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Buick Lucerne

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  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    Yes. They use heavy windshield type glass on the side windows. Mercedes started doing this years ago as well.
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 491
    Good luck on your Azera, but my 07 has the 08 shocks on it courtesy of Hyundai and this is the only difference between the 07 and 08. The bouncing problem returned after only 1,000 miles. Keep your fingers crossed and maybe you won't have it.
  • donniedonnie Posts: 24
    This is amazing! We purchased a used 2008 Azera after looking at several near-luxury cars, including the Lucerne. We thought the Buick was pretty good but the Azeras we tried were good too. Unfortunately, we didn't get to test drive the one we purchased on a real rough road before we completed the deal. On the way home, over bad roads, it became clear that we were not happy with the riding qualities of the Azera. Then, a couple of weeks ago we left it at an airport for 6 days. At 10 PM on our return we were shocked to find that the battery was dead. Two trips to the dealer---everything in OK, don't know why this is happening. At this point we would trade it for a Lucerne and take our chances.
  • donniedonnie Posts: 24
    You're right!! See my post.
  • bryangzbryangz Posts: 24
    Just read through the Azera forum. Funny what people will put with in terms of an foreign car, but if a domestic has similar problems....

    After reading that thread, I'd certainly be running the other way from the Azera.
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,738
    The *big* deal with the Buick is that it's working exactly like it should, noises and vibrations and all. Except that it's the quietest Buick ever built, so you can for the first time HEAR all of those little noises. And then the yuppies all freak out.

    Look, it's a CAR. Not a driving simulation on your Wii. Sheesh.

    The tire/steering issue is because they have unidirectional tread patterned tires on it. If it hits grooved or patterned roads, the tires want to pull to the outside so it chatters and vibrates as each side tries to do exactly that against the other. Changing to standard non-directional all-seasons fixes it instantly.
  • I have driven my 07 CXL V-8 for 9 months now. It has just over 11,000 miles on the odometer. It is finished in a now discontinued color called LIGHT QUARTZ METALLIC. The interior is shale, with very a handsome milk chocolate dashboard and top of the interior doors. If you look quickly at the exterior it looks like a medium metallic gray, but if you come up on it in lower light, in a garage, for example you can see the amethyst color. It reminds me of a cloud at sunset. It has the pearl finished (painted) wheels. I always thought I would like chrome wheels better but the exterior body color goes better with the pearl finish wheels. The only option on this car is the sunroof, which I occasionally use. I don't long for any of these other gizmos on some of the other cars.

    My car drives very well and is extremely confortable, whether in the city or highway. Gas mileage averages from 18-22 MPG in combination driving, using 93 octane gas.

    I have not had any major problems with it. The only 2 things problems I had were due to mistakes made at the factory, easily corrected. The first problem resulted from some lazy union auto worker failing to clamp the transmission line going into the lower radiator cooler. The line came off and the transmission fluid leaked out. Then more recently the car got wet inside because the drains around the sunroof were not properly installed and a moulding around the trunk had not been installed. Both of these problems were promptly and cheerfully corrected with no major inconvenience.

    Based upon the above, I am doing well with my ride. I refuse to let the government dictate what I will drive. It makes me sick that they to cram everybody into cars that are neither comfortable, fun to drive, nor safe. I just hope that I can manage to drive this vehicle long enough to fully enjoy it and to take advantage of the extended warranty.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,673
    "The first problem resulted from some lazy union auto worker failing to clamp the transmission line going into the lower radiator cooler. The line came off and the transmission fluid leaked out. Then more recently the car got wet inside because the drains around the sunroof were not properly installed and a moulding around the trunk had not been installed. Both of these problems were promptly and cheerfully corrected with no major inconvenience."

    I am glad for you that the problems were quickly repaired...but that is the whole problem that just gets my goat...your Lucerne is a "lower status" DTS, yet someone did not clamp the transmission line...OK, maybe the clamp fell off during shipment (still shoddy workmanship, but let's just give the benefit of the doubt to the UAW)...but the drains not being properly installed (just how many ways can it fit in, anyway???)...and the trunk moulding was, simply, left off...

    I realize this is not the UAW topic, but this is a UAW car...where are the union defenders???...are they going to blame the engineers for leaving off the moulding???...isn't this just the lousy workmanship that has sent millions of buyers over to the imports???

    Will anyone defend this kind of work???
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,184
    Sounds to me like a few people, probably temporary workers, didn't do their jobs right. I observed IUE union workers on an assembly line two winters ago building Chev, GMC, Suzuki, and Saab vehicles. The methods they used would not have allowed any shortcomings in full attaching these things.

