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Buick Lucerne



  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Dealers order their own cars for their maximum profit for their market. At the start of production of a new model that is showing hot sales they will order more loaded vehicles that give more profit.

    In looking at a "base" CXL it is very nicely equipped. The options I would add are the XM/HK stereo system and the heated seats/power passenger seat/memory package which would add about $1400. About $29,400 total
  • sls002sls002 Posts: 2,788
    The CXL V8 with no options is about $30,000, well $10 less. However, I think at minimum, one would expect the luxury package. A sunroof will add more...

    So, a V8 will probably run about $32,000 to $35,000 for the CXL model. Most dealers will order them with the options that will make the cars sell. If you want one for under $30,000, the V6 will probably be the best choice, although one could order. I would think that a dealer would take about $30,000 for a CXL that is not loaded with too many options.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I agree. Are the Mercedes and BMW's produced in the U.S. considered American? A foreign company remains a foreign company no matter where they produce.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I remember the Volvo debockle with the reinforcement. I believe it was on Dateline TV. They had a commercial showing a monster truck driving over a Volvo and the roof showed little crush damage. After an investigation it was determined that yes the roof pillars were reinforced for this commercial. I believe they absorbed a good sized fine for this deception.

    Volvo markets their cars as the safest in the world but I have read crash tests that showed many other cars far as well. Their 40 model, whatever they call it, performed poorly in last years crash test and will likely be discontinued because of lack of sales.

    Mercedes is still recognized world wide as the leader in safety/crash worthiness, and Mercedes doesn't market their cars for this.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: US 25 & US 40Posts: 19,785
    The image they pushed into people's minds from the years of advertising that their cars were safer still lingers in most people's minds. It's the same as those who bought a bad car in the 80s and still complain because their XYZmobile did this or didn't do that. It's the same as the Accord getting less mileage than my V6 3300 Century in 1989 advertising how they drive past gas pumps because of their great gas mileage--lingering attitudes from their 4 cylinder, manual transmission days.

    People respond to advertising. Ford has even made their Fusion group of three cars look Volvo like to make that connection with the Ford Volvo for safety.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556

    It is a World economy. GM builds and sells in other countries.
    The so called American GM may be built in Canada or Mexico, or several other countries. Parts is parts.

    I can just see them in Germany thinking, gee that Opel is a foreign car, no matter where it is produced. Better not by that. I think they have for decades. GM is a foreign company to many.

  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    The Civic gets 40MPG highway. Check out the sticker.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: US 25 & US 40Posts: 19,785
    Accord-read the post. Auto, V6 to compare with 3300 Century in 1989!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    1989 Accord 24/30 = 26 average gas mileage according to the government fuel mileage website. The 1989 Century got 20/29 = 23 average.

    And the Accord is good for 300K miles. Handles great - less filling :)

  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I think you have the Avalon confused with a Lucerne which is what this forum is for.

    Now that you mention it though I do not believe this forum has had any owner complaints except for the front seat being too small for one person.
  • finfin atlantaPosts: 590
    Interesting thought.... no problems except a front seat that is not large enough for a particular person. If there are no other problems to post and discuss, looks like a GM winner in the making, maybe. wow. :D
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I don't understand your response. Opel is a German company and those in Germany know that and don't consider it American though it may share some parts. The Chevrolets produced in Canada to Canadians are considered American brand cars. The question isn't the parts contents origination, it's the company producing the final product.

    Again what I was saying is that no matter what foreign company comes into the U.S.A. and builds cars, etc., they are still considered a foreign company no matter what materials are used to make them. A Japanese company is a Japanese company no matter where its made.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    But what is the real world mileage? Looks like a marketing ploy to me.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    Like anything else, an Accord will only last as long as it's maintained good.
  • larrymitlarrymit Posts: 80
    Is a Chrysler a foreign car? Made by Mercedes.
  • kfrielkfriel Posts: 31
    First of all a big HELL YES. I like this car.
    Specs: White 3 Porte, bucket seats w/console shifter. Cloth seats and base radio I presume. Tires, Bridgstone Insignia 16's. Rental car co Enterprise, Location So. Cal. 6181 on the ODO. Rattle free.

