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Volkswagen Passat 2006+

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  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    I have been custom ordering VWs for the past 8 years...no problem. All one has to do is ask. The new Vehicle Inventory Management System is built to do this with no effort at all. :)
  • vwguildvwguild Posts: 1,620
    Transmissions are now all Aisen...Best trannys in the world...
  • surjn98surjn98 Posts: 34
    Test drove a 2006 Passat 2.0 last week and liked it's handling and it's looks. Has a host of safety features. I've owned a Honda Accord, Toyota & Nissan and am not sure if I should go into buying a VW based on passed reliability. Although the transmission is made in Japan & it does come with a 4-yr roadside assistance.
    Would appreciate everyone's thoughts. Thanks!!
  • prigglypriggly Posts: 642
    The transmission coming out of Japan is not exactly a vote of confidence in German engineering, is it now? I guess VW has to do something to try to lift itself from near the bottom of the automotive reliability survey lists.
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,673
    Not sure, but has VW’s transmission played a negative role in their reliability ratings?

    I always thought the VW’s, generally speaking, had the odds and ends (or nickel and dime) items go out; other than the coil fiasco.
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    Well, as I've said before, I've never known their transmissions to be a problem for them. In fact, they've always been one of the "plusses" in their cars.

    VW reliability. Hmm. You need to understand one important thing concerning this and I'm surre most will agree. When you buy a VW, you are not buying a "normal" car. Sure, for German standards, it is a normal, everyday car. But compared to what we manufacture and what you get from Japan, it is very different. It is a certain feeling you get from driving one. They are engineered to feel sure-footed on the road. For years, you couldn't even get a center arm rest in them. The steering wheel was positioned in such a way that you didn't need one. It never felt right unless both hands were on the wheel. And in was comfortable like this. When they say a "driver's car," it means that this is a car that makes driving to work enjoyable each morning. There is a certain sound from their little 4-bangers that does not sound Japanese. The doors feel and sound different when you close them. You need to have one for a while to understand it. Can't be explained. I'm on my 3rd one. My 97 Jettea GLX was a wonderful car. The VR6 was the most wonderful engine around. Never a problem. My 02 Jetta wagon 1.8t had the coil problem. Oh man, what a problem. Taken care of though. My Passat wagon 1.8t has zero problems. So, just like any car, you have your lemons out there. The only problem VW has is VWoA. They are the enemy to be loathed. It all depends on who picks up the phone on any given day
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    Oh, I forgot to mention this: They have such a wonderful feeling, sound, and even smell that no matter what the ratings are, if you really like driving cars, it's worth it again and again. I don't even look at anything else when I'm buying.
  • I think some would take issue with the statement that people who buy automatics are less discriminating or can't or won't "stand up to their spouses" (whatever that implies, it doesn't sound even remotely plausible.)

    The number of vehicles that are offered with both autos and sticks is decreasing.

    This either is a supply or demand issue, and my bet would be demand (despite the fact that admitting this galls me.)

    If VW's Passat with the nifty high output 6 would come with a manual transmission, my guess is they would have a difficult time selling them -- which in turn leads to a reluctance to order them for "inventory."

    I mean when even Ohio's largest BMW dealer will not stock manual versions of the 3 and 5 series sedans, well, you have to at least suspect it is a "demand" issue.

    The W8 Passat sport version was HEAVILY discounted and it just sat on the dealer's lot despite a great 8, stick shift, some ground effects, glitzy wheels, etc.

    And, for the record, my wife claims that any man who drives an automatic is driving, "an old man's car."

    I love VW and Audi products for the most part -- in June when I picked up my new Audi A6 3.2, there was no Passat 3.6 with all the toys for sale -- it "coulda" been a contender, since I was being forced to go with an automatic (since the A6 only comes one way.) My previous car had a 6spd (an allroad) manual, but the pickin's for such a car are slim, slimmer, slimmest these days.

