is preparing to build it.
There are pros and cons. Surely the Subaru one would be more costly to produce. If they use the Pontiac Torrent (Equinox/Vue) platform they could build it for the cost of a Forester. But I don't think Saab should be making cars that cheap, literally.
Mayberryguy - can you confirm that?
robotb9: you gotta share your driving tips, that mileage is great!
-juice
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=106481
"When will you publicly unveil the new 9-6X crossover based on the Subaru B9 Tribeca?
Not determined yet. Right now, we've made some requests from the folks helping us with the 9-6 about making sure we have the proper differentiation and the things that will make it uniquely Saab.
When is the earliest it could go on sale?
Probably spring of '06 — the earliest. Any later than spring puts you into the '07 model year."
Were they really cheating or just following rules that have been changed? How many other manufacturers did the same?
So far we have averaged 22.8 mpg since we got it. My wife drives it to work each day on a rural county road - about 28 miles round trip.
We just came back from a trip to visit my sister in Buffalo, NY and we got 23.4 on the way up and 23.1 on the way back. Mileage around town in Buffalo was about 20.5. This was with AC on most of the time and cruising around 70 mph.
The total milage each way was 340 with the portion of it near home here in WV/Western MD being rural and hilly/mountainous until hitting the PA turnpike at Somerset and from then on all interstate.
Thats my MPG report for now.
PS: I do tend to drive with a lighter foot now in order to keep the numbers looking better - much like when I was a kid and didn't have much gas money and had one of those vacuum gauges on my car that showed "poor mileage" when you were pulling the vacuum down. NOT a bad idea now with the price of gas what it is.
Isn't the 9-7 already based on a cheaper GM model that is inferior to Saab vehicles. I understand that the engine is a GM not Saab.
If that is true I feel sorry for those who shelled out big bucks thinking they are getting a real Saab only to find out that it is a GMC in drag.
I seriously doubt it was unintentional. Both engines in the Accord actually went up, though Honda claims it's new tuning and throttle-by-wire that explains the change.
Perhaps they lowered Honda numbers and raised Acura numbers to differentiate the two brands, even?
Though Ford's done worse, the Mustang went from 225 hp to 205hp. Some Cobras had to be recalled, even. Mazda has also had trouble before with the Miata in '00 and the RX-8 more recently.
-juice
-juice
Actually, the 2005 WRX got that 9-2x interior. It's just that the Saab came out a little earlier and it took all the credit.
But look back even further, and the interior really debuted in the 2003 Forester!
(craig beat me to it)
-juice
Craig
It was just strange. GM limits what Subaru can do when they sell mere clones.
-juice
What's really embarrassing are the crash test results.
mistermark, "Saab 9-7X" #272, 26 Jul 2005 1:54 pm
Steve, Host
robotb9: I felt the same way. The feedback helps you drive more smoothly and economically, if you choose to at least.
-juice
I'm very pleased with the economy, which is really pretty good when I drive at more human speeds.
And of course the drive was about 200 times nicer than in my Outback, or the new Forester. The B9 is a true road car, quietly swallowing the miles.
Robert B
Blue B9 5 Pass.
NY
Craig