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Anyone have any ideas as to who might? Perhaps the biggest volume dealer or the second highest volume Toyota dealer?
I'm all ears!
Mack
Mack
i know if you can sell a car off the truck, the holdback is all profit, but that's still not very much. they must make a lot on incentives from the manufacturer because of the volume.
plus i'm sure the service department is going like gang busters.
unless a salesman sells at least 40 cars a month, i can't see them making a living if everything they sell is at invoice.
They do a heck of a job in promoting their internet sales but in the end they have some monsters to beat away and I think this hold them down somewhat. Laurel Carmax does the same thing and they are bigger yet.
Your 40 cars per salesperson per month at invoice is Toyota's dream. They don't benefit one iota when vehicles are sold above invoice and the process often ticks off the buyer. They'd like every sale to be semi-direct via the internet like buying LLBean shirts out of a catalogue. And Yes if a salesperson could do 40 per month at a $100 mini plus bonuses and spiffs then he/she would be making $75000+ annually. There are several salespeople in the LA region that do 60+ per month year after year. That's a hat trick every working day ( 22 wd/mo ) !!
Thanks!
Jim
'08 manual: 28/37 (new ratings system)
'09 manual: 26/35 (also the new ratings system)
Since weight gain outstripped the power increase in the 1.8, my guess would be that they shortened the gearing a bit to keep straight-line performance the same, and of course the price you pay when you do that is fuel economy. :sick:
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
All the new technology engines from Toyota use timing chains. Presently the only timing belt engines are ...
..the Solara 3.3L ( departing in Sept )
..the hybrid Highlander 3.3L+HSD
..the Tundra 4.7L V8
Everything else has switched over already..
I'd still buy the manual!!!!
09 Corolla automatic: 27/35
I walked right past a 09 Corolla without noticing. From the outside its slightly rounder/wider, has the new grill, and of course a much higher price tag.
I went back a couple of days later and drove an xB 4A ($17,220). With low "Total Cost of Ownership", no haggle pricing, tons of room, tall seating, the well known 2.4L, many customization options, and $4000 cheaper than Corolla XLE its a no brainer.
Yeah, I'd like the better mileage of the 1.8L, but low TCO is low TCO, my 83 year old dad can easily get in and out, and all that room talk to me.
technically, yes. but barely.
2008 corolla le (auto) 2615 lbs, 126 hp
2009 corolla le (auto) 2745 lbs, 132 hp
weight increase of 4.97%, hp increase of 4.76%.
i think they did a nice job with fuel efficiency on the auto trans, but im disappointed with the manual losing pace with the 2008 numbers of 28/37.
i expect, as has always been the case, that people who know how to effectively use the manual will still get better mileage.
Not comfortable for long drives at all.
Mackabee
So, instead of no armrest at all, the solution would be a larger center console armrest like a normal car.
Mack
Mack
As of that evening, they had exactly ONE '08 still on the lot, a blue LE manual shift with a sticker of $16,5 that he told me before I even asked he would sell me for $14 including the rebate (I was just walking around it comparing its looks to the '09 parked next to it)
I am glad they have done away with the bubble roof for the '09, but apart from that I can't tell which model I like the looks of better. I don't think I like EITHER better, I think it's a tie. But that's partly just because they are so similar, I suppose.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Mack
The manufatur's gurantee is still intact even if you purchase a car from a different state, correct?
my local dealer offered me a deal with $600 above the invoice, is this a good deal?
thanks
For my Prius I could have gone to Mackabee's store and likely gotten it at invoice. I paid $450 over invoice at our store. It wasnt' a big deal one way or another. Fitzmall is a very very reputable company to buy from. The same is true for most large places. Very few owners are going to screw with the most valuable franchise in the automobile industry.
Mack
You may want to rethink that statement.
is low pressure sales important to you? it is to me.
is an excellent service department important? it is to me.
is having a loaner available important? it is to me.
is courtesy after the sale as important as before the sale? it is to me.
if i can find all the above in a dealer, i can care less about a few hundred dollars difference in the initial cost of my vehicle.
all it takes is one bad dealer experience after the sale to make the few hundred you saved, unimportant.
