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Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • ab348ab348 Member Posts: 18,979
    I love that '64 Galaxie too, except for the wheels and the stance, which looks odd. And those 427 badges need to go. They look good in silver. Local guy has restored a '64 Galaxie convertible with a red interior and had it painted in a modern-day silver, looks tremendous.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    The '64 Galaxie should sell in the $20,000 range somewhere.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,464
    I don't know if it had much less content inside, but the engine is a lower spec

    I may be thinking of the ponton 219, which I think was a decontented 220. Yes, I am old enough to remember back that far.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    I see the 219 as a deluxe lowline ponton - 4cyl body and interior with 6cyl nose and engine. This was kind of repeated with the W110 230 fintail, which was a 6cyl engine in a 4cyl body.

    I want to say the W124 260E had some lower trim spec, maybe sunroof was made optional - maybe similar on a 300E 2.6.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,669
    On the comparison for '88 300E vs. 260E (MSNAuto web site) only differences they listed were engine, no tilt wheel, and price (something like $44k vs $39k). But I imagine there must have been a few more things...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    So the seller texted me a few pics last night. I'm definitely no longer interested. So much for rust-free Cali cars. That thing has terminal cancer, IMHO. More than the cost of the car in bodywork, in other words.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    And we call car dealers "treacherous"---harumpf!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    That's horrible and sick (yet funny) that they put the dog leash on the bumper. Poor little fella probably kept up with 'em for a mile or so...
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,817
    edited April 2013
    "Do you know what the penalty for animal cruelty is in this state?"

    A guy on a Panther forum I frequent built one. It came out really nice.

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  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,747
    So hilarious! Unfortunately, it has "dash plague," which I hear is increasing in prevalence, so I recommend staying away.... FAR away.
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  • au1994au1994 Member Posts: 3,343
    You think you hate it now, wait till you drive it!

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    edited April 2013
    The response to Clark not knowing is classic, too:

    "No sir, I don't"

    (cop): "Well, it's probably pretty stiff."

    Nice truckster, I wonder where the crowns came from.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    That "plague" makes me think the auction car is a tribute rather than a movie car - but the details are good. I wonder what it will bring. 30 year old movie, but many people will still get the joke.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,817
    edited April 2013
    I think he had them cut on a CNC machine. IIRC the hubcaps were from a 70s Caddy and he put the crowns on.

    According to the guy that built the one in the picture all the original Trucksters from the movie are gone.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    I can believe that. One of those movies nobody imagined would have such a cult. Nobody cared then.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    I kind of like this. Looks like an honest survivor. Can't say I'm a fan of the color combo, though. I'd want to redo the seats and not in that original material/pattern, and it would be damned difficult to change with that color.

    Damned cool vehicle. But not a project I'm willing to take on.

    Hmmmm... I can kind of forgive the paint, but you gotta loose the hubcaps, fake sidepipes, steering wheel cover, and the pinstriping.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    61 Lark -- might make a nice rod! Seems like a lot of scuffing here and there for 22,000 original miles. Should sell around $4,500.

    61 Willys Wagon -- might be a good candidate for a retro-rod---redo the body, paint it, and install a GMC V-6. Or if you can pick it up for around $3,500 or so, just drive it around.

    54 Ford -- looks like kind of a "driver quality" rod---on a budget--would be nice to see what's going on underneath. Hang-down gauges and modern stereo are tacky.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    edited April 2013
    I have a saved search currently active in ebay, so I'm getting a long list each day. Here are today's interesting ones.

    Interesting.... ummm... perspective. It only needs paint and a radio? Yeah, don't worry about the horrid interior. Its all original? Oh, except for the engine... minor detail. "will blow the door's off, any HenyJ's or Willys AreoAces." Hey, thanks for the everyman comparison; now I know exactly how quick it is.

    I'm sorry, you did WHAT to the engine for $8k?!

    I could tolerate being this different for $1.

    After seeing the closeups, I know why the first shot was taken from space.

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    The Jag is also a "V6", must be a special conversion term. Still, that car might almost be worth it, if it isn't just a painted over heap. Looks OK.

    People are crazy. The Lincoln photographed from a second floor window a block away is hilarious. And for the Willys and the rest - why don't peeple even try to clean their cars?
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    54 Hudson Jet---kind of a nothing car but, on the other hand, sort of interesting in its own bizarre way. You'll certainly be the only one at the local Show 'n Shine and that's worth something. Engine swap in cool, shabby interior is not cool. I'm guessing this is a #4+ car/#3-, with lots of incorrect things about it, so I'd put the value at around $3500 to $5000. Something Norman Bates might drive.

