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Seems like a waste of money and space, when it is stated that it eats 6 cubic feet of trunk space.
It would seem that someone who goes for such an option would not be happy with a honda civic sized trunk (12 cubic feet)
BTW, here is a neat vid & review of the LS460.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/lexus-self-parking-car-video-and-review-196551.- - php
self parking requires a spot with 6.5 ft. more than the length of the car. A spot with this much space seems quite easy to park yourself. Perhaps its a matter of perception. Now a real trick would be those tight San Franscisco spots that often have less than 2ft.
http://www.carkeys.co.uk/news/2006/august/28/11161.asp
Do they mean 12cm longer than the base LS460 or is it 12cm longer than the LS460L?
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Oh, the joy of driving!
TagMan
I do respect your postings, but I am at a loss what the point of this is... Does it suggest that the most compelling reason for the LS460 is the self-park, while Euros are more focused on driving ?
Maybe you should read Motor Trend's first drive where they turned OFF the stability control and had such a blast driving the car. Or where they state that the new LS460 manages luxury, features, handling and performance quite nicely... And you should look for the new LS to retain its sales crown in the US quite easily ?
We are free to focus on whatever it is we want to. However, for what the new LS460/L brings to the table, its a formidable car for its competition. The demographics of these cars could not care for how fast it gets to 60, or how flat it corners... Its responsive handling, luxury and features, and the feeling of execution, ALL AT THE RIGHT PRICE. If Lexus can deliver these, they'd be very successful, and I don't see them screwing things up, or do you ?
By the way, the new LS styling is good that I think my wife WILL let me buy one of them. Hopefully, I can get one of those LS600h.
29.7/1.201 = 25 mpg combined. An improvement of 13% over LS 460. Not bad, since there is a huge increase in horsepower.
What I am curious about is the battery. Will it be Li or the old Ni-H+ ?
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/volume for conversion to US gallons
I think its bad enough getting broiled knees from a Li powered laptop. :P
How far does it go? Obviously, as far as the car driving itself!
I thought it was interesting.
I was not making a statement regarding the LS460's merits or lack thereof. If you want my opinions of the upcoming LS models, feel free to ask me and I will be glad to tell you directly, so you don't have to guess.
Anyway, like I said, I thought it was interesting to see a car drive itself.
TagMan
Refer to the linked LS460 review below:
The Silence of a Luxurious Tomb
Lexus wins again.... And this is with prospect of a super-secret super sedan also in the works ! Allow me to put a shameless plug for the HPX which rumors suggest should debut mid-2007. Yipeee ! That car-based truck should give the FX a run for its money. I'd really like to see the HPX here in the US.
Lexus if you make it, we'll buy it !!!!
For you, Gary, you should opt for the LWB which gives you the "Sport Package", otherwise called the "Grand Touring Package" - bigger brakes & pads, 19" wheels, and upgraded air suspension made stiffer. It would set you back probably around $75K (list) for those goodies, IMO, which will be additional to all the goodies you already had on the SWB. And pls take note: you can turn OFF the electronic stability nanny... goodie...
I just can't see wanting an even bigger car than the current LS. For my purposes, the back seat is as roomy as I need it. But you're right, I would like the features of the Sport/Grand Touring Package as you described it. Anyone know if we will be able to get those on SWB?
BTW, just came back from taking my daughter off to Emory. Parked between a new silver S550 and a previous model (S500)in the lot of the Ritz Carlton, and had the opportunity to compare them. I have to say, I definitely like the old model much more.
Unfortunately, as the current packaging stands, this option is NOT available for the SWB trim :mad: But, a consolation is that the MY 2008 releases will include AWD on the 460, and maybe Lexus will permit the sport trim by then as well...
That's what I thought. If I had to guess now, I would say my next car will be an '09 AWD SWB LS460, with Sport/Touring package if available. By that time my current LS will be 4 years old, and prices on the AWD SWB model should stabilize - at about $85K if Steve is right!
How about the fact that the Lexus Chief engineer Satoru Maruyamano says "the sound levels in the new car are about the same as before" . . .
So . . . it turns out that there isn't really any improvement in "quiet" according to Lexus' own chief engineer, but, as he explains, they have focused on changing the characteristics of some of the sounds, such as the ever-popular sound of the door when it closes.
Again, this is not to infer that the sound isn't respectfully quiet in the new LS, but all the hype has been that it is going to be some sort of super-quiet breakthrough . . . and in REALITY . . . the chief engineer himself says it is about the same as before.
Bottom line . . . no marked difference than before . . . at least according to Lexus, and not according to the tomb raider.