    Ups: Wow can I really get all this for $26K? Ride= NICE supple yet responsive. Very Quiet. Turn the key and the engine barks to life instantly. Very roomy. Radio NO distortion at full volume. Engine, surprisingly throaty mellow growl. Power= acceptable. Better then I expected actually. Shift points seem to be about 4500rpm and then again at 5700rpm. Can usually get a quick crisp downshift if you drop the hammer from cruising speed. Sometimes for example uphill start from red light, if you floor it there will not be a gear change. Handiling, VERY GOOD, taut and planted in sweepers. Interior very roomy and comforatable.

    Downs: WILL get out of shape on a tight 90 degree right or left hander. Front end push/understeer tires squeal like little school girls. Still feel in control though. Sweepers,planted UNTIL you apply the brakes or hit a small bump. Was doing about 75 in a big sweeper hit a dip, suspension unloaded. Drove same corner again, with out hitting the bump and applied the brakes and the back end lifts and wants to come around. NOBODY WANTS TO RACE ME :(

    Styling: Something needs to happen below the front licesne plate holder, slab sided and drab with slats only. Any chance we could have foglights? Could we have a hood ornament or does that ruin the lines/sport characteristics?

    Summary: I had a thing for it now I'm in love. I have of course driven both this and a V8 on test rides only. Could I live with a V6? Yes. do I want the V8? Probably, will have to do a back to back test drive while I have this car. Can turn traction control off, but indifferent to me as I cannot chirp it off the line either way on dry pavement. Very minimal torque steer only in a tight corner on the gas. Very impressed so far.

    Current daily driver: 95 Jaguar XJ6 with 135K on the ODO that WILL NOT DIE and unfortantely just passed smog for another two years.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Opel is a brand with a long-standing tradition in Europe and today produces and sells vehicles worldwide. Opel was founded in 1862 in Rüsselheim, Germany and joined the General Motors family of cars and trucks in 1929.

    It is a GM brand.
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    They usually get at, to 10% above the government figures on gas mileage for Honda's. ( IMHO )

    I have owned some V6 GM cars, and they generally, on the highway, got up to 10% over the government gas mileage figures. I think it is the nature of the beast. It happened too many time to be luck. Well the last GM V6 got at the figure - something like 30 MPG. One of the best features of GM is the V6 gas mileage, though it could also be in the taller top gear.
    It seemed a little high.

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Let's please get back to the Lucerne. Thanks.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    If you would carefully read the last couple of pages where this conversation started, you will notice this was not a question about domestic content, but a question of is it an American company or a foreign company regardless of where the wires and tires came from.
  • kfrielkfriel Posts: 31
    I would definatley want at leaset 17" wheels on this car. The brakes are excellent. 4 speed tranny seems "just right" in this car. Can't imagine it would be much differnet with the V8. My wife has driven it a couple times to work now as well. She is onboard. Wants to get heated/air leather seats which works for me because I have decided I want the V8 so we are looking like a CXL V8 when the time comes. Had my long legged daughter sit in the back seat, her comment was "wow this is the first car I can sit like a normal person in"

    Looks like I have it for one more week. Fuel economy on the V6 per the trip computer states 21.6, and we are both driving the hell out of this thing. Plan to go see my dealer tomorrow if he has a CXL V8 on the lot to compare motor wheel combo.
  • pmerk28pmerk28 Posts: 121
    It was the dark blue color. Not the CXS. Looked pretty sharp. I'm only 33 and probably too young for a Buick, but I can see how this car is great competition for the Avalon, and Montego/500. I saw where some said this is compettition for the Nissan Maxima. Yeah sure. The Maxima is driven by 20-40 year olds not 65 years olds.
  • Get a grip that is such a closed minded thing to say. I am 39 years old and have driven a 91 LeSabre bought it leftover in 1991 at the age of 24 years old. I got 212 thousand miles out of this car with no major repairs aside from a front axle. That was after getting in a major front end accident. I bought a 1995 LeSabre back in 1998 but my wife got hit by some kid in a Subaru back in 2001 and totaled the car. Luckily she was fine. I bought a 1997 Limited LeSabre to replace it and I now have 165 thousand on my 1997 and still running like a champ.

