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1. Don't move the accelerator pedal. Just apply some pressure and let the car build up speed normally. Everytime you "Move" the pedal, you open the fuel floodgate.
2. Don't power up to lights and stop signs. Let off long before and coast up to the stop. Adjust your speed to time the lights and avoid stops
3. Don't power up hills pouring on the gas to maintain precise speed.
4. Don't pass cars.
5. Don't run the RPM up the dial. It is a fuel meter.
6. Don't engage in brake slamming, anticipate traffic and steer around it. Braking is just fuel consumption in reverse.
City driving will never be a measure of fuel economy because you are stopping all the time using up your energy. The only vehicle that makes sense in a city is a golf cart or bicycle.
I am one of the 27 MPG people.
# 1 - sounds a little odd but I will see what happens if I barely touch the accelerator.
I certainly don't hit it hard.
# 2 - I do this.
# 3 - I could do better on this but I generally try not to. When you' end up going 45 mph in a 65 mph highway while going up a hill, things can get a bit clogged and interfere with the flow of traffic. Where I live, there is not much road rage but it does get somewhat crowded at rush hour.
# 4 - At all? Even on the highway when you can go 65 and still pass them?
# 5 - I do this.
# 6 - I do this.
What speed do you go? In 65 mph zone? 60 zone? 55 zone?
Have you seen what mpg you'll get with mixed city/highway driving?
How do you know that you got 40 MPG? Did you do ALL 100% highway driving in your brand new Camry SE? Also, how many miles did you drive before filing up the tank in your car? The only Camry that can realistically get 40MPG is the HYBRID. I don't see how your SE got 40 MPG unless you own the Hybrid model.
I just filled up my 2010 Camry LE 4 cylinder earlier today and I got a VERY LOW 22.4 MPG fuel economy on mine. I went a total of 400.1 miles on 17.1 gallons of fuel. I would say that I did 50/50 city and highway driving this time around. I live in the northeast in New England and it has been very cold up here during the last week. During the last fill-up that I did on January 3rd, 2010, I got much better fuel economy and got 26 MPG. The weather here during the last fill-up was just as cold as it has been during the last week, but I got better mileage. I do NOT know why the fuel economy on my Camry has dropped down so much from 26 MPG to only 22.4 MPG? I am doing all the right things driving-wise. I do not let the car idle and I drive very carefully and very gently every time that I use the car. I also drive under 55 to 60 MPH on the highway.
My Camry has only 1,554 original miles on it and it's already passed thru its 1,000 mile break-in period. It should be getting an overall average fuel economy of 28 to 30 MPG right now, but it doesn't. What really bothers me is that when I used to own my 1997 Camry, it was getting an overall average of 30 to 31 MPG fuel economy with the same exact very cold weather from the very beginning since the very first day that I bought it brand new. My 2010 Camry should be getting the same 30 to 31 MPG as my 97 Camry did, but it isn't. The newer 2010 Camry has a much better and refined engine and transmission and it also has a much better EPA fuel economy rating than the 97 Camry had. But with all of these better engineering refinements, the 2010 Camry is NOT getting the fuel economy that my 97 Camry got. I don't know why?
I am currently leasing my Camry for 3 years until December 2012. The next time that I lease another Toyota, I think that I will lease the Hybrid model. I really need to get the 30 to 32+ MPG overall fuel economy. I am VERY DISAPPOINTED in the fuel economy of the current non-hybrid 4 cylinder Camry. The non-hybrid 2010 Camry should be getting an overall fuel economy of 30 MPG just like my 1997 Camry did. It's a big shame that it doesn't. Toyota overstates its MPG fuel economy ratings on the MSRP sticker on the 2010 Camry LE. It shouldn't say that it gets 22 MPG city and 32 MPG highway when it "realistically" gets ONLY 22.4 to 26 MPG city and highway fuel economy. Toyota is definitely "misleading" everybody with the city and highway MPG fuel economy ratings on the 2010 Camry LE.
