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Glad to have ya on board the Tundra craze folks... Hope you find them just as much of the powerhouse truck as I do...
Both the Chev and Toyota guys pick at eachother, but I've noticed that the Chev guys seem to call foul and accuse us of being trolls every time we post valid arguments (which is often). Then, people like Obyone beg the host to discontinue the subject, then later go back and delete their plea after it is rebuked. So Obyone, my words were truthful. You really do surrender faster than a French general in WWII and retreat! And this is always happening in the Toyota boards! If you don't like it, go to the Chevy boards where you belong!
Obyone, I'm sorry, but even the Edmunds test drivers said the Chevy was an unsafe truck because of serious breaking problems. They said it was unnerving, and almost plowed into stopped vehicles and overshot intersections. How you can turn a blind eye to this fact and focus in on the Tacoma's one star side impact rating is simply the pinnacle of ignorance. I am not ignorant; I have acknowledged your fact about my truck. I am an adult and can admit to that.
Obyone, I also see that you've been pulling the same stunt as your compadre Sonjaab. Yup, you too have been going back and deleting posts after I rebuked them. Remember your post about begging the host to ice this subject? By the way, Sonjaab was only willing to settle that little argument over our private e-mails. Hmmm, why is that? Well, let's just say he didn't want you all and especially the host to read what he had to say, I'll leave it at that. Come to think of it, Sonjaab hasn't posted since that day. Or maybe he has, but under a different name. You see, his credibility was destroyed.
I keep coming back here to Edmunds because you guys keep giving me such a good laugh. It's like when I was on the debate team at school, only this has proved far less challenging. Keep up the good work!
You are a case in itself. I haven't in the past and don't plan on ever deleting a post. If the post was deleted, it wasn't by me. Try emailing PF_Flyer as he or any of the other hosts from Edmunds have that power to delete. By reviewing the previous 20 posts, I haven't noticed any of my posts missing. Are you hallucinating?
Surrender, that's even better. Nothing to surrender about dude. I'm glad that you've admitted that your truck has a one star side impact rating. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like you care or are planning to do anything about it. Any reason why? I'd really be concerned if I were you. Then again.......I'm not am I.
You state that the Edmunds test drivers said the Chevy was unsafe. Care to post some links? Don't remember anything like that at all and should prove to be interesting reading.
Lastly, I have never asked the host to ice this topic which is for Tundra owners. BTW, do you own a Tundra?
Good luck on this one now!!
Yea could you please post a link to this
Ive read all their articles on the silverado and i never seen that in any of them
Anyways, Pluto makes some valid points about not just Tacoma, Tundra, but also Toyota... He also makes very very good points about Chevy.... I welcome his comments, as he is a Toyota owner...
Glad ta have ya aboard Pluto... Oh, and if O.B. is having posts deleted, that must mean he is posting things that aren't suppose to be posted... Maybe Flyer needs to look at that a little closer, unless of course O.B. is lying and deleted them himself...
Obyone, my apologies. I had you confused with your twin Quadrunner500. He was the one pleading the host to ice this subject and after he read my post #786, deleted his post. I wonder how many times he has done this in the past? What a convenient way to save face. Everytime you are invalidated, you simply go back, erase your post and nobody will ever know you were proven WRONG.
But I'm not like Quadrunner or Sonjaab, I am not a spineless child and I stand behind my words and take responsibility for them, even if they were in error. And that's why I wouldn't delete my previous erroneous post about Obyone being the post-deleting culprit.
Obyone, it's ridiculous to suggest I go out and get rid of my truck because it has a one star side impact rating. Overall, the truck received good ratings, but like everything in this world, is not perfect and has its strengths and weaknesses. I would like to suggest to you that you get rid of your Chevy and buy a Volvo or Mercedes, the safest, top of the line model. You should also refrain from driving on weekends, holidays, and when the weather is bad. You should also not smoke, drink, eat fatty foods and have your home checked every year for radon and asbestos. ETC. ETC.
I have news for you. Auto accidents take on all kinds of freaky and surprising forms. I know of instances of full size trucks hitting compact cars and getting launched, as if the car was a ramp. Or full size trucks hitting those guard rails (which are designed to stop smaller vehicles) and flipping over them into oncoming traffic. If the Toyota was so unsafe in the real world, we would be hearing about it. Just like we've heard about vehicles like Mustangs and Vegas blowing up when rear-ended, or Samurais flipping, or Explorers rolling over. Now, I wouldn't put up with that.
Maybe this feature should be eliminated, as it seems like the Chevy guys, especially Sonjaab and Quadrunner, don't like to play fair.
