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Volkswagen Passat 2006+

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    I find your thoughts and arguments if that is an appropriate term to typically be persuasive, but "not jus' cause you said so."

    Stating your opinions with the disclaimers many use here is indeed very valuable. As I have said, far more valuable than data points published by CR.

    You and I may disagree about AWD, RWD and FWD for all time. Yet, by reading, considering and in some cases vetting what is written here (not just by you), I have learned important facts and developed points of view that I would almost certainly not have learned and developed otherwise.

    Taking the high road, when possible (and it usually is), is the best choice.

    Considering the search capabilities herein it sometimes (not often, but sometimes) blows my mind that people will post asking about regular vs premium, oil specs, tire inflation and extended warranties. One would think these topics have been literally exhausted.

    Yet we continue to see some of the same issues broached that we had just elaborated on two weeks ago go unresearched and the question posted again.

    And, you know what, Shipo? Most of us just keep on participating without much if any sense of exasperation.

    I don't want to make you think I will not debate you further, but I did want to give you a sense that at least I do appreciate and value your input.

    BTW, Passats are breathtakingly expensive to repair and maintain out of warranty. Passats are generally less costly to fuel if the fuel that is used is Premium. And the VW spec oil and filters are not a nice idea, they are mandatory.

    Oh yea -- AWD rules. :surprise:
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    > BTW, Passats are breathtakingly expensive to repair and maintain out of warranty.

    Yeah, if you insist on taking it to the dealer everytime. I live on the East Coast, and I go to a couple of private VW specialists (Both VW master mechanics) who will repair and maintain them (using the same techniques, diagnostics, etc. as the dealer) for siginificantly less than what the dealer charges.

    Many drivers make the mistake of continuing to take their cars to the dealership long after the warranty has expired (save for oil changes, TSB, and recalls)...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    And here is where the British (I think) have coined a phrase that fits quite nicely, "The loyal opposition."

    Regarding the arguments surrounding which driven wheels is the best for which driving environments, I have not doubt that you and I (and many others) will go many enjoyable rounds for quite some time into the future. ;-) That having been said, relative to the myriad of other automotive related topics, you and I seem to agree on more than we disagree, and yet, AND YET, in spite of all of the supporting science, anecdotal evidence and basic logic supporting our views (errr, opinions), there will be many folks who will very definitely see things differently. Are we correct? Probably in most cases. The good news is that you and I both seem to view that "Probably" part of the statement as a reason to read and consider prior to arguing a point.

    So:
    Low compression = Regular gas
    High compression (Passat 3.6) = Premium gas
    Low compression/Turbo (early 1990s Chrysler Turbo) = Premium gas (unless easy steady state driving)
    Medium compression/Turbo (late 1990s Audi 1.8T) = Premium gas (unless very easy steady state driving)
    High compression/Turbo (Passat 2.0T) = Premium gas

    Oh! RWD is da bomb! :shades:

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • georgekgeorgek Posts: 50
    Just to muddy the water a bit: my wife's 2001 Volvo 215 hp, 5 cylinder turbo specifies 87 octane. Her dealer recommends 89, which is what she uses.

    I'm buying a 2006 SAAB 9-5 "High Output Turbo" (2.3l, 260hp 258pft)SAAB specifies "87 or higher", recommends 92-93 for best performance.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Just to muddy the water a bit: my wife's 2001 Volvo 215 hp, 5 cylinder turbo specifies 87 octane. Her dealer recommends 89, which is what she uses."

    Near as I can tell, the engine in your wife's car has a 9.0:1 compression ratio meaning that it should run quite well on Regular (in a lightly boosted mode), however, my bet is that for optimum power, Premium is required. This is one of those engines that is of a split personality regarding fuel as it will most likely deliver its best mileage on 87 or 89 while being able to deliver its best power on Premium fuels.

    As for the blown mill in the new 9-5, it too has a relatively moderate mechanical compression (9.3:1) and as such, Saab's "87 or higher" recommendation is probably just fine. As for the whole "Best Performance" thing, I'm not aware of even a single blown engine built since the 1920s that would deliver "Best Performance" on anything other than Premium gasoline.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • georgekgeorgek Posts: 50
    I've always used premium in my 1.8T and will do the same with the SAAB. MPG and power both are higher with premium.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    The Audi 1.8T mill as well as the Saab 2.3T run with a 9.3:1 mechanical compression ratio (as opposed to the 10.5:1 of the new Audi 2.0T setup), and as such without a double blind back to back test, I'd only lay 50-50 odds that those two engines will get better mileage on Premium as opposed to Midgrade.

