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Since I'm no expert on decals, I would check out this
Edmunds forum.
The instructions are probably invaluable if you do it yourself. I'm just surprised they made it so complicated.
I bet the trailer shops just splice in to the tail light wiring, that's gotta be easier for them.
I do my own accessory installations, on my Forester it was just plug-n-play, the harness was just sitting there in the spare tire well. Piece of cake.
When I replace that vehicle, I'll want a hitch on whatever new vehicle I get.
-juice
Removing stickers, labels, decals, glue, sap...
Steve, Host
When I bought my RAV4 recently, the dealer actually asked me if I wanted the dealer decal put on or not. I thought that was a nice thing.
Thanks for any feedback. Except for the hatch I loved the little vehicle.
Valley hitch pin
Another example of the "Toyota way" is not providing access to important options in all regions. This is apparently a regional office thing. In NY you cannot buy the RAV4 V6 Sport with side curtain airbags. Drive to Mass or PA or buy the I4 and you can. Important safety options should be made available to all buyers.
But hey, right now Toyota is flying high so they must be getting it mostly right for most people. In the big picture of life, getting your trailer lights connected is not the end of the world I would say!
By no means will you get in 60% and 40% mix @ 30 Mpg.
Unless you spend the entire trip inside the same car they used to test the milage on the car.
Besides the Mpg sticker says: up to and not eqal or beyond 30 Mpg.
I do not get that milage with my I4 even if I aero-glide behind another car.
And the I4 suppose to get a better milage!
But why do you people complain? Do you know what my 210 HP Jeep Liberty used to get in 60-40 traffic? A mere 16 Mpg.
That is why I traded it in.
So if you get even 24 Mpg out of that 267 Hp engine, it is still a miracle.
I am skeptical about 30mpg also. I'm not sure what method they are using to figure their mpg. I am VERY pleased to be getting between and 20-24 with my V6.
------>Heck, I'm just plain jealous! I get 20, and I don't even have the V6. :sick:
I4 2WD - under 22 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
I4 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 7 ]
I4 2WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
I4 2WD above 28 MPG
5% [ 2 ]
--I4 4WD - under 22 MPG
16% [ 6 ]
--I4 4WD 22-25 MPG
50% [ 18 ]
--I4 4WD 26-29 MPG
2% [ 1 ]
--I4 4WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 36
V6 2WD - under 22 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
V6 2WD 22-25 MPG
19% [ 11 ]
V6 2WD 26-29 MPG
3% [ 2 ]
V6 2WD over 29 MPG
0% [ 0 ]
--V6 4WD - under 22 MPG
23% [ 13 ]
--V6 4WD 22-25 MPG
41% [ 23 ]
--V6 4WD 26-29 MPG
5% [ 3 ]
--V6 4WD over 29 MPG
1% [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 56
But my foot is heavy
still 8 mpg more i used to get with the Liberty
I am happy too see my smile?
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Autos/story?id=1274541
Yooper
NONE of the cars I've owned before exceeded the MPG rating, in fact, most of them fell under at least 3-4 MPG.
If you'll provide procedures for accurate measurement of MPG,and if it makes sense I'll bow to you and accept the numbers you call now facts.
Amen to that Jim. That really is the issue--to the average consumer new to the Toyota buying experience, when they purchase a "tow prep package" that comes "pre-wired", that average consumer can (and will) reasonably conclude that all the wiring is done and all they need to do is simply plug in their trailer to the wiring that should be installed. Indeed, I believe any judge or jury would believe a consumer is acting reasonable by believing that the wiring is complete when Toyota says it is "pre-wired." That's gonna be my argument, anyway, after I purchase the harness, and insist that Toyota install it for free. That is a more than fair compromise, in my humble opinion---I'll suck it up and pay for the harness (which should already be included in teh prewiring) if they do the installation work for free.
Good luck
Some dealers will take items shipped from the manufacturer with the vehicle that are to be installed as part of dealer prep. They will put these items aside and charge customers for the item and installation when they ask or as dealer installed options. How do I know this? I once sold cars (forgive me Lord) and the dealership was doing this. I saw it with spare tire covers, audio components, roll bar padding, mats, etc. I am not saying the Toyota dealers are doing this, but if they always seem to have the harness in stock... You have to check the order book description (I do not know any web source for this info. You will need to ask the dealership to see it and check items for your particular vehicle before you make your deal) and hold the dealer accountable.
Need your input
Kevin
I have not bought the RAV4 yet but when I talked to the sales guy he thought the harness came with the Tow Prep package. But I have found that they do not always have the RAV4 story correct.