In that article was the following said? I dont remember it. Maybe you could post a whole paragraph with the following in it
"Edmunds test drivers said the Chevy was an unsafe truck because of serious breaking problems"
The information on Chevy's bad brakes is clearly discussed not just once but many times in that article and is available for viewing by anyone willing to take the time to read it.
Quadrunner, your #790 is so erroneous it screams for a rebuke. But why bother, afterall, you'll just go back and delete #790 after you get whupped.
It's time to stop.
Anyone who continues this beyond this point, anyone who finds that they can't, for whatever reason, abide by the terms of use in Town Hall ... those people are putting their access to Town Hall on the line. I suggest you read the Membership Agreement which includes the following:
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I don't want to see ANYONE lose their access... so LET IT GO.
Hoping that this is enough said...
PF Flyer
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Ok, we all know that a lot of those first GM production year trucks were plagued with problems!!! Far to many if you ask me, and that is also why I will never buy a 1st or 2nd year production vehicle from GM. I test drove a new Z-71 ext-cab in the summer of 1998 and I thought it was junky, could hardly keep the thing on the road!!
But since then GM has cleaned up its act and has started producing trucks with great quality, and this can be seen starting in its 2001 year models like the 2001 ext-cab Z-71 that I own (which is so much better than the 1999 in my opinion and experience). 9 months and 7,300 miles and still ZERO problems of any kind. A pure dream to drive.
It's great if you can post test results from a 1999 GM truck, but there is a world of difference from a 1999 and a 2001 Silverado or Sierra. So let's start seeing some quotes from tests done on a 2001 Silverado or Sierra, I bet you'd see results that are vastly improved.
Once again, sorry for the post in this topic, but they axed our Tundra vs. Big 3 topic.
-David
The new Toyota Tundra Owners club is now available on Edmunds.com Owner's Club board. Please stop by and introduce yourself in Meet the Members and let me know how I can help build your club.
I have linked this discussion into that folder, but it will always reside here in Pickups.
Looking forward to meeting everyone!
KarenS
Senior Host
Owner's Clubs
You know start doing reasearch for a new vehicle now.
2005 will sneak up on me soon
In time, Toyota follow similar path of Chevy, it shall. Share same destiny, they will. Both offer many, many options to young apprentices, they will. Remember, Tundra new, but in time, more options come, they shall. But Tundra follow Chevy's path of poor reliability, it won't. Toyota go to the dark side of bad reliability, it shall not.
Rest, I must, mph eh eh mph.
I have a 2nd yr silverado. Everything is wonderful. Im over 20K. Would i do it all over again? Definitly.
Let me give you some advice bama and this is serious dont go to jiffy lube. I hear and see horror stories. They are constantly buying new engines because they mess up oil changes. Once my mom (works for a company that supplies insurance companies/people with used/rebuilt autoparts) brought home a pile of invoices from jiffy lubes insurance companies for new engines. Truely scary.
The Tundra is also the first pickup with 4 caliper front disc brakes. It has the most powerful brakes of any 1/2 ton pickup. It also blew the Big 2 away in the IIHS offset crash test. It rated good while the others rated marginal or poor. It is the only pickup to have seat belt pre-tensioners and force limiters.
What amazes me the most about the Tundra is how solidly it rides. No rattles or shakes ever. It is quieter on the highway than my Maxima sedan. I test drove the Big2 first, but after driving the Tundra - I never looked back.
In two years of ownership, I have not had a single problem. This is the most reliable vehicle I have ever owned.
Posting insults is NOT acceptable. It is NOT fun. It doesn't matter if you're "just kidding around". People who aren't "in on the joke" don't know that and get the idea that it's OK to insult other users, which cause problems elsewhere. Please stop the nonsense NOW.
PF Flyer
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If not, that's great to hear.
-David
http://carpoint.msn.com/advice/news_4019432_6.asp
Yes sir, the quality gap still exists. Good link!
The state requires snow chains when the roads get a certain amount of snow, especially going up the mountains...
Hope you have fun, and check out Central City.. They have some very cool casinos up there, and it is surrounded by Mountains...
Have you ever done any research into J.D. Powers?
I bet you'd find out the same thing that I did.
And that is that J.D. Powers has a long standing "marriage" will Toyota.
So it doesn't not surprise me that Toyota and Lexus hold several of the top spots in any J.D. Powers reports.
gvido,
Here in Washington, if the road sign say chains required and you have a 4x4, the highway patrol will just waive you on thru and you can just keep on truck'in without having to put them chains on. If you do not have a 4x4, then you have to stop and put them chains on or they will not let you thru.
-David
BTW, can you please post the marriage certificate you are talking about, as I am definately interested in seeing that... TIA...
