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Acura TL 2006+

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  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    According to Consumer Reports and Car and Driver, the TL is faster than Most BMWs and faster than the V8 300 hp Mustang. The only BMWs that are faster are the M class, and they cost thousands more than the TL. This car is seriously quick and has more horse power than is legally needed. :shades:
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The TL faster than the Mustang GT? Not by anything I've ever seen. The new 330i is just as fast with much less power from the tests I've seen so far. Consumer reports is the last place I'd look for performance testing.

    M
  • tawneycattawneycat Posts: 114
    06 TL will get some new colors
    06 TL will get VCM
    06 TL will have revised front and rear styling
    06 TL will have 8 way pass seat and lowering passenger rear view mirror
    06 TL will have No Bridgestone tires
    06 TL will have lighted turn signals like TSX

    All guesses, remember the 2001 to 2002 change. It was significant and the 2001 buyers were left holding an old car. I hope the 05 to 06 change is not that noticable!!
  • irnmdnirnmdn Posts: 240
    TL is great value around $35 loaded. I suspect Acura management was smoking pot when they priced RL $15k more for just adding AWD,30HP and some gizmos.
    $40-$42k is what RL should be listed for.
  • bhelsdonbhelsdon Posts: 134
    Dalls223 makes me look like a grandma. I am a 28 year old man that loves to drive fast and I think the car has plenty of HP. IMO the Current TL is the perfect blend of luxury and sport. If horsepower is all your interested in then go buy a Mustang GT or a pontiac GTO and save a few thousand dollars. I personally think that 6 seconds to 60 and 30mpg in the same car is an awsome accomplishment.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,487
    Gotta agree, bheldson. What is the hang-up with 270 vs 298 hp? The TL is a VERY quick car. From what I've read as quick as G35 and BMW 330. I guess you and I don't drag race every Sunday at Raceway Park! Gee, the Hemi C has 340hp! I guess the TL should leapfrog that to 400hp (and 12mpg)...

    You can buy more HP elsewhere, but I bought "the whole package" that the TL represents including power, luxury and hopefully reliability.

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    It'd be OK by me if Acura doesn't add another 1 hp to the TL for the rest of its life cycle. I'd rather them spend the R & D dollars on refining the car wherever it's needed.
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    No, you are absolutely right bhelsdon. Good point on the well roundedness of the TL. It mixes all of the elements better than any other car on earth, or so it has been said. In baseball they refer to such a player as a "five tool player." (if they hit for high average, have power with the bat, play defense well, possess running speed, and have a strong throwing arm) When I tell people that my 02 TL-S gets 30 MPG highway, I see their jaws hit the ground. It comes as a surprise to most that a car could have very high levels of sport, luxury, economy, and resale value. Hence a "four tool car." Of course the fourth tool comes because of the generous blend of the previous three.

    However, I am a greedy SOB. I don't want to make you feel like a grandma bhelsdon, but I always want more of everything, especially power. Maybe that is the youth talking though. I am 26 years old myself. However, I would like to see the luxury and the economy improve as well. I don't want a Mustang GT or a Pontiac GTO, because they are deficient in the areas of luxury and economy, even though they have better performance. I don't want to trade off two tools for the improvement in one tool, the engine. The TL may not be deficient in any one area, but it can still be improved.

    One of the ways that Acura can achieve better performance, while still enhancing fuel economy, is to take a hybrid approach to things. We will start to see more of this technology coming in the next five years or so for all vehicles. Lexus has already started moving very aggressively in this area. The new Lexus RX400h that is already on the market is using hybrid technology, as well as the new GS450h coming in spring of 2007, and the 2007 redesigned LS, called the LS600h.

    Get the performance numbers up as well as the fuel economy. Sounds like a good strategy to me. If we put a few more bells and whistles in the TL then that's icing on the "top sport sedan under $40K" cake. Even though, if Acura decided to go the route of hybrid for the TL, then the price would probably near, and possibly exceed $40K. I wonder when we will see this for the TL. They just gave the Accord a hybrid enhanced model. How far will it spread, and what will this mean for the future of not just Acura vehicles, but all vehicles?
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    MORE POWER! MORE POWER! MORE POWER! I am sounding like Tim "the toolman" Taylor. No seriously, I too would like to see more technology inside of the TL, and the RL for that matter. There is so much out there, with the DVD players in virtually every imaginable place. Ventilated seats are starting to become more and more popular. MP3's are everywhere too. I wouldn't even mind if they used better quality leather, like Alcantara, or Montana leather, that is so rich and soft. Rear view cameras are another advancement that is probably going to take the place of rear parktronic eventually. Just some ideas. I am sure that I am forgetting a few.

