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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion
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I'm an auto reviewer, and that's my opinion. Many other "auto reviewers" aren't objective. They are getting paid by guess who. And I've owned 3 Fords.
That aside - I don't think the Sonata LX's interior was cheap at all. And my wife's Camry's interior was good. The Accord is SO much more refined, even in the lower priced trims, than any of the competition.
Yea, if this is Ford's answer to the CamCord then HonToy have nothing to fear. Maybe the Milan is nicer. I'll check it out - give em a chance - but the bar is set pretty high by the Japanese in this class.
The Fusion's reviews have been extremely favorable when the car was first tested and by itself.
But in the last two comparison tests, or at least in the MT one, autoreviewers noted some less than steller interior materials for the Fusion.\
It's a vast improvement over the Taurus, but it still isn't as nice on the inside as the Accord, Camry or Sonata.
And as many folks in here know, I drive and Altima, and I think the Altima is below ALL of them, including the Fusion, but I don't find the Sonata's interior to be all that spectacular either.
The point I have been making all along is that if Ford and the GM wanna get back into this game, they have to be BETTER in most respects than the Japanese and NOW the Koreans too.
I think the Fusion will help Ford tremendously though! There is no doubt in my mind about it.
However, I only believe that the Fusion is slightly better than the Camry (a car that is up for redesign) and doesn't have the refinement nor features of the Accord...but it cost a great deal less than the Accord too so that's a fair tradeoff.
I agree with you maxamillion, the refinement of the Accord does put it at an advantage. There is no arguing that.
And yes you will find auto reviewers that say different things. But when you actually drive the cars and then read the reviews you come away with an impression of who is being paid off. And interesting how we can site at one point that the reviews aren't reliable and then in another post, site how the Fusion has received two bad reviews. I thought they weren't reliable? Anyhow. In the bad review of the Fusion, it beat the Sonata, so what does that say.
I do believe that GM and Ford need to pull out all the stops with their products to regain market share. The fact that there is a debate as to whether the 3.5 will go into the Fusion, shows that there is a serious problem. This is the first year of the FUsion and it seems to be off to a fast start, if next year they actually put the safety equipmrnt in the car standard, add the 3.5 engine, and give it manu-shift, now we're talking.
However, the quality of the plastics in a car doesn't help to make what is important to me (my wife and kids) safe in an accident. The Fusion couldn't must 5 stars in the standard tests, tests that are not new or suprising to Ford. They can't take the time to design a car to pass known tests that EVERY car in this segment is measured against?
Maybe they should have spent a little more time with the structure engineers and a little less with the interior design team.
Wait till you start wiping fingerprints off that glossy black trim on the Fusion every day and you'll appreciate the faux carbon fiber or wood trim on the other cars. Toyota did the same thing on the lower-end Siennas and I can't understand what they were thinking. It's like a black car: nice looking when it's new and clean, but awful when it's dirty or scratched--which it will be almost immediately.
As for radio height, that's an interesting point as multiple reviews have highlighted the convenient placement of the Sonata's radio, and also the location of the HVAC controls vs. the buried location on the Fusion.
Well first off I don't see much of what is said about the fusion as being "negative", but with everything said and done I would pick the Milan over the Fusion. Basically they are the same car with only a sligh price difference. Given that the Milan has a couple of additional points to it would make me pay the few hundred more for it.
Sorry folks, not everybody likes to drive a missile. The 221 is adequate and I think to MOST Americans it is very comparible to the rest in this category.
I tend to agree with you, as long as the car can keep up with traffic and accelerate to reasonable highway speeds on a typical on ramp then that should be enough. Realistically in the city no matter how fast you can get off the line there will always be someone in front of you. In the country it is more about maintaining a reasonable speed. Low 200's in these cars should be enough for most drivers.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
1) V6 runs on REGULAR GAS unlike the rest
2) Better exterior style and equal interior design
3) Head turner - I you are single want to mingle this is the one to get in the mid-size segment.
4) More nimble - fun to drive like the madza6
These are the main reasons why I think Fusion will be the #1 selling mid-size sedan in America in 3 years.
Just curious where you get your info. Per Honda's website, the 4 cyl and 6 cyl run off of regular.
I was told that the Sonata 6 and 4 ran off of regular as well, but I haven't looked on the Hyundai site yet to verify.
At least this way you would know that the lady isn't just dating you for your car - LOL
1.) spend the extra couple of hundred bucks and get a Milan, it would be better chum.
2.) I wouldn't want the fish that takes that kind of bait.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
If the attractive young lady that is currently featured on the Mercury ads (you know, the gotta add Mercury to your list girl) would take Milan bait, I would be at the Mercury dealer in a heartbeat were I single.