    61 Jag 3.8 -- looks like a tarted up rat--I wouldn't go near this car. If the body were sound, I would tear it completely part and start all over, and lose at least 1/2 my money.

    70 Subaru 360 -- this was voted one of the worst cars ever made, and really, I'd *love* to have it. Very cool. I have no idea what it is worth, but I don't think it's going to bring "micro-car silly money" because it's not quite the same thing as a Messerschmidt or a Fiat 500. Market says around $5500 tops. Yes, yes, I know it's restored and you're in it $25K.

    62 Lincoln -- parts car or an insane person's project as therapy. $2000 if one feels generous.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    edited April 2013
    I like the outside of the Hudson quite a bit. I wouldn't paint it. But the interior is too far gone, I think, and good luck finding parts for it. If the interior were at least as good as the exterior, it would be haunting me. As is, I can't see getting into it.

    The Jag just confuses me. Could he possible have spent $8k on rebuilding the engine alone? That seems crazy to me. I don't think I've heard of an engine rebuild on a 6-cyl being that much.

    I have to stop looking at Ebay because I know something is going to come up that I'll just have to have. As it is, I've already talked the wife into celebrating my 40th by going to Fall Carlisle and MAYBE something could follow us home from there. So I have until then to save up as much as I can. What I would want? I have no idea. It would have a backseat and probably nothing built after '65, for the most part, unless its an oddball. Something like a Hudson or Studebaker would be cool but, again, hard to find parts for, I'm sure. Or one of the smaller big-name domestics like a falcon/meteor/comet/nova/dart. And probably a $5k cap. Rust is a no-no. The other thought is a rat or resto rod. Simple, tasteful, and inexpensive.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Rebuilds on a Porsche 911 are $15,000, so no problem spending $8K on a twin cam Jag engine.
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 57,072
    That's an interesting price point. Might be tough to find something initially, but it might yield something cheap and cheerful. And for that money, no big harm done if interest is lost.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    So what makes it more expensive to rebuild a jag v6 than, say, but a whole new crate v8? are the cost of parts so incredibly expensive?

    If we're talking about a relatively invaluable car and someone approached me with an estimate like that, originality goes right out the window and we say hello to a 5.7 liter Jag. ;)

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well a 3.8 Mk II can be worth some fairly serious money, especially with overdrive and wire wheels--it could easily bust $40,000.

    I doubt a V-8 would even fit in there without serious chopping and of course it would destroy the value of the car. What some people do as a mod is install a 5-speed transmission.

    Expertise costs money and there are a lot of pieces in that engine. It's much more complex than an old V8 might be.
  • bhill2bhill2 Member Posts: 2,464
    What some people do as a mod is install a 5-speed transmission.

    I don't understand why someone would do that mod. I owned a car with overdrive, and i wouldn't have converted it even for free. Is the overdrive unit unreliable and owners do the conversion when it goes out?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    yes, something like that. The Jag overdrive is electric/hydraulic, and when it goes out, it is very tricky to repair. The 5 speed gives better ratios, is of course pretty bullet-proof and it can take higher HP if someone wants to juice that 3.8 engine, or better yet, replace it with a 4.2 E-type engine. (another common mod).

    I've seen these cars sell at $65,000 in the day. Most are modified with the 4.2, a 5 speed or at least an overdrive (they were not standard), wire wheels, upgraded electrics (naturally) and better cooling system.

    These are very tough vehicles to restore, so one must start off with "good bones" structurally, or you could have a nightmare on your hands.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,382
    If you want the Hudson checked out, my son is in Ithaca. I can send him right over. He works for beer.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    Thanks for the offer, but no. I'm not ready yet, and I don't think that is THE car anyway. I'm not willing to completely strip and attempt to replace the interior on such a rare car. It would probably cost more than the car is worth.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    Is this guy missing a zero?

    Hell, i might just buy it at that price and use it for track days.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    That does sound cheap. And heck, at that price, if someone wants to buy it minus the engine and trans, I'll take 'em and put them in one of my New Yorkers! :P
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 50,382
    that is awfully cheap for a ready to go set of wheels. Buy it and drive around the neighborhood. Wonder if you could scam the DMV out of a set of plates?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    Wonder if you could scam the DMV out of a set of plates?