    The sunroof drain lines are weak area in H-bodies (a relative of the C-bodies here). They tend to break above the floor on the driver's side; they come down through the windshield pillar and the A-pillar next to the driver's foot. They seemed to fracture in that area after some time.

    Enjoy your automobile.
  • Just read in today's auto section of the paper that "the Lucerne is gone in 2011" Anybody hear anything about this? Will there be a replacement or is the LaCrosse going to be their top end model?
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    Manager of Buick, Susan Docherty, has already announced the LaCrosse will be the new Buick "flagship" after the Lucerne is gone. When this happens, the new Cadillac XTS (DTS replacement) will be the only GM choice for a full-sized luxury car. Buick has never been without a full-sized car and I think this decision will come back to bite it. If I don't like the new XTS, I'll be going to Lexus or maybe even Hyundai, as their new Equus looks pretty nice. GM is playing a dangerous game by getting rid of the better selling half of their full-sized duo. Maybe Lutz and Henderson will regain their senses and push for a US version of the Chinese Park Avenue or a Buick version of the XTS.
  • The lease on my 2007 Lucerne CSX will be up in July 2010 and it is a shame that GMAC is no longer leasing vehicles at this time. In the past GMAC would give customers an option to turn in their leased car early and get another vehicle. When I worked for Oldsmobile we had hundreds of satisfied customers who continually re-leased one Olds after another. The car is currently posted on Swapalease.com in case anyone wants to take over payments for the next ten months.
    This CSX is as great as the two Auroras I had and the Buick is the only way to get a "rebadged" Aurora with Oldsmobile now gone. This car will be missed, especially since it has three 1964 "WILDCAT" emblems on it. Of course they will be removed and placed on the NEXT 2010 Lucerne CXL in Cyber Gray with Titanium leather interior.
    I would certainly never lease a car for 39 months again, especially in California. You end up paying a full year of registration just to keep the car for the final three months!
    That's where the early trade-in/select another Buick option comes in handy.
    By the way, I only buy American. Always have, always will. . .
  • Have a '09 Lucerne with 6 passenger seating. Gear shift on steering column. When it is in drive, the gear shift blocks out part of the radio display and also the fav, info and the menu button. You have to lean over to see them if you want to use them or try to feel for them. Either way, it is a safety concern. You have to take your eye off the road too long. The only safe way would be to stop the car, put it in park and use them, unless there is a passenger that can do it, which in my case, there usually is not. Another thing about the display on the radio. I have xm radio. When it displays the artist or the song title, many times they are to long to display the entire name or song and is therefore cut off. I would think that would be an easy fix, like change the font or something like that.
  • Our 2007 Lucerne CXS had its badging replaced by "Wildcat" emblems from the 1964 model (large one on the trunk, two smaller ones on the front doors)-much better looking and the name GM should have used! I think most buyers are getting tired of GM copying the foreign "alphanumeric" lettering.
    Our lease is up next July but we plan to trade early to get a 2010 "Wildcat", though probably a V6; the V8 is way too thirsty. I drive my Toronados when I want low MPG!
    If you can, get a 36-month lease ( not our "39") because in states like California you have to pay registration for the entire year to drive the car the three remaining months.
    I hope GM keeps the Lucerne/Wildcat in production. There is no other car quite like it! :shades:
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  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    I've been looking at both models as an alternative to the Avalon I was going to buy. Seems like Buick is targeting the same market with both vehicles. I was tending toward the Lucerne but a 4-speed automatic? C'mon. I'm also concerned when I read the problems folks have had with the car, & the dealers' responses. They sound a lot like the Toy dealers before the lawsuits exploded on the scene.

    Questions: Is there that much of an actua difference between the two Buicks? Do you think one of the models will be dropped in favor of the other? Reliability can be a pain in the butt with any car but do you think the company is ignoring customer complaints or does it depend on the dealer you go to?

    Thanks for your opinions.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    Most of the posts I've read are favorable. I was lucky enough to find an 06 Lucerne with only 10,000 miles (hope I don'y jinx myself by saying I was lucky). Anyway it has the 4.6 V8 which I love. It has a deep rumble exhaust. The ride is smooth and quiet and it is really powerful. I've read other posts where people are getting up to 30 mpg with this engine. But to answer your question, I'd be just as happy if this were a LaCrosse. Both cars are fine and best of all, American made.
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Up to 30mpg with the V8? Whoa, and that's with the 4 speed automatic. My local dealer has a new '09 sitting there, saw it last fall & loved it but one of the salesmen told me the mileage stunk with the V8. Geez, that car was loaded & listed for $40 something; if they still have it I wonder what I could get it for now, with some good old fashioned hard nosed bargaining. What's your real world mileage combining city/highway driving?