I believe that all of the newer 2010 Camry 4 cylinder vehicles are NOT as economical as the older 1997-1999 Camrys. Maybe the very low MPG fuel economy on the newer 2010 Camry is due to all the emissions equipment that Toyota puts into their newer vehicles or because of the Ethanol that's in the gasoline. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that there were as many emissions equipment in the 1997 Camry as there is in the 2010 Camry. Also, I don't think that we had ethanol in the gasoline back in 1997 to 2000.
What do you think?
I would like to know WHY the older pre 2000 (1997-1999) Camry 4 cylinder vehicles all got much better MPG fuel economy when compared to the more refined and better engineered 2010 Camry 4 cylinder engines?
The newer 2010 Toyota 4 cylinder 2.5L engine must be "tuned" to burn MORE fuel than the older 2.2L, 4 cylinder engine that was manufactured between 1997-1999. It's very obvious that the newer and refined 2.5L, 4 cylinder does NOT come anywhere close to getting the better MPG fuel economy that the older Toyota 2.2L, 4 cylinder engine got.
I would really like to see the MPG fuel economy in my 2010 Camry LE go up to and "stay" at 30 to 31 MPG all the time.
I know. It's been very cold up here in New England the last few weeks.
The EPA estimates say the same thing: 22 city, 32 highway.
The EPA estimates say the same thing: 22 city, 32 highway."
I know what you are saying, BUT the EPA estimates said 20 city and 29 highway for my 1997 Camry CE and it got OVER 30-32 MPG overall fuel economy very easily without any problem. What I am trying to tell you is that the EPA estimates for my 1997 Camry CE were MUCH LESS than the EPA estimates for the 2010 Camry LE and that the 97 Camry got MUCH BETTER MPG fuel economy than what my 2010 Camry is getting.
My argument and gripe here is that with all the bull$hit advanced engineering that Toyota put into its current 2.5L i-Tech engine, the current 2010 model Camry LE should be able to get at least 30 MPG overall fuel economy. What good is a more advanced engine and transmission if it's NOT getting the 30-32 MPG fuel economy? Especially on a 4 cylinder Camry.
It's all bull$hit if Toyota has the know-how to build a more advanced and a much better 2.5L engine and transmission and if it cannot get better MPG fuel economy out of this same engine. Toyota has "failed" in my opinion with its efforts to have its newer non-hybrid gasoline engines attain better and higher fuel economy. If so much technological advancement has been put into these current 2.5L engines and transmissions, they should be getting at least an average of 30 MPG fuel economy. This isn't happening and Toyota's EPA estimates for its current 2010 Camry LE are nothing but bull$hit estimates. Toyota should instead state on their EPA estimates that the current 2010 Camry LE is only good for 20 MPG city/24 MPG highway and they should void the 22 city/32 highway MPG estimates.
Only then will they have more accurate EPA figures for the 2010 Camry LE.
I bet that you would get in the high 30's to low 40's in MPG fuel economy if you were driving between 55 to 60 MPH in that Camry Hybrid Hertz rental. If you were doing 74 MPH and only got 32.8 to 33 MPG in it that's not bad at all. You would be getting much higher MPG fuel economy if you drove the same vehicle at a much lower highway speed.
I wish that I could get 30 to 31 MPG in my 2010 Camry LE while driving 74 MPH in it. I would be very happy.
I wouldn't complain if I were you. That's excellent fuel economy that you got in your 2010 Camry Hybrid rental driving at 74 MPH. Imagine what you could have gotten for fuel economy if you drove that same exact vehicle at 55-60 MPH.
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OldCEM
Touche! I couldn't have said it better myself.
I feel the same exact way about the 2010 Camry LE. The Camry's EPA rating is also a sick joke too. Let's all get real here. The newer 2.5L "advanced engineered" (yeah right) 4 cylinder engine should be getting an overall average of 30 MPG fuel economy. It isn't though.
Toyota's EPA 22 MPG city/32 MPG highway rating for the new 2010 Camry LE is nothing but a bull$hit rating. The EPA rating numbers that Toyota states do NOT jive with the "real" MPG fuel economy numbers that the Camry actually gets.
I can't wait until my 3 year lease is up. The next time around I am going to lease either a Hybrid Camry or a VW CC. At least with the Hybrid Camry I know that I will for sure be getting "at least" 33 to 34 MPG overall fuel economy.