    Said another way, 9.3:1 is a moderately high compression ratio and as such would probably have a natural mileage sweet spot with Midgrade fuel were it not for the engine electronics and the blower. Assuming that there is even a little boost from the blower at higher highway speeds coupled with the electronics being able to advance the ignition timing and I'd have no problem believing the "Better mileage with Premium" argument, however, if you happen to drive at a low boost steady state speed of 55 or lower, you might could well find that the Midgrade delivers the better economy. Of course, we are probably talking a single MPG either way, and when the whole peak power argument is brought into play, then Premium is the only real option for gasoline. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • 150mphclub150mphclub Posts: 317
    the AKI is calculated at sea level. in mountain states altitude, 85 is equivalant to 87 at sea level.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "the AKI is calculated at sea level. in mountain states altitude, 85 is equivalant to 87 at sea level."

    That is only true when you are driving a normally aspirated engine. It isn't even remotely true when you're driving a car with a turbocharger, ask me how I know. :-(

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Posts: 647
    I thought the term "blower" referred to superchargers, not turbos.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    A breathed on engine has a blower regardless of how said blower is motivated. True the term is probably used more often in drag racing circles, however, I've seen "blower" used to refer to "Turbosuperchargers" (as turbos used to be called) as far back as the 1920s.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    > I thought the term "blower" referred to superchargers, not turbos.

    "Forced induction" would be a better term to describe both...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    ""Forced induction" would be a better term to describe both..."

    Where do I submit my Literary License Application so that I can be approved to use the following terms to refer to a turbocharger:

    Blower
    Turbosupercharger
    Air pump
    Pressure maker
    Atmosphere densifier
    Altitude reducer

    While I'm at it, I'd also like to apply for permission to use the following terms to refer to a turbocharged engine:

    Breathed on
    Blown
    Force fed
    Abnormally aspirated

    ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    As someone who is interested in the 2006/2007 Passat and Passat wagon, it would be good if this forum could move beyond the topic of oil and turbos and get some info on an all around view of what owners think about Passat features, performance, costs etc.

    Check out the RAVA4 2006 forum for a view of life beyond oil specs.

    Otherwise, I suggest the name of the forum be changed to "Endless Shipo". I think the forum hosts must be asleep most of the time maybe?

    Good luck!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    You would rather have me sit idly by while incorrect and potentially harmful information is being bandied about? Sorry, no can do. I am a former Passat driver and a potential future one as well and have a very acute interest in this car and its diminutive 2.0T engine (which also powers another car on my short list, the A3).

    Personally, I think discussions regarding such Passat/2.0T centric topics as proper oil and gasoline selection for a high compression turbocharged high specific output engine are far more germane to this topic than very sketchy comparisons to the Rav4. :P

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Posts: 647
    I'm not even remotely interested in the Rav4. Why should I check it out?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    What you need to do is make posts on the subject which interests you in order to engage others in a different line of conversation. Let's not make this personal.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Not for the RAV4 but for the mixed and handy inputs on a topic besides oil specs as an example of what useful forum is like. Not one person in a month here has posted much on handling, features, price, pitfalls etc.

    I guess Shipo married the bosses daughter since he seems to run the site.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Not personal at all. Trying to make a point that there is more to Passat that oil specs. Maybe there could be extra added forum on Passat oil problems.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is a subject that's drawing a lot of comments and we've changed our format lately to allow/encourage more granular discussions. Let's go here: Passat Oil Issues. I've moved some of the recent posts there.

    For those of you who have been having this conversation, should we add fuel and/or turbo to title?
  • carfan3carfan3 Posts: 27
    Hi there,

    As of today, I checked VW Website and build my Passat section, and there is no Option on Bluetooth. When i picked up my 3.6 Passat, the dealer told me that Bluetooth should be out sometime, but nobody knows when as VW has not mentioned anything. He said he will let me know.