    Thanks Nace.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    I've only had it for one day, so I haven't had a chance to check it yet. The 30mpg I stated was one of the reviews I read on edmunds used car reviews, In fact one poster said he got 34 mpg. That one I find hard to believe, and that also was with the V8,
  • kenb757kenb757 Posts: 149
    I get 17-18 mpg combined city/highway with my 08 Super. Got 20+ with my 07 DTS, but the Lucerne Northstar is tuned differently (same as the performance version of the DTS).
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    I could constantly get 30 mpg with my Northstar V8 if I didn't have a lead foot. Trip computer reads 30 mpg if you drive about 60 mph. However I restrain myself and try to keep it about 68-70. That V8 rumble just sounds so good it's hard not to keep your foot in it. It's not so bad though since you can use regular grade gas.
  • tbone_raretbone_rare Posts: 96
    I can't see Buick dropping the Lucerne. It might be time for a redesign. The one they did for the 2010 Lacrosse is jaw dropping! It just depends on what you're looking for with your new car. The Lucerne is going to give you the typical smooth Buick ride. The Lacrosse will get you more MPG and a sportier ride and drive. How much space do you need for passengers? Those are questions you should ask yourself before deciding which one to test drive.
  • twinbtwinb Posts: 140
    Ah, I don't know about that. Caddy is dropping both the STS & DTS, coming out with the XTS which is supposed to be a combo of both. From what I've seen of the concept & read about the XTS, it's neither. At my local Buick dealer I was told the Lucerne won't be redesigned before the '12 or '13 model year. I like the roominess & the ride compared to the LaCrosse; that cockpit feel in the LaCrosse makes me feel like a sardine in a can, & being tall I bumped my knees getting in & out of the thing with that extension of the dash just inside the door. Seems to me like the American companies are going for the sport suspension/drive & waving bye-bye to the luxurious comfortable ride they've been known for.
  • tbone_raretbone_rare Posts: 96
    Cadillac will do exactly what Buick did when they replaced the Lesabre and PA. The Lucerne was supposed to be a combination of both. In fact, previous drivers of the Lesabre and PA were not overly thrilled with the Lucerne. Most of those customers were older and probably a little set in their ways. Slowly but surely those customers are changing their minds. I think some of the rationale has to do with upcoming CAFE standards. Cadillac will be like all others when it comes to EPA fuel efficiency. We will probably all see the luxurious comfortable rides compromised to some extent IMO.
  • oldguy8oldguy8 Posts: 12
    Do not believe the computer mileage, do it the old fashion way, most of the time it is better than what the computer shows.
  • nace818nace818 Posts: 140
    That's good to know. I haven't done it that way yet. The computer consistently shows 27-28 highway even with my V8 CXS. It's been said that higher octane gas gets better mpg, Does anyone believe this to be true? I may have to do a test.
  • I test drove both the Lucerne and LaCrosse before purchasing a new 2011 LaCrosse earlier this week. The Lucerne rides like the Cadillac DTS I recently had- very comfortable ride. I have heard the Lucerne is going to be phased out soon for another model. I have not heard the LaCrosse is going to be replaced. I liked both cars very much- but the LaCrosse handles like a sports car ( hugs the road and excellent control)i on tight curves, winding roads etc. and still gives me a comfortable ( Buick) ride. I also preferred the actual looks of the LaCrosse over the Lucerne- but would have been happy with either one. Most of the available options are the same- navigation system, rear parking assist, etc. Other LaCrosse owners have had visibility/perception issues with rear and parallel parking- its still too new to credibly comment on this, but do believe the rear parking assist will help if this is an issue. The headrest on the passenger seat takes away some visibility when looking out the back right side window while driving. Both are priced nearly identical so this was not an issue. I have had good results with GM quality- also own a 2008 Buick Enclave and 2010 Malibu. I did compare the LaCrosse with the Acura TL and Lexus 350 and the LaCrosse won hands down- for the mid 30's, this is one nice car!
  • I had an "outtie" door ding appear suddenly one day just after opening and closing the driver's window on a 2011 Chrysler 300C. I thought I had been hit by a shopping cart, but my dent doctor said it was an 'outtie' and that something in the door panel dented the door from the inside. Most likely a loose screw or other part from the window regulator. The dent doctor fixed the dent, but, the Chrysler dealer could not find the cause after removing the interior trim panel covering the window regulator. There was another panel underneath this one, but they did not remove it. They did take out the window and could not see anything that would hit the door.

    Anyone have any experience with something like this? I had one once before on the trunk of my Mercedes when I put a large suitcase in the trunk and slammed the trunk shut without realizing the interference.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Brownie 12
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