    As a final note, we should be proud of what Acura has done in the creativity department. Four such FIRST TIME applications in any car: DVD Audio Player with Surround Sound, Bluetooth technology, Sun Sensors for climate control, and last but not least the Realtime Traffic Data. Pretty cool stuff. Now get the other stuff. There I go being greedy again. :P
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    You just mentioned a fifth tool that I forgot to mention, reliability. Honda and Toyota are the kings of the world in this regard. You take it for granted when you drive a TL. That is why I forgot to mention it. Problems. What are those? Oh shoot. Don't want to jinx myself.

    400hp TL. Now that would be just ridiculous. Maybe with the introduction of a hybrid engine it could happen, and get 20-25MPG. Yeah, and be the most street illegal thing you have ever seen.
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    Well this all goes back to my post a few days ago. They made the new RL too short. Actually, when I bought my 2002 TL-S, I was amazed at how little extra legroom there was in the 2002 RL when I sat in one in the showroom. Because of its closeness in size (a mere 4" difference in body length) Acura has either once again set the RL up to fail, or is planning on restricting the enhancements to the TL as to preserve the value of the RL. Someone made a comment the other day about the styling flaws of the RL, when they said that consumers think that it looks too much like an Accord. Well maybe that is because it is barely larger than an Accord.

    Here is the one drawback about AWD being optional for the 2006 TL. Just with the addition of the AWD system, that will add weight, and therefore decrease performance. Of course you would have a car that could zip through the turns, but the off the line acceleration wouldn't be the same. So the hp/torque numbers must be adjusted upward too offset the added weight. It might scare away some enthusiasts if you told them that their car wasn't going to be as ferocious as its predecessor. BMW and Mercedes offer the AWD for their smaller models and notice the same 0.5 second or greater drop in their 0-60 runs. The only difference with them is that they offer RWD, which is way better against torque steer than FWD. BMW and Mercedes use their AWD models as a way of holding the road 365 days a year. With Acura being very basic in its offerings (i.e.-2005 RL SH-AWD only) it may only offer SH-AWD for the TL, with no option for FWD. I have not been convinced otherwise.

    So the AWD being more for the enthusiast is not as big of a deal because RWD offers handling that is considered in some ways as better than AWD, especially on dry roads. That is where Acura has to look at the big picture and not offer a slower AWD version of it's current TL. It needs the AWD to be more composed on the turns, but it doesn't need a performance slip as a result of it. In a way AWD is to Acura, as RWD is to Mercedes. It would be their sportiest offering. Also 10hp, like before with the 2004 redesign, will not make that much of a difference. The G35 sedan went from 260 to 298 horsepower, which is a gain of 38. Even 290 hp might be enough for the TL to pull off the SH-AWD magic, and gain a performance advantage over the 04-05 TL's. And they could do this without infuriating new or "to be" RL owners.

    Hey merc1. If a 300C is an American pig type car, then what is that new SRT-8 300C considered? That is big time hogville.
  • irnmdnirnmdn Posts: 240
    You just mentioned a fifth tool that I forgot to mention, reliability. Honda and Toyota are the kings of the world in this regard.
    Well, both Toyota and Honda had problems with V-6 powertrains (engine sludge/transmission). There has been cases were transmissions were replaced multiple times for TL and odyssey. Never ever heard major problems with Nissan VQ powertrains though.
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    Consumer reports is the last place I'd look for performance testing.


    Why would not consider Consumer Reports opinion? They have professional drivers and are more objective because they don't take advertisng dollars from auto makers. They did say the TL is not as "nimble" as the BMW, sounds like most every professional driver opinion I have heard.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Hey merc1. If a 300C is an American pig type car, then what is that new SRT-8 300C considered? That is big time hogville.

