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A word to anyone who has a problem: If you feel it is a legitimate problem, be persistent, document EVERYTHING and stand your ground. PCNA want's you to be a customer for LIFE.
porsche will have a spec about how much oil consumption can be considered normal so i'd look at that data first. it's not clear how fast your car is consuming oil - did you check oil yourself at delivery time? are you checking it at same spot, same-level long enough after the engine is stopped?
usually i see oil consumption of less than a quart per 10,000 miles - on all of my many vehicles. the most i have seen a quart consumed per 4000 miles (GM LS1 V8). faster consumption than 1 quart per 4000 miles would annoy me but i recognize that it is still well below what GM specs would allow before they would do any warranty-investigation/repair/replacement.
are you babying the car or punishing it during breakin? my recommendation is to punish the engine massively as soon as the brakes are seated - use the entire rpm-band often, give maximum-throttle often, staying within acceptable speeds of course, use much engine-braking as well as accelerating. (btw, i've never owned a porsche, yet.)
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You need to do a lot more reading before you ever do (own a Porsche). Or a high performance "M" car, "AMG", Honda S2000, etc.
Porsche clearly recommends to keep the RPM's below 4k (reline is 7,300) and vary engine speed during break in. I've also been advised to drive the car for a minimum of 20 minutes during break in so that all engine components, oil, etc. reaches full operating temperature.
I'm sure it wasn't ill intentioned, but your inexperienced advice - "punish massively" - is precisely what Porsche would like to do to you for giving it, and any Porsche owner dumb enough to take it. May I respectfully suggest you borrow an owners manual before you drop $60k to $100k+ on the car. Or any car with a bit more engine refinement than a push rod GM.
As for oil consumption in a boxster style engine, 1 quart per 1,500 to 2,500 miles is considered average. A lot more should be checked out. According to two seasoned service managers.
so habitat1, may i borrow your owners manual for one night, and your $60k to $100k porsche the next day for a little break-in cruise!? i know you porsche guys like to baby your cars so much, so as a 20-year Z28 driver i offer to break it in for you.
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I was washing my 2006 Cayman S and noticed a white plastic flex tube extending beneath the car, passenger side, under the floor boards. What is this tube?
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Ooo La La... I loved it. It was speed yellow w/6spd and not heavily optioned. I think the sticker was $65k or so.
As much as I liked it, hard to justify that kind of money on a car with no backseat. (I know I know...)
We have a pristine 1986 911 Cab; at least that has two jump seats.
I told the salesman to call me when the Base Cayman comes in for me to drive.
But, here is a question... That speed yellow Cayman S has been on the dealer lot for at least 3 months. I wonder how much they would want to deal on that one... It either hasn't sold because it is speed yellow, people are picky, or they won't deal...
Anyone have any thoughts?
Thanks,
Stacy
Speed Yellow: I was coaxed into ordering a 2006 Spped Yellow 911 Cab S to replace my 2005 Seal Grey. However, when the buyer for my Seal Grey went MIA, I decided to keep it. I had received at least 12+ legitimate calls when I had advertised it (only once) in the paper and cars.com. When I randomly asked the callers how many would have been interested in Speed Yellow, the answer was none (0). Granted, bad sample, since they were calling on a Seal Grey, but many said they would also have been interested in Silver, Black, Atlas Grey, Midnight Blue, etc. Personally, I like Speed Yellow, especially in the Cayman and Boxster. But I think it's a hit or miss color with other buyers and it looks like your dealer has been missing.
Cayman S: I'm wondering how it's doing sales wise, noW that the initial pent up demand is gone (if there ever was much). I've recently met two recent buyers of base 911 coupes that were both initially interested in the Cayman, but, like you, had a tough time justifying $60-$65k (after nominal discounts) for a 2 seater hardtop. They cut deals in the low $70's for nicely equiped base 911's. Both mentioned that, had it not been for the 997 redesign, they might have gone with the Cayman S over the former 996.
Deal: If you really like that Speed Yellow Cayman S, I'd be tempted to offer $2,000+/- over invoice and see what happens. I hope, however, that since it's been at the dealer for 3 months, it doesn't have 500 miles worth of 50 different test drives. I wouldn't buy any car that's been through that.
I think the car has 60 miles or so. The test loop is small and the dealership is not a volume seller like in Houston or Dallas or even Austin.
I mention the 911 with the jump seats because at least I can say it has seats. ;o) We have fit a grownup back their with the top down. Given, they were sitting sideways...
I guess it comes down to do I want to spend that on a brand new Cayman or another used 911. Decisions decision...
Their base Cayman is sitting in port waiting to be released. The salesman said I can be the first to drive it. I need to see if that $10k in price is worth the horsepower difference. Then again, if they were really willing to deal on that yellow one, it wouldn't be an issue. I actually love the idea of INVOICE. ;o)
I know, I know, I'm dreaming!!!
Thanks for the responses...
Stacy
I inquired further regarding that speed yellow that has been sitting on their lot. The story I heard was that Porsche "gave" them a few cars and the yellow was one of them. It has been there at least 3 months; if not longer.
The salesman didn't "wiggle" in any way. I guess they do not need to or want to move it??? I mean, he didn't even suggest working a deal for it...
Oh well...