And if I select the VW CC, I will at least know that I have a much better looking and better built car than the American built Camry. The VW CC is built 100% in Eben, Germany and it has a much higher build quality than the Camry and the MPG fuel economy is about the same as the current 2010 Camry that I am driving right now (around 22 to 25 MPG).
I am so sick and tired of driving around in a vehicle which should be getting better MPG fuel economy that isn't. :mad:
Toyota should put more attention and care in making the Camry more fuel efficient so it can get much higher MPG fuel economy. The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.
The current MPG fuel economy that the 2010 Camry gets is HORRIBLE and UNACCEPTABLE.
I completely disagree. Maybe for YOU. Sorry to hear that, but my mpg has been great. Of course, I did not worry about it until I had 3,000 miles on it. I got 31.5 on my work commutes - this was in the summer using the A/C, and not all highway. I'll let you know what I am getting now in the winter - I bet below 30, because of the cold. I am perfectly happy with mine.
Regarding the EPA figures, they are estimates. But if you drove exactly as is done in the EPA tests, in the same ambient temperatures, your mileage should be very close.
The older Camry was a stick, and if you know what you're doing, you can definitely get better mileage with a manual.
If you really wanted 30 mpg overall, maybe you should have considered buying a smaller car, such as a Corolla or Fit, both of which are readily available with a stick. Or maybe the gas guzzling Dodge you have is the real problem!
In reality I have averaged 34.5 mpg over 77,000 miles and have had a 10 tank rolling average as high as 39.8 and a 50 tank rolling average as high as 36.2 mpg. Yes I put every tank into xcel.
Give your cars time to break in. Make sure you have enough air pressure (mine dropped 8 psi recently because of the cold spell - pressure drops with temp), use 0w-20 synthetic oil (new standard for Toyota and very efficient), keep speeds down, don't warm the car up in the morning, and most importantly wait for warmer weather.
BTW as I mentioned earlier I have an Accord with the stick so my numbers will probably be hard to match (because of the stick not because it is an Accord). The same principals apply and there will be the same difference in winter mpg.
What psi do you do?
Cold weather, poor traction, stopping for any reason and short trips will kill your fuel economy.
I had perfect conditions back in the Fall when I used the 2.5L XLE for several weeks. I was able to get 36-39 mpg for the entire time while my Prius was in the shop.
85% leisurely highway driving at 60-63 mph and nearly no stops;
90 min trips, none longer, none shorter;
No pressure on the pedal;
Warm to cool weather;
Dead flat terrain
No bad weather to reduce traction.
The loaner had 2500 miles on it when I first got it. I was highly impressed.
As a matter of fact, I actually "did" drive from Massachusetts all the way down to I84 to Hartford, Connecticut early this afternoon. I just returned back home to Massachusetts just a few minutes ago.
I drove 100% highway round trip going down there and coming back home. The speed that I was doing driving all the way down to CT was constant between 50 MPH and 58 MPH. Then when I was driving back home to Massachusetts from CT., I was doing a constant speed of 50 to 55 MPH during the first 1/2 of the way home and then a constant speed between 55 and 63 MPH during the second 1/2 of the way back home. The total distance from my house in Massachusetts all the way to Hartford and back was exactly 159 miles.
Just so you know, I filled the tank up in my Camry yesterday afternoon. The trip odometer in my Camry LE was also reset to zero (0) after I filled the tank yesterday, so it only had 22 miles on it earlier this afternoon before I left Massachusetts for the trip down to Connecticut.
After doing the round trip from Mass. to CT. and back home to Mass., I now have a total of 181 miles on the trip odometer in my Camry.
With all this driving, the needle on the gas gauge is currently positioned exactly on the "first smaller line marker" that's located just below the 3/4 tank thick white line marker.
So far, I used up a little more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline to drive a TOTAL OF 181 MILES of which 159 miles were 100% ALL highway miles and the other 22 miles were 100% all city miles driving around town.