Anyways since now that dating is a major health hazard (wife would kill me) I am not that worried about it.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
06 Accord EX v6 was not considered because BMW 325 and Lexus IS250 are far better in terms of status, value, and fun for about 30K. Since our kid will drive the car for about ¼, BMW 325 and Lexus IS250 are not on the list for they attract too much attention.
Both 06 Sonata LX and 06 Accord LX auto can be purchased at about 20K in this month. We did test drive. Rides for both cars are about the same. The handling of Sonata is more like that of Nissan Maxima and is better than that of Accord. 06 Sonata LX won acceleration and transmission performance. The past five year history of reliability is about the same (JDPower, CR, and MSN); more importantly Hyundai actually has been improving. The consumer reviews from MSN, Yahoo, and Edmunds show that the 06/05 Sonata owners gave the same or a higher rating for their cars as compared with the 05/06 Accord owners. The 06 Sonata has more and better safety features, better crash test result, and better warranty. However, 06 Accord is more popular and has a somewhat better interior. We decided to buy 06 Accord LX a day before buying 06 Sonata based on its popularity and interior. However, after carefully reviewing all the above factors, we concluded that the comprehensive safety features, better crash test results, warranty, leather seats, excellent transmission, 235 HP all aluminum engine, and for 06 Sonata LX are worth a lot more than the somewhat better interior and popularity for 06 Accord LX. We purchased 06 Sonata LX. After driving a while, we know that we made right decision.
So you bought both the 06 Accord and 06 Sonata? Did you keep them both?
I still think Ford is making a great move with this new Fusion. I only wonder how long it will be before rebates will apply to be able to sell them. Ford has priced them reasonably to sell them as they are IMO. I happen to like the chrome look up front. The American public will dig it, too. I gaurantee it.
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All the 4 reasons you mentioned mean NOTHING to the largest segment of midsized buyers in the market. 800000+ buyers want a basic 4c utility vehicle - not a V6 head turner.
This is the main marketing flaw of Ford and GM. The new Fusion/Milan may very well appeal to the periphery of the midsized market and be a good seller but it doesnt speak to the heart of the market. It misses the CamCord buyer and goes to the shrinking numbers of Ford buyers. That's life.
They are both 2006 model Sonatas. Only difference is that one of'em is Korea only model and the other one is American model.
Korean Models
http://icarpos.net/newcar/images/0410_d1_4.jpg
http://carzmall.com/becommunity/board_dir/25/catalog/20041204/ca0_nfs-2.jpg
Korean model sonata dash board light is either orange or blue
American model
http://carsmedia.ign.com/cars/image/article/641/641527/first-drive-2006-hyundai-sonata-200- - - - 50812115923194.jpg
Official Hyundai Sonata Website
http://www.hyundai-motor.com/common/html/showroom/flash/sonata/main_ui.html
The Sonata does offer a lot for the $, but who knows how it'll last. Big question mark there since its a new model built in a new factory. Kinda like Saturn. It started out great and then............
I am not sure that this is true (not sure that its not either), do you know the ratio of 4 cylinders vs 6 cylinders in the midsize car market? Lets say its true, the Fusion does come in a 4 cylinder version at a reasonable price (much less than the base CamCords).
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
3) Head turner - I you are single want to mingle this is the one to get in the mid-size segment.
4) More nimble - fun to drive like the madza6
Is this what consumers want in a mid-size car?
Still wouldn't buy it tho over an Accord. Or the Sonata LX. And can't wait to see the 07 Camry. Good luck to Ford. Are they gonna pull a GM?
nationally..
85% 4c vs our store 90+% 4c
15% 6c vs our store <10% 6c
Accord ( ~450K units p.a. )
80% 4c I'm estimating .. <i>isell...?
20% 6c
Altima ( ~350K units p.a. )
80% 4c I'm estimating
20% 6c
Hyundai just announced last month that they too were concentrating their resources on their 4c business.
For the top three models thats about 1.3 Million units total with about 80% ( 1 Million units ) as 4c.
I believe that Ford slipped up in not introducing first a feature-laden 4c like Hyundai has if they were really serious about fighting the CamCordAlt's. Their loyal V6 lifetime Ford buyers will stick with them with the traditional V6's. It's the conquest sales they need to win from the other three. The message from Ford by delaying the introduction of the 4c is 'not here.. go see ToyHonNis if you want a 4c utility vehicle'.
i was immediatly comfortable in the sonata driver's seat. the others didn't seem bad, though.
driving is a whole other catagory than the interior, but you do have to look at the interior and use it every day.
i have an '04 focus, so i don't judge a vehicle just on the interior.
