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Chevrolet Avalanche

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  • In topic 2325 "Silverado 2500 LD vs 2500 HD 6.0 liter", people talks about new Chevy truck 1500 HD Crew cab. Not sure if it's the same as Avalanche or a totally different new comer.

    2001 Ford 150 S-Crew has the new 2nd row seat. Finally, it has the head rest.

    Anyone has new info for our long waiting Avalanche? The competition in the full size crew cap goes higher and higher. I wish Chevy ship it on time.
  • Still troubles logging in - Town Hall tech is working on it. I have seen other references to the 1500 Crew Cab. It is available to order now - I don't know if it is an HD or a crew cab version of the Silverado. Also, I saw a post in another forum that saw the Avalanche at a show in November and the Chevy rep it was 5-6 months until release.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    I downloaded it on one computer for hotmail and I had login troubles here. The Pickuptruck.com site had the comments about the 1/2 ton Crew Cab.
  • I just read the review from Pickuptruck.com. Here is the link http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/news/2001_GMC_Crew_Cab.html. I bet it has the same wheelbase as the current 1/2 ton super cab with the long bed. Not sure how many home's garage can fit it.

    Anyway, I seem like it. Especailly, it can tow more and don't have to wait for several months.

    Anyone would like to make a comparison bewteen Avalanche, Chvey 1500 Crew Cab and F150 S-Crew? Seems to me all of them can carry 5-6 people and tow more than 7000-8000 lb. Now, it becomes harder and harder to make a decision :-)
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Not much fanfare, and this model will be on the floors before the Avalanche. I hopespecs are out soon - wheelbase, length, etc. GM should be promoting this model and maybe catch some buyers of the SCrew looking for choices. Another oddity, the Blackwood only available in 2WD. How long will that last? By the way, fixed my problem by dumping MSN Explorer and resetting cookies. My advice - don't download the POS.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Just before I left work a salesperson with whom I had tested a Yukon called. When I mentioned the 1500 Crew Cab, she said let's check it out. She got on the order system and could spec out the Chevy and the GMC. It is a heavy 1/2 ton and is definitely in the HD line. The base engine is the 6.0. Base MSRP for the Chevy was $31,500 and $31,900 for the GMC. I am certain that all other specs would match the HD 2500 except for load and towing capacities. She had no word on the Avalanche.
  • Got a letter from Chevy about Avalanche. Nothing is really new. It still explains the midgate feature.

    However, it mentions the optional packages.

    Z66 Package:
    17" Aluminum Wheels, Premium Suspension, Traction Control, Locking Differential, Z66 Decal, Rubber Mats.

    Z71 Package:
    17" Aluminum Wheels, Premium Suspension, Skid Shields, Locking Differential, High Capacity Air Cleaner, Z71 Decal, Rubber Mats.

    Convenient Package:
    Electochromic OSRV Mirror, OnStar, Climate Control, HomeLink.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    Just thought I'd bring this topic to the top of the list in case people have not added it to their preference list yet.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    For what it's worth, I talked to my dealer/client last night and the sales person checked up on the status of the Avalanche. She described two spec/order systems - one is showing ordering commencing 01/01 and production in January/delivery in late Jan. or Feb. She is to check to make certain this is correct and call me next me week to try and spec a unit out, if possible. Also, no 1500 HD Crew Cabs have been ordered yet.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    I viewed a launch web site with my dealer and it stated order generation begins in January with pricing available in Feb/March. Target markets are the top truck markets for GM - TX, CA and FL. Distribution will be focused on these markets initially, however each dealer nationwide has an allocation of one truck to be shipped within the first 90 days after introduction. A calendar of events schedules media blitzes in March.

    Also:

    No GMC "cousin" to the Avalanche.

    There will be a product with the flexibility of the Avalanche in a vehicle that will be distinctively Cadillac.

    Chevrolet is forecasting more than 100,000 units in its first year.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    I wonder if they will have a "real" one at the show in Detroit next week ?
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    The dealer website listed Chevy Truck Events
    where prospects and competitive owners will have the opportunity to get a close look at the Avalanche. Detroit was not listed - however Chicago is on the schedule for Feb. 9 - 18. I would expect that a production vehicle will be prominently displayed at the Detroit show - wouldn't you?.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    We are talking about GM here. Who knows what the hell they are ever thinking. They made the Aztek didn't they?
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    The salesperson wanted me to look at that model - I said no thanks - I just had lunch. Dealer info has the base camp all pumped up as the ultimate tailgater. This begs the question - why did they call it the Base Camp? They lost the concept purpose on the concept vehicle.

    I think it will be difficult for the General to sell 100,000 Avs in any model year, let alone the first. And, with the 1500HD Crew available for order now - some sales will go that direction. Will the 1500HD have the Duramax as an available engine?
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    kbb.com

    has price listings for the new 1500HD CC. 6.0 is the highest engine availability. You can only get a GMC as of now though no chevy.