    Can you please let me know where you got the info from? Thanks.
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Great move!
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,071
    Mfgr's Web sites are slow to be current, for reasons I know not.

    I do not know NOW if you can or can't get BT, but the VW website will be updated, oh, I'd say within 90 days of the actual event.

    Not to pick on VW, many of them seem to have a mystery schedule.

    If something is coming but not yet out, I would post the info with availability dates, were I VW.

    I am not, obviously, but I share the frustration, since Audi does the same stuff.
  • I can't belive Volkswagen decided not to offer their new Passat wagon in the United States without a manual transmission!!! I presently drive a 1999 Passat wagon with a manual transmission. Previously I had a 96 Golf. I love my Passat! I hate driving automatics! Volkswagen offers the new Passat wagon in countries outside the U.S. with a manual. I sent Volkswagen an angry email denouncing their foolish decision. Their reply was smug and unapologetic. I'm presently looking to replace my 7 year old Passat. Until VW reverses their decision on the U.S. version of the new Passat wagon, and improves their customer service this loyal Volkswagen fan won't be considering a new VW! Why is it that auto manufactures are soooooo bad at offering American consumers the same transmission choices that are given to consumers in other countries! :mad:
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    I think in VWs case it is because maybe 2% of oweners buy manual ( I am guessing). In Europe people are more into manual etc. The 6 speed tiptronic is so nice! Try it once.
  • feilofeilo Posts: 128
    No meaning to add fuel to the "fire" and posting as fellow Passat Variant owner, you are a minority within a minority - wagoneers (~10% of Passats - maybe) and stick shifters (~5% - I'll be generous. Marketing people just do not payt attention to such demographics. Blame the American consumers for demanding auto boxes! However I will echo jimd4's comment about the 6-speed Tip (auto) tranny - try it ...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    For those of us who like, prefer, want or need to drive a manual transmission, the Tiptronic (and all other transmissions that don't have a third pedal) is junk.

    Streetcarben, my younger brother just spent several months agonizing over what car to get for his growing family. Prior to a couple of months ago, he had a Jetta wagon with the 1.8T 5-Speed and refused to settle for anything that had less than three pedals under the dash. Then one day he stumbled upon an "Executive" W8 Passat Wagon with a 6-Speed manual with only 6,000 miles on it. He's now a happy man with two manual transmission equipped VW Wagons. ;-)

    Regarding VWs decision, I feel your pain. I was all set to replace my first (and so far only) Passat GLX 5-Speed with a new one when VW decided to just simply not produce a manual transmission that particular year (1999), even though they did in 1998 and did again in 2000. Go figure.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • feilofeilo Posts: 128
    While not a great fan of autoboxes in general, I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Not all autoboxes are created equal - I can't say that I have driven every auto-gearbox-equipped car ever, I have drive the 6-spd Tip for an extended period and I would say it is superior to your run-out-of-the-mill auto/slush box. I understand the DSG is also right up there and I am looking forward to trying that.

    shipo, obviously you have a far wider knowledge and experience on auto boxes than me to declare them all "junk" ... ;) Not all manual boxes are created equal either.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, I think I misstated my "opinion" regarding Automatic transmissions. What I intended to convey was that regardless of how good an Automatic transmission is, for someone who wants a manual, the basic goodness of any given Automatic is irrelevant. It could be the best Automatic in the world and dedicated stick drivers won't be the least bit interested.

    With that in mind, when someone like streetcarben says, "I hate driving automatics!" I believe him and would NEVER even think of suggesting he try one, even the best in the world. So, to me, and it seems him as well, for our needs/wants/desires, all Automatic transmissions are indeed "junk" as they are quite simply inferior (according to our personal measuring stick) to the true 3-Pedal Manual transmission.

    The flip side of all of this is that I can absolutely admire the engineering that has gone into devices like the DSG and even admit that cars with DSG like transmissions are faster around a race track. No doubt about it, from a technology point of view, they are far superior than manual gear boxes.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • asefasef Posts: 12
    Is the "DRL" indicator on the dashboard instrument panel supposed to be ALL THE TIME during the day (i.e. when your regular headlights are not on)?

    I swear this didn't used to be on, but now it's on all day.

    I always thought that any dashboard light indicated trouble, but my dealer tells my this "DRL" one is SUPPOSED to be on all the time.
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