    Why not? Looks like a 197X Cordoba/Charger SE/Magnum to me! ;)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    edited April 2013
    This is very much what I'm looking for. Someone that went overboard on a 6-cyl car. What could possibly be top dollar on this? $4500? Too bad about the drab colors. And I have to wonder what exactly they thought they'd get out of the car with headers and dual exhaust. Should have used all that money on go-fast parts and bought a junkyard v8 to swap in.

    Interesting. Probably not how I would market it because you've shaved your customer base to about .001%, though.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,669
    That 'hot rod' 170 cid Falcon is a hoot. As Shifty often says, an engine like a long tube. Fiddling with just a part of it (dual headers) won't do much without fixing up everything else. While Clifford has lots of parts, just doing the headers can't be much help. Now put a 250 in there with bigger head/intake/carb/cam/etc., that would be a fun car!
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    I wonder what the most hp is you can get out of one of those 250 6-cyl engines? In stock form, I don't think the 250 ever had more than 98 hp net. But, that doesn't necessarily make it a weakling. Just means that it was usually tuned for economy, and the emissions controls of the era probably made things even worse.

    I'm sure even a relatively mild 250 in that lightweight Falcon could be pretty fun.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    yeah $4K-$5K...it looks "okay" but it's certainly not pristine....probably grade it a #3 car. I see chipped dashboard, a "meh" paintjob and wonky door panels--who knows about undernearth? Looks like all the money went into the engine bay, such as it is.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,669
    Just took a look - not too many parts for the 170/200/250 Ford because the intake manifold was cast with the head. So it's just a carb adapter for a 2v (not sure how much that would help), headers, and a hotter cam. All together it must be worth something...
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    I gotta say, if it wasn't for the color, I could really really be interested in that car. Its just so damned bland as it sits. I can't get excited about it.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 15,817
    Its a shame the color is kind of blah, the car is in decent shape to have a little fun with.

    What would your plan be? Mild 302/4bbl?

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Like tjc says, get that anemic wood stove of an engine outta there, put in a 302, paint the car at Miracle Auto body, and you have a nice $10K street rod.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 16,747
    Hahahaha; look how much driveway you can see under that engine! Seriously, that's just hilarious.
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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 10,669
    Odd, looks like that hi-po Mallory distributor doesn't have vacuum advance. THAT will make it faster, for sure!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    Oh, no. No plan. Just drive it as is. I've had that engine before and found it torquey enough, personally. Although it was a '78 version ... no idea if that made it better or worse. But it was also saddled with an automatic.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    Its a shame the color is kind of blah, the car is in decent shape to have a little fun with.

    I could have tolerated that color at one time, but at this point I've had too many cars in similar tones, that I'm done with it.

    Lessee, I've had a 1969 Dart GT, which was close to that color, a '79 Newport, and my '79 5th Ave isn't *that* far off. And even my '67 Catalina, which has a bit more yellow and less beige in it, isn't too many shades away, IMO.

    It does seem like a nice car, otherwise though. FWIW, the 170 put out 101 hp gross in 1965 in stock form, which is probably around 70-80 hp in today's net ratings. So, I dunno what they did to spruce it up. My guess is that stock, 0-60 would've come up in around 17-18 seconds.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863
    I don't think my Zephyr was quite that slow, but I could be wrong. It had a ridiculously tall first gear ... I seem to remember it would go all the way to 60. This was back in high school, but if I had to guess from memory, I would have said it was more like 12 secs. But who knows? I did come from a '79 CJ7 with I6 and 3-spd ... so anything was quicker in comparison.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,863

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Though it's not for sale, there's a sudden project car on a street in my neighborhood. A previously straight olive green 1974 Plymouth Valiant sedan was sideswiped by some knucklehead when it was parked. It's a shame becasue the guy kept the car so nice for so long.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 25,638
    I seem to recall Consumer Reports testing a Fairmont with the 200 6-cyl, which had something like 88 hp, and I think they got 0-60 in about 15 seconds, which I think was about the same as something like a Cutlass, LeMans, or Regal with a 231 V-6. But, that was Consumer Reports, and they tended to be pretty conservative in their 0-60 times. MT, C&D, etc would probably have gotten a much better time.

    They also tested a 4-cyl Fairmont, and IIRC, it wasn't much slower than the 6.

    Also, back then, quality control varied so widely, and emissions and carburetors could be so finicky, and that could throw off performance from two supposedly identical cars. And even the time of year and weather conditions could have an impact. Hot, humid days would often slow the cars down.
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