I have had my Cayman for 3 months - it is the most fun car I have ever owned. Go by the dealer, write him a check for what you are willing to pay, let him reject your cash - I doubt he will if your offer is reasonable. In Boston you can get $4K off without even getting into tough negotiations.
Like you I also have a BMW 330, mine is a 2001 convertible. I only have 30K miles on the car and my plan was to trade it in for a new Boxster, when I drove the Cayman I had to have it instead. I ended up keeping the BMW for sunny day top down drives but nothing beats the Cayman for thrills.
Good Luck.
I'm thinking I need to wait and at least try the Base Cayman.
I'm not getting red of my 330ci. I just got it a few months ago and LOVE it!!! The Cayman would actually be my husbands daily driver.
The kicker is I have too many cars... We have a PRISTINE 1986 911 Cab. He would have to give that up to get the Cayman. He also has the option of ugrading to a newer used 911.
So, we go back and forth a lot. I think we'll know when the time is right; the "DEAL" just has to be there. ;o)
P.S. The new car and driver has a good article between the BMW Z4 M Coupe and the Cayman S. I wish I could have both. ;o)
Stacy
I was able to negotiate about 7% off a 2006 carrera that had to be shipped from 1000 miles away (and dealer ate $800. shipping cost).
1.) find a dealer that is hungry - not all are the same - the 'premier dealers' would not be my first choice.
2.) know EXACTLY what you want...build it first on the porsche website. Hasve em find it at another dealer - they can check all cars in US, en-route, and in production. Find what you want and make an offer.
3.) assuming you are qualified, start 10-15% below sticker when the salesman suggests his first #'s. I don't care if it's a porsche, toyota or whatever, i won't pay sticker.
4.) be prepared to give a deposit ($1000) and they will have care shipped. If your ready to buy they will negotiate.
5.) I have lots of time so i visited at least 6 dealers (this is SoCal), checked inventory on their website, and had alot of them calling me. Porsche is implementing a system whereby each dealer can check to see if you've given your name to another dealer (e.g. 'shopped' there)..not functional yet but will be soon - don't think this will change the dynamics as they all compete for your business.
You should get your cayman in th high 50's. $65 is getting close to a decent deal on the base carrera.
Good luck to you.
Actually, I think we have decided to look for a "gently" used 911. We went to Austin over the weekend to look at the Caymans because they had more in stock than in San Antonio. We wanted to see the different options in person. Then, they had a 2003 911 Carerra Coupe with 11k miles on it. We drove it and loved it. It was minimal on the options, which we like. They were asking $57k for it. (Red Tag Special)...yada yada yada...
We didn't come home with it, but it gave us something to think about. New Cayman or used 911.
I actually think we are now leaning towards a newer 911. However, if you say I could get a base carerra for $65k, that is very very very appealing...
I agree with you, I NEVER pay sticker and I don't care what kind of brand it is... I'm not afraid to walk away like a lot of people. ;o)
So, say I configure a base carerra to about $74k on Porsches website, what numbers would you start out with?
There are just too many options...Cayman, newer used 911, etc...
Decisions Decisons...
Thanks for the advice...
Stacy
Stacy
I agree totally. I didn't have a problem with the black brake calipers, the blacked out front air dam or smaller wheels on the base C compared side-by-side with the CS.
Both are very nice cars.
Stacy
Oh, no doubt.
be available in the US?
Contemplating my 1st Porsche purchase. Considering Boxster,
Cayman Convertible (when available) or used 911 Convertible.
Appreciate advice from others .
Thanks
Next year, the Boxsters get the same engines as the Caymans.. at least according to Car & Driver...
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..Replying to: carnaught (Jul 17, 2006 5:37 pm)
The one thing I didn't like on the Base Cayman was the wheels. I think I would upgrade to the Base to the standard wheel on the S and I would also delete the model designation. Other than the horsepower and some vanity items, the Base is good!!! I also prefer the 5-spd over the 6-spd. The S is just a little harsher of a ride compared to the Base and as a daily driver, I would prefer the Base.
..what does the base Cayman show for a sticker price?
tks, ez..
Defintely more down than I would have liked, but the payment is less that my Suby OBXT, so....
My beautiful 2006 Cayman-S sustained its first damage, a direct hit from a Home Depot hand cart. The black plastic fender just anterior to the rear tire and the body frame beneath the door took a hit. I was dismayed to see that a lifting jack is not included with the car(!), and there was no way to reach two special screws in the wheel well without removing the tire. I improvised with a pair of pliers and a screwdriver tip that goes in a drill chuck. I ordered the plastic part on-line with my Miami, FL dealer and will make a future trip to repair the dent. Select the following links (copy and paste if hyperlinks are not created) and view some images of the damage.
http://www.pbase.com/adamstuart/image/65788362
http://www.pbase.com/adamstuart/image/65788409
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I'm hearing at least $7K off MSRP for 06.
On the other hand if you do need a real back seat (as opposed to the kid sized ones in my 911), the M3 is hard to beat.
If you want to test a comparable BMW, you should be looking at the M Coupe.
Personally, I don't think anyone is building a true "sports car" with a back seat today. Until someone does, I'll just keep my E30 M3, thank you very much.
My kids would take issue with that statement, as they fit quite comfortably in the back of our 911S Cab. So do 2 sets of golf clubs. But 6 footers will come out a little twisted.