(159 miles all highway driving + 22 miles all city driving = 181 Total miles driven)
I "estimate" that I already used up between 5 to 6 gallons of gasoline driving a total of 181 miles since my full tank gas fill-up yesterday because the gasoline gauge needle is located currently just below the 3/4 tank line marker right now.
If I do the MPG calculation using 5 gallons, I get 36 MPG fuel economy.
(181 total miles driven/ 5 gallons used = 36 MPG)
If I do the MPG calculation using 6 gallons, I get 30 MPG fuel economy.
(181 total miles driven/ 6 gallons used = 30 MPG)
I am not sure if my calculations are 100% correct, but I think that I got either 36 MPG or 30 MPG fuel economy driving a total of 181 miles since the last time that I filled up the tank yesterday.
What do you "THINK" that my current "TRUE" MPG fuel economy is right now after driving a total of 181 miles and using up a little bit more than 1/4 of a tank of gasoline?
From all of the information that I've given above on where the current location of the gas gauge needle is located one line just below the thick while 3/4 tank line marker, do you think that I burned 5 gallons of gasoline or 6 gallons of gasoline driving the 181 miles?
What do you think? I would love to hear from you what your views are on what you really think that the "true actual" MPG fuel economy is right now from the current 181 mile trip that I took in my Camry LE with all the driving conditions and driving habits that I listed and stated above and from where the current location of the gasoline gauge needle is currently located?
THANKS
Therefore, if I use the 5.5 gallon and the 5.75 gallon consumption figures with the total 181 miles already driven I get 32.9 MPG fuel economy and 31.47 MPG fuel economy.
(181 total miles driven/ 5.5 gallons gasoline used = 32.9 MPG fuel economy)
(181 total miles driven/ 5.75 gallons gasoline used = 31.47 MPG fuel economy)
What do you think is the "more realistic" MPG fuel economy figure here given with where the current location of the needle on the gasoline gauge is currently located right now?
In very cold weather and slipperier conditions I'd estimate a 15-20% decrease in fuel economy; i.e. into the low 30 mpg range.
Driving back home to Massachusetts from Connecticut it was evening and dark out and it was colder than it was during the daytime hours probably around 22 degrees to 27 degrees Fahrenheit. Also, the weather during the evening on the way back home was clear/cloudy but cold.
My '04 Camry consistently takes 60 highway miles just to go from "above full" to the "full" line on the gauge. And I usually stop filling at the 2nd or 3rd click, just to get the $ amount to the nearest 5- or 10-cent interval.
One caution though: putting in only a small amount of gas leads to greater errors in mpg calculations. But unless you have another long trip planned soon, this will finally give you an idea of the potential highway mpg.
If you are that interested in mpg then a scangauge is a must. Just buy one and install it. It will tell you all you need to know about mpg. www.scanguage.com
There are at least 3 gallons left in the tank when it reads empty. I doubt you have even used 5 gallons at just below 3/4 tank. No way you have used 6. (scanguage will tell you)
A rough way to figure the highway mpg on a tank that has x miles of city is to multiply the city portion by a factor that will raise to the highway mpg. In other words the 22 miles were 100% city and city is about half of highway mpg (give or take depending on the city). So assume that you would have gone closer to 40 miles if that city was highway. That gives about 199 miles if your driving had been all highway. That is excellent for just over a quarter tank (most likely less than 5 gallons). You are right about 40 mpg and on target.
Until you actually take a full tank highway trip or get a scanguage it is all speculation though.
And I keep my tires at 38-40 psi. I checked them two days ago when it was about 20 degrees out and it was down to 30.5 I raised all 4 to 38. Of course when it is below zero they will be low again, but will be around 40 psi at 30 degrees or so.
I just looked on the scangauge website and they have the "SCANGAUGE II"
Is the Scangauge II the device that I should purchase or is there another type of Scangauge that you are referring to in your post? I want to make sure that I purchase the right Scangauge device.
Also, how is the Scangauge device attached and connected to the vehicle? Do I need a mechanic to attach and connect the device? Will the Toyota dealer attach and connect the Scangauge device for me? I would like to know.
THANKS
As Kiawah said it is very easy to install. Just plug it in. There is a small amount of setup, but anybody on this board should have no problem.