    Pardon me while I cry in my beer. :cry:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Errr, isn't it Aisin? http://www.aisin.com

    As for them being the "Best in the world"..., well I suppose the folks over at Getrag might could well have a few things to say about that comment. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,447
    Automatics are so pervasive that when my brother ordered a 530i from germany through military sales they delivered an automatic even though he ordered a manual. They probably figured it was going to the US so it must be an automatic. He actually accepted it since they did not charge him for the automatic. I would not have been able to do that. An automatic on a nice car is like putting ketchup on a nice steak - it completely changes it for the worse.

    Anybody know the EPA mileage on the 2.0t with the manual transmission?
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    I don't think the wife's going to let me get this one. :sick:
  • Keep waiting Dewey...According to VWoA, the 2006 Passat will NOT be available with a TDI engine. I'm so bent about this.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I ordered a 530i via the ED program a couple of years ago and when I went to pick the car up Ernst, my client advisor remarked that, "I ordered the car properly, Sport Package and Manual Transmission". I think that he was surprised that I actually ordered the stick. :-/

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, it seems that when it comes to what wives want, us guys need to take a page from the "Wifely Guide Book". By that I mean if you really want something that your spouse is dead set against, then you need to make her change her mind by getting her the believe that it's her idea for making the change and that that is what she really wanted all along. ;-)

    The trick to this technique (and what wifey type people are so good at) is figuring out what the critical ingredient is that will trigger the change in thinking. Good luck. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    "How To Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnege (did I spell that right?)Only problem is it takes you so far down below, if it were to backfire you'd really be up the creek. ;)
    I mean it didn't get me some guy's mint Corrado, and who on this earth could pass that one up? :confuse:
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Geez I loved the VR6 Corrado, that is except the mouse track shoulder belts. I was needing a car during the spring of 1993 and in the end it came down to either the Corrado or the MX6 (or the Probe GT, same basic car). The biggest automotive mistake I've made in my life was not getting the Corrado. :-(

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    And I thought I was the only one still crying in my beer.
  • OK, on every VW forum, posters are complaining about how difficult it is to get a manual on the Passat. Then the threads get bogged down going back and forth about the logistics of manuals vs. autos vs tip vs DSG....wive's who refuse to learn how to shift manually....Americans who buy auto transmissions in huge numbers (duh...like we didn't that already!).....etc...etc

    I want to cut all through that and get to the bottom line:

    VWguild and other VW insiders in the know..please answer the following as correct or not (as I believe I have seen it expressed in other forums) :

    It is not difficult to get the exact car you want, including a manual. You need to get in touch with the Internet sales specialist at your favorite dealer, establish a relationship, and they can custom order the car as you want it built, according to what is available. True or False?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Just for kicks I tried to configure a new Passat with a leather interior and the vw.com configurator informed me that I needed to opt for both the satellite radio option (ugh, if you say so) and the slushbox tiptronic transmission. What's up with that? Is it really true that VW is forcing an automatic on those of us who want a leather interior? Geez, I thought that they were being dumb by not offering three pedals under the dash for the VR6 mill, then this pops up. I'm thinking that the word "dumb" doesn't begin to describe the folks at VWoA.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Just for kicks I tried to configure a new Passat with a leather interior and the vw.com configurator informed me that I needed to opt for both the satellite radio option (ugh, if you say so) and the slushbox tiptronic transmission.

    DISASTER!! Dont they teach the following in Marketing 101:

    Customer is King! Give the customers what they want.

    Is there anybody in Wolfsburg that would like to take a marketing course??
  • rwatsonrwatson Posts: 88
    Jerry, I love the internet and the shopping and all. Unfortunately, down where I live they act like it's the devil and none of the dealers (Both of them are 100+ miles from me) have internet assistance. But, I do have their phone number and plan on making a call in the near future.
  • How much turbo lag is there when you stomp on the gas? 0.1 seconds, half a seconds, what?
  • ivan_99ivan_99 Posts: 1,673
    Depends at what rpm you’re at.

    If you have an automatic you can depress the gas with the brake (as the auto mags do) to get your revs up…this way when you let go of the brake you’re closer to your max power range.

    If you’re cruising along the highway you’re already in your meaty power band.

    The 2.0T makes its max torque around 1800rpm or so (Edmunds shows 4700, not sure what that’s about) and it’s a high compression engine (10.3 or so) especially for a turbo, so even before you’re at your max output, you’ve still got some power available.

