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If there truly is a $4k delta in Rav pricing the base better list at 19K!
Forester was just face-lifted so the new one is two full years out (MY 2008). If you don't like the new look of the Tribeca, might as well buy now, because the next Forester is expected to get that nose.
Toyota's ownership is 8.7%, enough to exert plenty of influence, but not necessarily full control.
GM owned more than 20%, and Subaru refused to sell a TrailBlazer clone (Saab got it instead and Subaru made the Tribeca). Subaru's ads compared the Legacy to a Grand Am's poor crash test results.
They're pretty indy, though I expect they'll be more willing to work closely with Toyota. I won't mind if they do.
-juice
Other than AWD & extra ground clearance, there's not much difference between them.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Maybe there would be demand for a RAV4 3-row 2.4l model.
-juice
I drove a 5 and really liked it. However I want to see the RAV and even more hope Toyota brings to the U.S. their WISH, which is the same as the 5. Honda has the Stream. I read where Toyota was moving the Matrix to Scion and would have a new larger sport wagon. That's for 07.
http://toyota.jp/wish/
http://www.honda.co.jp/STREAM/
For now I don't like that the new RAV will only have a 4 speed automatic on the 4 cylinder. Hopefully they will change to a 5 speed by the time they come out. I would hope this would give it at least and possibly more then 30mph highway. The Mazda5 has a 4 speed auto but expect a midyear change to 5 speed since their higher end M3 now has it.
Do you think we will be able to get the short wheelbase RAV as sold in Europe? Probably not. I would think the new short wheelbase is still larger then the present RAV.
-juice
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/yourlife/rav4/index.html
I tried configuring a V6, but it did NOT give prices. :confuse:
Limited specs available at:
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/rav4/rav06specs.pdf
FWD 4 4A rated at 24/29. Alright. (The Forester AWD 4A is rated 23/28. I'd guess thats what the RAV's AWD ratings will be. I wonder which one has more power?)
Cannot get Sport suspension (e.g. "Sport" trim line) with 3rd row seat
No Nav on Options List
~alpha
What about the AWD V6?
Forester now makes 173hp, which is slightly more than the RAV4 4 banger will have. I'd give Subaru the edge there, more power and probably slightly more fuel efficient as well.
Does the V6 need premium fuel?
-juice
Hence, my comment.
~alpha
Don't be surprised if the ratings are accurate or even go up, Subaru is famous for sand-bagging.
-juice
Anyone think that maybe this will change by V6 release date or is it cast in concrete for this model year?
The little brother is going to leap frog the big brother!
-juice
$26-28000 for a Limited RAV AWD
$28-29000 for a Std Highlander 2WD
If done properly it keeps the Highlander from being eaten alive by the last model year buyers. You choose - a loaded rocket or a std package people-mover.
He announced:
0-60 mpg in < 7 secs !!!!! Wowsa...
~alpha
If the measurements are right, I can skip the Odyssey and get a V6 2WD RAV4.
I would love to see a comparison test between those three. Saturn needs better steering and seats, but otherwise, these are 3 fun powertrain choices you'd have in this segment.
Forester is the only one to offer a manual trans, though.
While EPA estimates can be way off, the road tests of the new Avalon show that Toyota's new line of V6s are both powerful and efficient. Real-world mileage is better than the less powerful outgoing model's.
-juice
PS to the post on the nav feature...OEM ones are a rip off. By a stand alone or a lap top and play DVD's and get nav for the same price!
Too small for the relatives I guess.
Guess its back to the Odyssey/Sienna debate in the house...
Thus if one really needs to cart around so many folks in comfort on a regular basis, a minivan or full-sized SUV is definitely the right path to go.
The RAV4's third row is going to be awfully cramped, that's for sure. I think it's for small kids, or for occasional short hops when everyone has to cram into the vehicle. Also, the third row is going to be pretty close to any rear-end collision so that needs to be factored in as well.
When I was in high school and college, I used to ride along in the back of some friends' 2+2's. E.g. TransAms, older Celicas -- most of which weren't bigger than most third rows today. Sure it was uncomfortable, but we always found a way. Even later on we had an Acura Integra with a miniscule second row.
Of course, for folks like me more interested in the Sport V6 model, theres no reason to think of it as anything other than a 5 passenger... since you cant get the third row in that model.
269 horses, 18 inch wheels, sport suspension, VSC, side curtains, and 27 HWY MPG, AWD.. if it can come in at/around 26K.... thatd be AWESOME. And I dont need crap like leather...
~alpha
Even an MDX's third row isn't too comfy.
A minivan is the best solution for those seeking comfortable seating for 7 passengers. (although I've heard the Freestyle is pretty comfortable also)
I thought it was crazy when Toyota began offering the Highlander and 4Runner with a 3rd row, but it makes sense from a marketing perspective. The idea of the RAV4 having a 3rd row now seems ridiculous, but it does give someone the option of putting a small child in the 3rd row in a pinch. I hope we can get an AWD V-6 limited without the 3rd row.
Since the new RAV4 is so much larger, I've got to think that the next generation Highlander will probably be as large or larger than the current Pilot. I think the only reason to prefer the Highlander at this point is if you don't like the rear hatch and spare tire location in the RAV4 or want a Hybrid.
Given the project fuel economy for the RAV4, I doubt you'd get much better real world mileage in a Hybrid Highlander. And, you'd save $10k in the process, for a similar size vehicle with an updated design.
But the Pilot should offer better seating as its bigger.
Then again, a Sienna or Odyssey would be most optimal if you're carrying many passengers often or just appreciate the extra space. (I sure do)
Pilot is on the Odessey frame
Highlander ( until further notice ) is on the Camry frame
RAV is smaller in every dimension than the Highlander
I'd say 15 min MAX in row 3 for a couple of 10 yr olds who aren't siblings.