"J.D. (Dave) Power III set up his own marketing firm in 1968. Prior to that he had worked in
Detroit, first at Ford, then at Marplan-an arm of McCann Erickson, the ad agency for Buick
and GMC. He left Detroit, he says, because of the politics involved and the difficulty in getting
straightforward information to the right people. Too often, according to Power, the client's
research department would "torture the data until it confessed," to get the kind of results
management wanted to hear.
What Dave Power wanted was the freedom to define marketing problems, conceptualize
solutions and provide management the information needed to achieve results. Shortly after
J.D. Power and Associates was founded, he received a tip on a Japanese company that
was trying to market its cars in the U.S.-Toyota Motor Corp.
The American staff in Toyota's U.S. marketing department refused to see him. So he knocked
on the door of a small building in back, where Japanese staffers were handling the
company's forklift truck business. In short order, he was compiling reports. Soon he was
introduced to Tatsuro Toyoda, who later became the CEO of all Toyota operations.
When Toyoda asked where he kept the files for his new company, Power pointed to his
head. There was no office at the time-he was operating from his kitchen table. In short order,
he had a contract and a ticket to Japan-the beginning of an extensive long-term relationship.
In those early days, Toyota accounted for most of the fledgling firm's business."
A grudge against Detroit, and a "long-term relationship" with Toyota......hmmmm.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that Toyota built quality products, and that Detroit built some pretty crappy products in the past. But I do not think the gap between them now is that big or even visible with some manufacture's models.
-David
17,347 miles... 2 recalls already... star adjuster for the brakes and trailer wiring...
Since my Tundra has not had either problem, I do not see why it should be a way for me to rate my Tundra. Please explain.
My bad if the star adjuster wasnt a recall that I labelled it to be.
Besides my comment about 'way to rate your tundras' was for the non-Tundra owners.
http://www.jdpa.com/company/background/index.asp
-David
http://carpoint.msn.com/Browse/win_4020223.asp
Here is another one for you about MSN and Carpoint.
Toyota is a major sponsor of MSN.
http://advantage.msn.com/MSNSALES/HOME/HOME.asp?SideNav=CaseStudies
You don't see GM on that list.
http://advantage.msn.com/MSNSALES/casestudies/toyota/toyota_page1.html
If I were MSN and rating a vehicle from one of my major sponsors, I'd give it a top rating too.
-David
Of course Consumer Reports rated the Silverado "much worse than average" reliability while the Tundra rated "better than average". Consumer Reports does not accept advertisements.
than 31,000 vehicle buyers—from other quality studies because owners are
asked about more than vehicle features and problems that cropped up. Strategic Vision said TQI incorporates the experience of buying the vehicle and driving it, too.
"Owners don't only rate features of their vehicles; they compile their experiences, including the feelings that are generated from the experience," said Darrel Edwards, Strategic Vision president and creator of TQI."
Oh yah, I want to trust a survey that generates results from based on "feelings" and buying experiences.
Chrysler products winning 4 out of 18 categories.
Come on folks, you know there is a problem with the survey when Chrysler products start winning awards.
A co-worker of mine has a friend who is a mechanic at a local Chrysler dealer. He says there is a "non-stop flow" of PT Cruisers coming into the shop for repairs, fixes, and other problems that seem to be a sign of a poorly built vehicle. Yet it's rated best. Must be that buying feeling that makes it top rated by TQI.
-David
Some of the best quality vehicles ever built are Toyotas including the Tundra.
If I hadn't needed more rear seat room for my children's car seats, or if I hadn't wanted to buy a truck Made in America and the profits stayed in America, I would have then probably looked a lot harder at purchasing a Tundra.
I just want to point out be careful of what you read and be careful of all of those "tests" and "surveys" out there. A lot of them are legitimate, but some are not very accurate and are based on hidden agendas. The data can be tweaked and the information twisted to reflect an outcome that they want it to be.
I'm all done now with these posts.
-David
I have read this in several places. I guess that kind of ends your argument doesn't it?
I have the manual.
Passing power is good, but you have to be careful and shift out of third to fourth without redlining it.
The 0-60 is by Motor Trend. I have never timed it.
I have driven the auto-V6 combination and it did not feel any different in performance. These new ECT transmissions keep the power much better than they used to.
My Dad just bought an '02 Tundra SR5 extended cab V8 4x4. Being a lifelong do-it-yourselfer, he is curious about oil changes on this vehicle and would like to know the following: 1) does it use a replaceable "crush" washer on the oil drain plug and 2) is there an on-line source for Toyota parts (specifically oil filters) where he can buy in quantity and save some $ on OEM filters?
Thanks in advance. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Len
http://www.toyotaguys.com/disspec.html
His name is Kevin Wheat.