Car and Driver has a short-take review of the Corolla Standard with stability control. Their 0-60 with the 5M was 8.6 seconds, about a half second behind the previous generation. They said the vehicle's major drawback was the electric power steering, which offers no feel, but they were also disappointed at the 70-0 stop at 194 feet, (which seems in-line with other competing makes and models). It should also be noted that braking has as much to do with tire choice as anything else, and the Standard wears only 15-inch tires, whereas the S, XLE wear 16 (optional on LEs), and the XRS wears 17-inch tires.
Overall though, the review was fairly positive, and the reviewer states interior quality and fuel economy are both impressive.
Mack
Technically, $30K is over invoice. Is that a "good deal" on a Corolla?
I don't think so. He was responding to a poster who asked "my local dealer offered me a deal with $600 above the invoice, is this a good deal?"
And how are you supposed to operate the nav without voice comands?
Pull over and enter everything by hand? How inconvenient.
Steering wheel mounted audio controls, according to the Specs page of the brochure/website, are available on the XLE trim line as part of the optional JBL 440 watt, 8-speaker AM/FM 6-disc in-dash CD changer with MP3/WMA playback, XM satellite enablement, and Bluetooth hands-free connectivity. (In my region, most of the configurable packages for the XLE that do not have NAV do include this option).
IMO, it's lame that the JBL and NAV can't be combined, and downright dumb that if you get NAV on an XRS or S, you have steering wheel audio controls, but if you get NAV on an XLE you don't. (Personally, I'd rather have a good aftermarket NAV and get the JBL/Bluetooth instead, though XM NAV Traffic is appealing.)
Re: factory NAV, I don't think that touch-screen vs. voice command is a big deal, as long as the system works well (as in some voice command NAVs historically have sucked). That said, I don't know which kind the Corolla has.
A portable nav makes more sense with the Corolla
Maybe in three years, they will offer a proper nav with voice recognition and full bluetooth integration.
They also need to move the aux input and powerport from the dash to inside the console storage so you can use/charge a portable music device and keep it hidden at the same time.
XM radio needs to be factory installed on the JBL stereo too. It is ridiculous for them to expect you to spend an additonal $449 plus another $200 in installation fees (after getting the JBL upgrade) to install an add-on XM module with a hideous tacked-on unpainted black plastic antenna they install on the hood or trunk lid or else try to install inside on the windshield (where it gets marginal reception through the glass),
Both XM and bluetooth technology are very cheap at this point (if they are factory installed). It wouldn't surpise me if XM nearly gives away the XM hardware to GM and Hyundai to sell subscriptions.
They haven't thought alot of things through considering how long they delayed the introduction of this car,
As we said before this car has been out in other countries since 2006 so they figured they would dump it on the US without some of the features you get overseas. :confuse:
I agree with you. That was a very dumb move on Toyota's part.
:shades:
Maybe dealers will install it at a discount for $399 or so, but even that is very overpriced for just an XM module that plugs into the radio.
You can buy an XM radio kit for less than $30 at Wal-Mart.
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?cpncode=07-47469710-2&dest=9999999997&- - - - product_id=7934322&sourceid=1500000000000002994000&srccode=cii_16435691
Why should an XM module that simply plugs into the back of the factory stereo cost $449 just for the part?
In the base models adding the $300 receiver unit adds 2% to the price. Some ( probably most ) buyers of a base model don't want any do-dads in the vehicle. This has been a point of discussion over and over here. 4 doors, 4 wheels and a Toyota engine - no fluff. They are appealing to their major customer base.
Now those that want such items whether in a base model or a higher model can get them... as long as they pay for the extra. That's capitalism. Putting the $300 extra into a base unit where the customer a) doesn't want it; b) won't pay for it; c) will never use it is a waste of money.
Maybe a current or future owner has the JBL system.... mack, kdh - what about XM ready units of the JBL in the Camry, for ex. What is the real deal?