That really $ucks. I would think that you should be able to get "at least" 30 MPG in your 2010 base Camry 6 speed manual even in the coldest and snowy days. I used to EASILY get 30 - 31 MPG on my 1997 Camry CE 5 speed manual EVERY WEEK during the coldest and snowy days ALL WINTER LONG. In the summertime I got 31 - 33 MPG.
I am very happy with the 31.5 mpg on my normal commutes though. I only have 5,000 miles on it.
What type of vehicle is your "tank" that you are referring to here which gets only 5 MPG? What year and make and how many miles is your other vehicle which you call a "tank"?
I think the sentence above is what is confusing you. Kiawah is correct, I mean tanks of fuel, because I calculate my mpg after each refueling. I am saying that I have some readings that are 5 mpg less than my typical averages, and it is because of the cold and snow, and/or more short trips. And I am saying that this has happened with all of my cars for as long as I have owned cars. They all have significantly less mpg at times, specifically during the winter. 31.5 down to 27.7 is just because of the cold and snow and maybe a few more shorter trips. There may have been a few even worse readings, but I don't calculate mpg at every refueling, because there are some that just know will be very low due to cold, short trips, only topping up the fuel tank, whatever. I am not very anal about it, because I know it can vary a lot. I specifically focus on mpg when the trips are typical (my commutes) in good weather, not many short trips, etc. If I have a lot of idling (in a traffic jam, etc.) I just wait until the next tank of gas.
I am VERY pleased with the mpg on my 2010 Camry. It is getting just what I would expect it to on my commutes. I will let you know when I do a long trip.
I had a short nice time today driving my 2010 Camry XLE.
Just fill the tank today and after 1 mile city drive took the ramp to the high way. I couldn't believe my eyes as the bord computer was displayign 46.4 MPG with a speed of 58-60 Miles/h (really not speeding but slow enought than other cars). I drove more than 12 miles with 46.0 - 46.4 MPG at 55-60 miles/hours. Later on I was able to have the board computer display 50.2 MPG. At this time I feelt like I don't want to live the toll road any more. Unfortunately I had to take the next exit where I live and when parking the car in the garage still with 46.0 MPG.
Forgot to mention that today we had like 68 ° in texas so no cold weahter.
Tomorrow I'll try it again. But If I'm unlucky and have trafic at the light and the time I'll hit the toll road again I'll be probably by 36.0 MPG.
Here the story: I've noticed that right after a full gas filling the milenage is pretty high specially if you drive like 1-2 miles city and then get on the highway where you can maintain a speed average of 55-60 miles/hous you'll have great gasmilenage. But once you stop inintersection (red lights) then this will drop and you'll be by 29-30 MPG.
BTW: The odo reads actually 2290 Miles and I've read that at the beginn before the engine really break in the the real MPG will vary.
Since I have the car the worst I got was 27.8 MPG in the city.
Any one else could make the board computer display those numbers?
FYI: Only possible after a gas filling. Right after that drive in the city. You'll (hopefully) be arround 27 - 28 MPG. Now Once you let the car roll (no speed up, no break, just let the car roll) when approching a light or intersection It'll jump from 27/28 to 33/35 MPG and with that number being displayed on the board computer if you take the highway It'll stay like that.
Just don't know If it has somethink todo with opening and closing the gas cap even without filling up gas. I've noticed that always after a gas filling the board computer is re-computing the gas milenage and that how I can "trix" him. I'll try It the next time open and close without filling in gas.
Please give It a try and post your experience here in the forum.
Moral: Never stop, or try to stop as few times as legally and safely possible.
The gas pump stopped and "clicked" the first time around exactly at 17.775 gallons. I ended up adding more fuel into the tank until the gas pump clicked at the "6th click" at exactly 19.05 gallons.