    For example a Subaru WRX has an engine compression around 8.0; try running that (automatic) at high altitudes (Denver) and it’ll feel like the parking brake is on before the turbo kicks in.

    Most people say there is virtually no lag in the 2.0T, with some reporting it is minimal.

    I thought the “old” 1.8T didn’t have any lag…with the manual. This engine is supposed to be a significant improvement over the old one.

    So, to answer your question:
    How much turbo lag is there when you stomp on the gas? 0.1 seconds, half a seconds, what?

    Probably not much…
  • On the contrary. If you want a U.S. spec B6 in a manual right now, you won't get it! YOU CAN NOT GET A 2.0T MANUAL FROM ANY DEALER RIGHT NOW! A few Value Editions (No options allowed) may be trickling in soon. If you want a 2.0T manual (model code 3C25K2) with options, you have to wait 2-4 months. Buyers are supposed to have option 1 or 2 available on the K2. Yes the vw.com configurator is wrong along with the 7/22/05 price list.
  • Yes the people at VW have taken marketing courses 101 and otherwise, I would imagine AND they have taken econ 101, too; and, the people at VW of America or VW USA or VW North America or whatever the legal entity is called have too.

    Dealers buy the cars from VW that they have "reason to believe" they can sell most rapidly. Experience is or has been a good teacher one would imagine. My local BMW dealer will NOT inventory any manual transmission cars, because they "sit and sit and sit" on the lot waiting for a customer and then finally are discounted (which is a double whammy on the dealer since he had to "carry it" while it took up space on the lot or showroom floor.)

    We row your own types are dinosaurs.

    The lack of manual transmissions (assuming they are actually built for SOME market) is a function of the market -- OUR market [apparently] demands an insufficient quantity of manual transmission cars to make it economically viable. What else could it be?

    Now, why oh why VW would couple or bundle leather and auto trans is beyond me. But, without too much fear of contradiction, I'll bet it is good old economics 101 at work here too. People who buy leather will probably overwhelmingly buy automatics. If the reverse were true, it is my belief that VW is not in the business of NOT taking your money for the features and options you want.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    > We row your own types are dinosaurs.

    I guess all of you can call me Godzilla, then... :shades:
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I am among one of the endagered species who likes manuals and I am well aware of its sales limitations in this continent.

    VW marketing expertise does seem to be lacking in pricing, product availability and services. You want proof! Please refer to their sales data ! Not only in USA but in Europe and China. Inept marketing does seem to be the main reason for their sales decline.
  • kdm1957kdm1957 Posts: 1
    Saw a few 2.0T Passats (2006) the other day at a VW dealership in Maryland. Any ideas on how low you can negotiate the price on that total $27,440 list price (including $615.00 destination charge)? I'd expect the factory rebate to the dealer to be around 2% of the 23,900 base price and the true cost (to the dealer) of the packages/options would be roughly 50% of the suggested retail. True "ballpark" cost to the dealer would be roughly $25,500 (perhaps lower). Interested in any feedback on my analysis here (ordering a Consumer Reports detailed report, which I've done before, sometimes gets you to a more specific number; obtained one of those reports on a new VW in the past and it was very useful in the negotiation). Also interested in any thoughts on the VW extended warranties these days. I'm very wary of such packages.
  • arrosenarrosen Posts: 20
    It has been fairly easy for me to get a few dealers to offer $500 over dealer invoice. I haven't pushed, but a few may go even a bit lower than that. My gut tells me that if you wait a month or 2, you may be able to get an even better deal on the 2.0Ts (once the 3.6's come out)
  • Many folks have been referring to the configurator on vw.com as not providing any option packages with manual and that it true at this moment. But VW insiders are saying that that whole configurator is messed up and to ignore it. Apparently, it will be fixed when the 2.0t manuals start being shipped in a couple of months.

    But my questions remains...

    Once the 2.0t manual is "officially" available, whenever that may be...will the driving enthusiast be able to order one in the color and option package they want through the dealer internet specialist? Or perhaps with carsdirect.com?

    Or...will the reality be that dealer lots will have nothing but automatics available and it will be impossible to get a stick with the B6 in North America, no matter how you go about it?
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