TagMan
So who exactly was "hyping" a super quiet LS460 ? Methinks this is much ado about nothing from some critics looking for something to complain/gloat about. A luxury car should be quiet, that goes without saying... so implying the LS460 is as quiet as the LS430 says nothing. Both are quiet. Which is quieter between an LS and its competitors ? That is what counts, not between two versions of LS's...
I think the comments been made here and those been made elsewhere needs to be taken together to form the balance of these opinions. Titling the post as "Tomb raider" within the LS forum is plainly ridiculous.... The S, 7 and even A8 are all super quiet, so why bash the LS for its level of quietness if not to find faults regardless ? This double-speak must end sometime, cos its reeks of bias...
But, I do know and have acknowledeged that the car does deserve credit for its quiet nature, regardless. I am not in any way attempting to cheat the vehicle of credit that it rightly derserves.
My contention is that any reports that infer it is much quieter than the previous model are contrary to Lexus' own chief engineer's statement . . . that's all.
As the dust settles, I'm looking for a "balanced" perspective on this new LS . . . and a balance beam needs two sides to function properly.
Hope that clarifies.
TagMan
oac - c,mon now . . . the reason is the same as to focus on ALL attributes of the '07 LS. . . we are dealing with a NEW model here, and it will be compared to its predecessor as well as the competition . . . that is only natural.
TM
Well then compare it to the competition and give those features equal coverage in the comparisons. Is the S550 quiet ? Is the 750i quiet ? These are NEW models too... Why not spend as much time on these cars as well ? There are far more great things about this new LS460 than just being quiet ? Surely....
And just in case you'd like MORE features in this new model, here are a series of videos to watch...
http://www.nihoncarandbike.com/news-330-.html
Since you don't visit the HELM forum, where we CAN compare and discuss the LS as it contrasts to these other vehicles, what do you expect? According to one of the HOST's recent posts, that is the best place to do that, not here.
I recently posted that there are more important features than a "tomb with 19 speakers and self-parking" on the HELM forum, but how would you know?
There are far more great things about this new LS460 than just being quiet ?
True, and that's why I didn't write the "tomb" article or post the reference to it above in number 2521.
TagMan
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I should mention here, however, that the BIGGER picture regarding "quietness" is reserved for the LS600hL, which DOES have claims by Toyota/Lexus to be amazingly quiet, possibly beyond anything else out there to date.
Again, this is why I have posted (on the HELM forum) that the LS600hL is the only LS to truly spark my interest. It will be an exclusive vehicle that will set some new standards, IMO.
The LS600hL is not to be confused with the standard LS460, by any means. The LS600hL will be a different (and superior) animal!
TagMan
kirstie - thanks for the support!
TM
Oh, I do read posts on HELM, I just don't post there. BTW, the "tomb" post is the second in the last day or so... One from Dewey and another from you, so what gives ?
I recently posted that there are more important features than a "tomb with 19 speakers and self-parking" on the HELM forum, but how would you know?
Oh Yes, I do know... but you are yet to post those "more important features" about the new LS460 anywhere to my knowledge... So far, its been all focused on those things perceived negative... altho' I cannot imagine a "quiet" car being a negative thing... :confuse:
In fact, I clearly neutralized the "grabby" brakes issue that sparked yesterday, which you should have also noticed.
If you want to discuss these things however, THAT is the place to do so . . . and your HOST agrees. I think you could easily enough put down your pride a little, and join me over there sometime. I would like that, and you would be most welcomed, as would be Len.
TagMan
And as for level of quiet, that has been an LS standard since day 1. The New LS 460 seems to maintain the same level of quiet as the LS 430, which was already the best on the road. The level of refinement in soundproofing has been honed to such a level that it's no longer newsworthy to mention--it's best in class. That the LS 600h L, a hybrid, adds to that is worth mentioning because evidently you need to go electric to improve the quiet level even further.
I must say a better description I've heard of the LS quiet is bank or vault-like quiet. Even better, concert hall or recording studio quiet--in a world where the noise level is ever-increasing (I read a few years ago now the average is less than 2 minutes of uninterrupted time), the LS is very relaxing indeed.
Now what's to prevent Lexus engineers from adding the same sound-deadening improvements into the LS 460?
The accurate information is here AS FOLLOWS:
The Lexus Hybrid Drive offers inherent noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) ADVANTAGES (not increases) over the ICE counterparts . . . and this is where the vehicle will achieve its higher level of "quiet" when compared to the LS460.
In fact, it is so quiet, that the LS600hL required extensive re-engineering of accessory motors and switches, and that is where the re-engineering comes in that I was referring to earlier. That's the interesting part, IMO.
Lexus is suggesting that the LS600hL may be the quietest automobile EVER built.
Sorry for the confusion, but this information I have just posted is correct.
TagMan