    Ryan
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    No MPG ratings as the GVWR is over 8500# (8600).
    If the higher GVWR isn't necessary, Av still has the ride advantage with the five-link suspension vs. leafs. It will be interesting to sticker these two against each other.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Same engine availability as the Sierra.
  • ryanbabryanbab Posts: 7,240
    Silverado 1500 CC wasnt yesterday
  • lspanglerlspangler Posts: 102
    I worked for the company developing the seals for the Avalanche and I was oneof the engineers in charge of sealing the back og the truck. I left the company about a year ago because it was very poorly managed and I was tired of the customer chewing my rear everytime a vehicle flooded in the water booth. I can't tell you how many times we filled the interior of the Avalanche with 6 inches or more of water in less than 2 minutes. I do have faith that they may get things to seal, my concern would be how well it will seal after a few years of use. Just from my experience on the program I am very interested to see how the truck fares.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Your speculation pans out. I'd like to know what the seals consist of, and if the leaks are around the window or in the midgate area. How were the tests performed? The Borrego concept is to have inflatable seals for the interchangeable tops - are these a possibility for the Av? I think I'd ask for a long-term written guarantee before buying one of these puppies.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    the Avalanche....forget it. I can just hear all the wind noise now....not to mention the water when it rains.
  • I have driven my 1990 GMC Suburban 4x4 for over 10 years, have put 187,000 miles on it and would never have thought anything could replace it. But I think it's getting to be that time and I am seriously considering the Avalanche. We have a 1990 Toyota besides the Suburban and we can now combined the convenience of both the Suburban and a pickup. I hear the side cladding is not as severe on the sale model as in the show. Anybody hear anything about that? All in all it looks like a very retro, clean looking vehicle in my opinion (but everybody know about them).
  • lspanglerlspangler Posts: 102
    The water tests I was involved in were performed in a water booth at the GM proving grounds. It's basically a large shower with the exception that it pumps 9,000 gpm onto the vehicle in the form of mist. There are spray nozzles in a grid both over the truck and on both sides. The biggest problem with sealing this truck are going to be 2 things. 1 - Anytime you try to seal a T joint, you will usually get a small leak and 2 - The way the midgate is constructed, it will allow some movement over sharp bumps so unless the chassis is very stiff you may get intermittant leaks.

    The seals we were developing when I was there are nothing more than your standard rubber seal, nothing fancy. There are drains at each corner of the back window to keep puddle from collecting against the window. The versatility of the truck is quite inspiring, how well GM can pull it off leaves me curious.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    What are the problems with the seals on your 'rado XCab?

    Sharon - The Av cladding is probably pretty close to what you see on the Chevy website. My thoughts on the styling are that the Av is aggressive, progressive, innovative and a gamble on GM's part. They have to get these new features working right. The care they may be taking could be an explanation for the lack of news releases, drives and reviews on this model.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    Is this at the base of the window? Does the cargo cover allow water to pool up against the window and where do the drains channel the water? What leak produced the 6" of water in the vehicle?
  • lspanglerlspangler Posts: 102
    The last I saw, the drains are at each corner of the back window, kind of in the fast back hoop. At first they were to small and the water didn't drain fast enough, now though the water doesn't pool there at all. The big leaker was the crossbar, midgate, glass junction. There is just so much going on there, but keep in mind it's been a year since I left the compnay that was designing the seals so a lot may have happened.
  • lspanglerlspangler Posts: 102
    Sorry, a T joint is whenever you have a seam, like between 2 of the cargo cover panels (there are 3) and the side of the truck. Imagine the line made running crossways on the truck between the two panels and then imagine when the meet up to the side of the truck, it forms a T and they were having a real hard time getting a seal in that type of situation.
  • joelisjoelis Posts: 315
    Why did I even let myself wish that things would be different with this vehicle. For some reason, I was hoping that maybe they had a couple of sharp guys working on this thing to get the complicated seals done properly. Looks like the sharp guys left.

    I'm sure I'll still take one out for a test drive when they show up sometime this summer, but I can already see myself laughing hard as hell at the wind noise it creates doing 75 on the freeway.

    Oh well. Maybe I'll just bypass the truck purchase completely this time around and just go with my new Vette instead. I'll let my wife be the truck driver of the family. LOL.
  • timfarntimfarn Posts: 289
    GM promoted this as dressing up structural components. I think it may have also been designed to keep wind and water off the glass and midgate joints.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    The rear door requires great effort to close as well as the passenger front. Once secured, the wind/road noise is rather loud on the freeway. Something like leaving the door partially open.

    joelis

    How are the seals on the vette?
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