    Now I just went and bought a 2006 Lucerne CXL V8. I will tell you what I will take on your Maxima anyday of the week in quality or performance. My sister had a 1988 Maxima and went through 3 transmissions in the course of 150 thousand miles. She finally got sick of them and her and her husband swear by Audi now. I am now 39 years old and I love my Lucerne and my Lesabre and I am not 65. Get your head out of the sand and you just might be surprised. :)
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: US 25 & US 40Posts: 19,785
    The age of leSabre drivers keeps going down. I see Park Avenues and leSabres being driven by younger and younger folks, especially the pre99 models. They are recognized as a dependable used car purchase.
  • tf712tf712 Posts: 7
    Been lurking on this forum since the beginning. I'm 44 and a 3rd generation Buick owner buying from the same dealership my grandfather went to. I've owned a '71 Electra 225 Limited (passed down from my dad), '81 Park Ave Diesel (passed down from my dad and yes diesel!), 86 Park Ave (passed down from my dad), '94 Park Ave (bought new from my dad's inheretence) and currently have a '02 Park Ave Ultra. All of these cars had high mileage and lasted. My '94 I gave to a friend of mine with 205,000 miles and she now has 227,000. These cars are built to last and that's what I'm looking for.

    I told myself I was going to keep the '02 for several more years, but, everytime I go past the dealership my will power gets weaker. Damn you Buick! Waiting till the year end close outs. Hope I can still get the CXL in Opal White.
  • pmerk28pmerk28 Posts: 121

    I think you read into my post wrong. I am aware that Buick is probably the most dependable Domestic make you can buy and it's JD power surveys top even Toyota. I was referring to the image a Maxima projects where I live ( L. Island, NY) as compared to Buick. Maxima is a sporty, performance sedan with aggressive looks that a younger crowd buys. Buicks around here a driven by 65 year olds. Not ironically I just read a review in which it stated that the average Buick buyer is 65 years old. There is nothing wrong with that, my grandparents have a heck of lot more money to spend than most 33 years olds like myself. Maxima vs a Lucerne doesn't make much sense to me because the demographics are totally different. I do remember in High School (87-91) some kids driving Buicks but that was when they had the Regal/Grand National.

    That being said I will be going to a GM dealer soon to check out the Lucerne in person. My wife loves the Avalon ( and all Toyotas)but to be honest I haven't seen anyone under 60 driving an Avalon either :shades: Plus I've heard the Avalon has a marshmallow ride.

    I've owned a Mercury before ( Mountaineer) and had no problems but I i'm not loving the Montego. The Buick interests me because of the reputation of quality they have. The 3800 V-6 and the Northstar are two of the most reliable tried and true powerplants on the market today. Plus, the reviews I've read were very very good on Lucerne. I'll report back my impressions.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Nothing at all wrong IF Buicks average age stayed at 65 for the next 100 years and kept their profitable volume. Issue was that every year the average age kept going up one year so that in 20 years the average would have been 85!! Not a good thing. They did a great job at engineering great cars for the older set. Too great of a job.
    That is why Buick quit designing cars for old folks. Rendezvous average age is around 52. Do not know the age of LaCrosse but probably around 60 or so. Once all the old LeSabres and Parks and Centurys are gone ( in last years data) and with the new Lucerne I think we will see the 2006 average age dropping significantly. With the Enclave it will probably go below 55 in 2007. (Remember average age of all buyers in US is about 45, Camry is 52)
  • jef4jef4 Posts: 11
    :confuse: You are definitely right about demographics. I am from Pittsburgh and I see a lot of Buicks as well as other GM cars. I recently went on vacation to Williamsburg and Wilmington, NC and since I will be buying a Lucerne I was curious to see how many I saw. I rarely saw a
    Buick (2 in three days) or any American car. I kid you not. I saw whole parking lots with foreign made cars. The further North I went the more American cars I saw. So I guess if I was living in Williamsburg or even L. Island I wouldn't buy a Buick either.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: US 25 & US 40Posts: 19,785
    Hey, where do you get this data on average age. That's interesting. What's the Accord buyer's age compared to 10 years ago on the earlier model style?
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