Which confirms my point that ya gotta drive the cars for a true test. I really think a better test is the 24 hour test drive thing. Get a much better feel for the car's everyday offering.
So I've driven all 4 of these vehicles. My ranking
1. Accord
2. Camry
3. Sonata
4. Fusion
FWIW
My own personal ranking after driving 3 of the 4 is:
Sonata GLS
Accord EX
Camry LE
These were all 4 cylinders. I also drove the Sonata LX and thought it was a fine car, but I've not driven the Accord or Camry V6s in a long time. I would buy the 4 cylinder; I only drove the V6 Sonata because it was during an open house event for the new Sonata and they had LXes sitting there waiting to drive. I am waiting for the I4 Fusion to drive it--my local dealer hasn't had any the two times I stopped in.
When the '07 Camry comes, this could all change of course...
1. Accord
2. Fusion
3. Sonata
4. Camry
I decided that before I even say the CD comparo. The 07 Camry I don't think will change my mind. It is still big and bloated. I say a black Sonata today and it was real sharp looking. The interior really urks me on that car. The Fusion, I'd give a nod to before the Sonata because I like the driving dynamics, looks, and interior better. I too went to a car show last weekend in Hartford, CT. The Fusion with the piano black trim, I do not like. What I am planning to do if I buy one is get the Wales Mahogany that is offered in a Mercury and place in it. That's the plan as it stands. The Sonata is close though, very close. I also don't understand why you can't get a Sonata with black interior.
Nope. I just came back from a visit to the Honda dealer and sat in an 06. It has the same seat material. I actually dont mind the mouse-fur feel. But after having leather, I don't think I can go back to having fabric.
It's true, I rented an '05 Camry in eastern Idaho a couple months ago and, although the car is put together well and drives nicely, it is so mundane looking it isn't funny. Toyota best be doing some decent body designing on that thing. It looks horrid.
It sounds like the Fusion will drive well when pushed, and will ask to be pushed harder. A sporty kind of rig. Ford has priced it fairly competitively, too.
I was reading Car and Driver and their comparo of these four cars, and from just a looks standpoint the Hyundai Sonata stands out very nicely. The one in jet black looks great with its foglights on.
Ford designers prefer the black Fusion and it does look good. It would be between the red and the black if I were to spring for a Fusion. The 4-cyl.5-speed is available and that is good-that's the one I'd go for.
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Now for your other comments. It would be wise for Ford to cater to a younger, more driver orientated niche. These are members of the Y generation. They are only out numbered by the Baby Boomer generation which are graduating to more expensive cars. One of Toyota's main problems is that young people simply refuse to buy them. By young I am not talking 18 year olds, I am talking the 25-35 year old crowd. If Ford can grab these people's interest, and give them a product that will gather some brand loyalty, that would be a smart move. Also you can get an old man to buy a young man's car, but not the other way around.
I have read the news. Ford is having some woes... but not with the Fusion. It is actually off to a fast start. They have the Edge on the way next year which is very good and a new more competitive engine and tranny.
I will say this. Ford needs to pull out all the stops. That is where I see their biggest flaw is. Tune that 3.5 to be the most powerful engine in its class, put in a manu shift six speed tranny, and put the safety equipment as standard. Aim squarely to be number one in something that matters to people. The real claim to fame for the Fusion right now is styling. That's a good start but we need more.
If I had to buy a Fusion, it would be a redfire red one, with the black on beige interior, SE V6 (or perhaps 4 banger. I would then go to the aftermarket and get the Milan's Mahogany Wood for the front console and door panels. Just thinking about it gives me the shivers.
By the way where in the he?? did you get that 25-35 years old? This is the problem. You know why Toyota is doing well? They dont do assumptions. If you see their line up, there is nothing to get exicited about, but they are selling well. Renault is similar.
Absolutely wrong with this statement. Maybe for the Camry with its soft ride. But have you ever driven an Accord? Its got a racing heritage and the car feels like it should be on a track somewhere. Tighter handling than the Camry and more road feel.
When you see the Focus lowered and rimmmed and punked (like a million Hondas) then maybe its "dynamics" will be validated. But you can't just make a car and gain instant credibility and acceptance, which is what Fusion is trying to do. BTW haven't seen one on the road yet.
Why do some of you people hate Ford so much? I have had a 99 Contour Se for 4 years without a single problem and believe me when in say I drive this baby hard. I am not saying Ford has been stella. I think they are on the right track unlike GM.
#1 sport coup - Mustang
#1 selling SUV - Explorer
#1 pickup truck - F150
pretty soon Fusion will be joining this lineup