    Well of course I don't consider the 300C or SRT-8 version a "pig" car. I think that Acura would think that about them because of their size and engines. Honda wouldn't be able to conceptualize such a vehicle I don't think.

    M
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    Why would not consider Consumer Reports opinion? They have professional drivers and are more objective because they don't take advertisng dollars from auto makers. They did say the TL is not as "nimble" as the BMW, sounds like most every professional driver opinion I have heard.

    There is nothing to be objective about getting performance numbers, because CR doesn't have a clue if they think a TL is faster than a Mustang GT.

    M
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    immdn:

    I have a confession. My 02 TL-S had to have its transmission replaced, not because it was deemed faulty. It had a very unusual hesitation between gears in sport mode, so my dealership decided to take no chances and just replace the whole darn thing. Of course the whole thing was under warranty and I never had to pay a cent for it. It seems to not be a weakness anymore.

    Hey. Speaking of weaknesses. Did you hear the news yesterday? The Nissan Maxima scored marginal on its crash test rating. :sick: Oh yeah, and the TL scored as one of the best. Read below. I will cover the important points only, for space sake. If you want to read the whole review the link is below.


    Courtesy of:http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/print/CTVNews/1118060524209_78/?hub=SciTech&subhu- - - - - b=PrintStory

    Associated Press

    Updated: Mon. Jun. 6 2005 8:25 AM ET

    WASHINGTON — The 2005 Nissan Maxima and Suzuki Verona received marginal ratings in crash tests released Sunday by the insurance industry. Researchers questioned how well the vehicles would protect occupants in side impact collisions...

    The institute said nine midsize sedans have good ratings in side impact crashes. In addition to the Malibu and A4, they are the Saab 9-3, Acura TL, Lexus ES300/330, Volkswagen Jetta, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord and Mitsubishi Galant.

    Most of the vehicles were tested earlier by the institute, which conducts the tests as the vehicles are redesigned.


    In conclusion, I would rather pay an outrageous amount of money for a new transmission, rather than ending up crippled or worse in the event of a major collision.
  • dalls223dalls223 Posts: 41
    merc1,

    "Well of course I don't consider the 300C or SRT-8 version a "pig" car. I think that Acura would think that about them because of their size and engines. Honda wouldn't be able to conceptualize such a vehicle I don't think."

    TL hybrid baby.
  • tawneycattawneycat Posts: 114
    HP would do nothing for me. Mileage would go down. I get 30 mpg per tank in my 05--really. I drive a 60-65 mph commute of 24 mi one way flat and that is true average. In my 04 I got 32-33 on trips. yes when you flog it the mileage plummetts but nice to know you can get great economy....It is a game with me to maximize this. My wife would get 25 avg on same trip and we would arrive about the same time. How you drive makes a big difference. Wife does Stop and Go.
    Consumer reports likes the TL for well roundedness. It is perfect blend of luxury and performance at reasonable price.
    VCM is the only thing for now that would improve it. I am wary of VCM which my Odyssey has. The VCM models have lower gearing and run at higher rpms to compensate for 3 cylinder use. Bottom line, VCM is good for those who do a lot of expressway driving.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    Dalls, in a post under a different heading, you said "one drawback about AWD being optional for the 2006 TL [is that it] will add weight, and therefore decrease performance. . . off the line acceleration wouldn't be the same. So the hp/torque numbers must be adjusted upward too offset the added weight."

    This isn't necessarily true. When you try to accelerate from a dead stop, a car's weight is thrown backwards, resulting in less friction or grip on the front tires. This is a problem for a FWD car, but not a RWD car. Therefore, you might save a little time on the initial start in an AWD TL. The extra weight might not be as big a performance issue until the car's weight shifts back to normal.

    I imagine the extra weight would factor into mpg and maybe ordinary accelleration, but might be offset somewhat in the 0-60 fast-as-you-can accelleration.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think the TL can easily handle the addition of SH-AWD without any power boost. Would it affect performance and mpg? Yes, the laws of physics dictate that. But not to any significant degree. Afterall, we're not talking about a car with marginally adequate power to begin with. Now, they could offset any added weight with added efficiency and revised ratios from a 6-speed automatic. That would be nice. The Mazda 6 (which is one notch down from the TL) already has one.
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