If I calculate the MPG fuel economy with the 17.775 gallons at the "first click" of the gas pump, I get 28.309 MPG fuel economy (503.2 miles/ 17.775 gallons = 28.309 MPG)
But if I calculate the MPG fuel economy with the 19.05 gallons at the "6th click" of the gas pump, I get ONLY get 26.414 MPG fuel economy (503.2 miles/ 19.05 gallons = 26.414 MPG)
Which is the "TRUE MPG"? The 28.309 MPG or the 26.414 MPG? Or would you average out the 2 figures at 27.36 MPG (28.309 MPG + 26.309 MPG/ 2 = 27.36 MPG)? What do you think that the "TRUE MPG" fuel economy for my vehicle is right now?
ALSO, I am confused about something else here. If the gas tank in my vehicle holds ONLY 18.5 gallons of gas and if I was able to put 19.05 gallons into the tank during the fill-up tonight, then does that mean that there was still 1.275 gallons of gas in the tank and in the fuel line that goes from the tank all the way to the engine (19.05 gal - 17.775 gal = 1.275 gal)?
WHY was I able to put in an extra 1.275 gallons of gasoline in the tank? The engine on my vehicle was still able to run when I pulled into the gas station before I filled the tank up with gas. In other words, I didn't run out of gas. My engine was still running after I pulled into the gas station.
Does this mean that the 1.275 gallon "difference" that I calculated was gasoline which was "still" in the tank and in the fuel lines? Is this correct? I would like to know.
THANKS
Does anybody in here know?
THANKS
If on the other hand you tracked for each of 5 consecutive gas tanks, then you would have a one gallon error, on a basis of about 90 gallons or so of gas. It start to becomes immaterial.
Don't overfill your gas tank, just fill it to the first or second click off. In some vehicles gasoline can get into the fuel evaporation system and you can ruin a charcoal canister.
You don't have to run the tank nearly dry; it's not a good idea (both for you AND the car).
The engine is definitely not fully broken in at your mileage; I'd say 5000 miles is a reasonable mileage for full break-in, but not a hard and fast number.
And stop worrying about one tank or another. The only think that matters is how many gallons you pumped to get to 5000 miles. ( 5000 / x gal )
The next measurement is 'how many gallons did you have to pump to get to 10,000 miles?'
You are not anywhere close to your best mileage due to a very young engine. You won't see your best mileage until 40,000 miles plus. The 'break in' you speak of is just to rub off the high points on the moving metal parts. However, the parts are designed with very close tolerances and with today's good oils they won't loosen up for a long time. You should be getting the same 'best' mileage well past 100,000 miles.
Also, I think you are driving yourself nuts about 'clicks' and 'lines on the gas gauge'. Just use full tanks and fill to the first click. It all averages out with time.
The new engine should be better at efficiency because of the higher torque, but don't baby it. It has six speeds to shift efficiently as you accelerate. If you accelerate too slowly it just stays in lower gears longer than necessary.
You will find your fuel economy better if you use cruise control. Your gas mileage can be 10% lower if you don't use it.
It IS possible it has a problem, but at this point no-one can tell because its too new. Wait till spring and we can advise you more.
BTW, both my 1999 and 2004 4 cyl autos get very good mileage on the road...35-37mpg at 72 cruise for the 1999 and 36-38 for the 2004. I can't even quantify any drop in the winter as long as there is no snow on the road. I have a neighbor who is anal about gas mileage and just bought a 2010 4cyl auto. I'll let you know what he is getting.
Drem
I've got almost 2,700 original miles on my 2010 Camry LE right now. I just did a fill-up on January 30th and the MPG fuel economy DROPPED on my Camry to 23.9 MPG. During the fill-up before this one, I got 26 MPG. We've been having very cold weather up here, so maybe that's why the mileage dropped so much this time around. Also, I didn't do that much highway driving on this particular tank of gas.
I am hoping that the MPG fuel economy will get better when spring and summer come around. I am not very happy at the MPG fuel economy figures. I don't drive beyond 55 - 60 MPH on the highway. I should be getting better fuel economy in my Camry. I am starting to get the feeling that some Camrys get high MPG fuel economy while others do not. Maybe mine is one of the ones that gets the lower MPG fuel economy? I am used to getting 30 - 32 MPG from the 1997 Camry CE which I used to own. The lower fuel economy in my current Camry is telling me that my vehicle either hasn't broken in yet or that the very cold weather up here is limiting the vehicle's ability to be more economical.