The wording of the Toyota option page on the web is vague now. It lists each thing but does not mention wiring or connector. I thought it used to say something about connector but that could have been the under dash connector. Anyway when I order or buy the truck later this year I will try to get it straight with the dealer then.
Also someone told me that you can negotiate the OEM Toyota hitch package with everything for $450. That might be worth it if you tow often. Also it seems to fit more neatly under the truck and looks like it has more mounting points. Do you need all that...who knows!
This comes up all the time on the Prius and hybrid boards. How often have you heard someone say or a 'knowledgable' writer state: "Hybrids never get what they are supposed to in fuel economy"
The Highway EPA tests are done at an average speed of 48 mph which is just about the sweetest spot for an ICE system. For every 10 mph over 48 you may lose up to 5-10% of your fuel economy. Driving faster than 68 mph will dramatically decrese your FE in this square metal box. It's like doing a belly flop off a 3 meter board.
In the EPA testing currently no AC is used. It is also done indoors so wind and weather have no bearing. Subtract 5-10% for driving in strong winds, on slippery sufaces or in winter.
Constantly 'riding the accelerator' will burn more fuel. It's obvious but think about it. In the EPA test there is no provision for passing everyone on the road.
Huge misconception: The combinded values are predicated on an arbitrary 55/45 division between Hwy/city. As the poster above noted at 80% Hwy/20% City the 'correct' EPA weighted average for this particular driver should be:
24/30 EPA 28.8 mpg 'weighted' combined in a 4c
21/28 EPA 26.6 mpg 'weighted' combined in a V6
These are EPA conditions which are nearly perfect.
Now adjust the Highway portion only for less than perfect conditions say 70 mph speeds and windy weather.
.. deduct 15% for highspeed driving;
.. deduct 5% for windy weather;
.. deduct another 2-3% for AC usage.
For the V6 now your new Highway 'realworld' value is about 22 mpg.
Combine this with your 21 City driving EPA and the result is clear. 21-22 mpg under these conditions is 'normal'.
This is extremely clear in the hybrids because the actual fuel economy is often graphed on-screen. The driver can see specifically what effect his/her own inputs - along with outside conditions - have on overall fuel economy.
A feature like this in all vehicles would be extremely useful. I've noticed it recently in the new ICE Highlander Ltd with navi. There is an instantaneous meter that shows how FE is being effected by the current conditions.
Take a look:
http://www.scangage.com/
I don't own a RAV4 yet but did use the scan gauge on a test drive I took on a 2006 RAV4 V6 so I know it works fine.
If you get the new version of the Scangauge I think you will be impressed with both the functions and the great new display. You can get them on Ebay for a few dollars less than the factory website. I had bought both an old model and then a new model recently from a guy "sterling..." somthing on Ebay.
Enjoy!
I'm on my third tank of gas. I trip the odometer on each fill up.
Cars goes 100 miles on first quarter tank.
2nd 100 miles uses 1/2 a tank.
On last quarter tank, I get the low fuel warning light just when needle goes below 1/4 mark.
I fill up, and still have over 3 gallons in the tank. (assuming 15.9 is accurate size of gas tank).
I'm getting approx 23 mpg, so no problem there...but gas guage is a bit strange. My last vehicle was a 4Runner and its guage didn't do this.
Comments or ideas?
Thanks
-Dan
Most of my previous vehicles have exceeded mpg numbers on highway use.
03 Subaru Baja = often 2 to 3 over and sometimes 4 mpg over.
98 Subaru Outback= right on estimates
96 Toyota Rav4 = 2 to 3 over
91 Nissan Truck = 2 to 3 over, as high as 5 over.
91 Nissan Sentra = 4 to 5 over, as high as 10 over.
82 Honda Civic = 3 to 6 over, as high as 10 over.
For those of you who cringe at me going down to the empty mark, I've been doing it all my life and have never had a fuel related problem in any of my three previous Toyotas.
For the record, I also had a 1991 Nissan Sentra. My first tank of gas, I ran out of gas while waiting for the low fuel light to come on. It never did.
Counting on the Empty light to come on is not a solution. The empty light is affected by many factors and may come on prematurely.
Then there is the ODO isse. Is it accurate? Well there is difference between the tire sizes. Inflation is an affecting factor too.
So ratifying MPG numbers is not that easy.
It could also be the pumping equipment if you stop at the auto stop point. It doesn't matter really over the course of a several months or a year or two.
Just post each tank on GreenHybrid on their database and all will be done for you or use your own spreadsheet.