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Subaru B9 Tribeca (B9X)

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  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    It is often more if you fill up at the marina, but not if you are filling it up on a trailer at your neighborhood gas-n-go.... ;)
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    Hahahahaha.... beat me to it. :blush:
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Also on older 2-stroke outboards you need to mix oil with the gas as there is no oil in the engines themselves and the fuel brings the lubricant to the engine. The newer 2-strokes have an oil resivoir that pumps oil into the gas mixture as it goes into the engine.

    In the inboards and inboard/outboards they are 4-stroke engines so they take straight fuel.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Saw that, but I think the plan is to have RWD mostly phased out 10 years from now.

    I think Lutz is just whining a bit for some sympathy while the law makers decide what the new targets should be.

    Remember the CARB electric car mandates? Wasn't every manufacturer supposed to be selling 2% of its fleet in pure electric format? Never happened.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    Yeah, he had an twin-engine International marine V8 inboard cabin cruiser, which was always in the water. So he got his gas at a marina. He kept it at a marina in Port Washington, on Long Island Sound—not exactly a cheap area for gas or anything else, for that matter.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    AWD may be even harder.

    I'm firmly in the AWD camp, but I found this ad from 1982, check it out, they actually boast about FWD traction being standard and tease the johnny-come-latelys.

    I didn't recall Subaru taking this angle in the past.

    If they ever do go back to FWD, they could point to this heritage ad.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You know what's even funnier than that? I saw that ad in PENTHOUSE! Seriously one of the guys brought their old collection down to the shop and I was reading the articles and low and behold, there is a Subaru ad in there! I was quite suprised!

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I was reading the articles

    Sure, mike! That's what they all say! :D
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Wasn't Subaru the first Japanese manufacturer to bring FWD passenger cars to the US?

    Nice ad, but wordy! Subarus always need a big explanation to accompany them. :) Nice MPG in that ad.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yes.

    Keep in mind that was unadjusted MPG, I think the EPA numbers went down 11-22% depending upon the cycle.

    They will go down again for MY2008, but this time the EPA is revising the test rather than simply reducing the number by a certain percentage.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    If they ever do go back to FWD, they could point to this heritage ad.

    But but but what about the DNA??? :)

    All you Subanistas harp about AWD and now you just might accept FWD if they point to the heritage??

    Running and Ducking.

    Oh and they were a little late to the party - GM was selling FWD in the US in the mid 60's.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    Subaru was the first to do mass-production FWD in Japan with the "1000" model in '65 or'66 (Subaru website has conflicting dates), so they were right there with GM, development-wise. Not sure what year that Subaru model was first exported to the US.

    FWIW, I'd only consider a very small FWD Subaru, like the R1 or R2. I'd still prefer to buy one in AWD, however. I can see them offering it as an option on the minicars, though, as they do in Japan.
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    Does anyone remember the early Saab's from the '50's and '60s? I believe all Saab has ever made is FWD and they have stated that somewhere in their ad history.

    Also Citroen and Peugeot come into play somewhere along the line in FWD.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I believe that Subaru was the First JAPANESE company to offer FWD in the US.

    Which would allow for GM's FWD Oldsmobiles and Caddys and Saab's FWD cars as well.

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,724
    Well, if you're talking about "early FWD," it tough to top the Cord.

    http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z7428/Cord_L-29%20Phaeton/default.aspx

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm among those that have defended AWD as part of their DNA, so that was a tough pill to swallow. :sick:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Actually Subaru didn't have AWD until about 1985 or 1986 and if someone can guess the first Subaru with AWD I'll give them a special prize!

    -mike
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    Was it the GL? I had a friend in college with an 83/84 GL with AWD.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Nope the GL never had AWD, 4WD yes, but not AWD.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Was it the Subaru XT? :confuse:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Nope the XT was also 4WD or FWD but not AWD, getting warmer.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    1990 Legacy?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Nope, but the Legacy did have AWD.

    Back a bit further than the Legacy though.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm talking to mike, here, so it's gotta be the SVX, then. I just thought that came a lot later.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Not the SVX although that was AWD.

    Here is another hint... I have never owned one....

    -mike
  • hypnosis44hypnosis44 Posts: 483
    Ah yes, the Beautiful Cord!! There are a couple of "replica's" in the area, but I believe they are on (Blasphemy!) rear wheel drive platforms. It's something like having a "velvet art" Monet.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,395
    I'll guess the RX...

    15 Leaf / 08 RDX

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ding Ding Ding. The RX was the first AWD Subaru. It also had a center locking differential and a rear mechanical LSD.

    The XT6 followed up with AWD and the MT version also had a locking center diffy as well.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I lose because my next guess was the Justy! :D
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,677
    Justy was 4wd also... at least those that my grandmother had were. She had an old yellow one (not even sure if it was called a Justy then) that was FWD only. My dad wrecked that one in 1984, so she replaced it with a red one ('84 model) (still not sure if it was called a Justy) that had 4wd. Then another red one in 1988 (that one was called Justy). Finally, a silver one in 1991 - again, with 4wd. After that she purchased a... '96? Impreza sedan (AWD, of course!), which turned out to be her last car.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
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