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Hyundai Sonata vs. Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Ford Fusion
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I would rank them as follows:
Honda & Toyota
Ford & Hyundai
Then, there's also Kia...
The American car companies are now terminal and on life support.
The Japanese had better watch out - the Koreans are about to eat THEIR lunch.
The Koreans had better not get too smug - China is on their tail.....
Really? I just checked KBB.com and came up with $2,525 (a little more than what Carmax offered) trade in and $5,525 for retail.
NADA came in a few hundred less on both.
Looking at the used car section I see a 2000 Elantra for sale at $5,990 with 112,205 miles on it. And one with 103,000 for $4K
Plus you cannot use comparably equipped cars. When you do the original MSRP of the Honda is much higher than the Hyundai.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Acura
Honda
Infiniti
Lexus
Toyota/Scion
Subaru
Suzuki (based on one vehicle, the Japanese-made SUV)
Pretty good company, yes?
P.S. In the 2005 report, there was no "too soon for fair comparison" on the Sonata. Also keep in mind that the previous-gen Sonata was designed before Hyundai's quality initiative began in 2000. There has been a huge leap in the quality and reliability of the Sonata and other Hyundais since then.
Lets face it it Honda and especially Accord has rested on its laurels for too long:
1) No rear disc brakes std
2) No auto locks when car goes in motion
3) No roadside assistance
4) all the safety features it lacks - I articulated in post #2618
5) Oh and one of the cheapest warranties in the business 3/36 come on give me a break. I had my wife's Pilot in the other day because the horn would go off for no apparent reason the car is not even 3 years old but has 38K on it they didn't want to cover it I had to talk to service manager - pretty sorry.
They are simply losing their edge to Hyundai and Toyota. It is that simple.
I have to agree with you here, Honda is losing badly. The Accord just lost the C&D/CR comparison and came last, the new Civic's sales are down and the Accord's sales are down. Honda's sales in general are at an all time low!
Oh wait...the Accord came first.
Oh yeah, and the Civic's sales increased by 56.2% and the Accord's by 9%.
Actually, Honda's division's sales increased by 24.4%.
This company is losing badly, I have to face the facts.
A fully loaded Sonata LX has a MSRP of $23,495
A fully loaded Accord EX has a MSRP of $27,850
So its 18.5% more, is a accord 18.5% more? No it isn't.
And for others, the extra 10-20% paid for an Accord or Toyota will more than pay for itself in resale value, or if they keep the car for the long run, pay for itself in less repairs.
Not sure about that my sister pays a lot more in repairs for her Toyota than I pay for my Elantra.
Now as for repairs outside of routine maintenice I put $0 into it (plus no warranty work) for the first 131,500 miles. Just two weeks ago was the first non maintenice work I ever put in it and it was replacing a sensor for about $200. My wifes Accent $0 in 85-90k miles. My Daughters Elantra $0 if about 85k miles. I know many who have high mileage on their hyundais and have spent very little on repairs. I know few, if any, that pay a lot.
131,500 Miles with nothing going wrong, no stalling, started every time (even sub zero weather), no leaks, no lights going out, no squeaks, no rattles, no rust, nothing. You cannot argue with that. And please spare me the "Your lucky" comment because most people get plenty of worry free miles.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Camry and Accord have NO black X's. Only red check marks since 1997. The next publication won't be out until April, 2006 which will include 2005 models. The year has to be over before they can publish year-end results.
The "too soon for fair comparison" is common sense. Anything looks good in the first couple years. Everone loves their new car. Look at the models that are in the red in 02,03,04, and start falling off as the vehicle gets older. Even Mercedes sucks. Hyundai has better ratings than they do.
It may very well be a great car. I just won't risk it until they have a longer and cleaner record.
No but when I back it up it does support my case. You do realize that?
Plus it seems you're AOK with the cheaper things in life,
Lets say the less expensive things. I really don't like paying more for the same thing.
The Sonata is cheaper than an Accord EXV6, but nowhere near as refined.
I know one or two ex Accord owners that will disagree with that statement.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
And remember the old Chinese proverb "He who laughs last laughs loudest."
The immediate dollar rules every decision with no regard to future consequences.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Why? because its evidence of Hyundais quality? Many more hyundais have gotten many more miles than that.
Now please get rid of it and buy a New Sonata!!
Why? I want to see how much I can get out of it. I wonder if it can beat the 300k+ the Chevy got. Plus I got a Caddy for fun
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Rear disc brakes are standard on all but entry level models. Auto door locking will be on next years' models, I've heard. It's already on Civics, but frankly I don't give a damn. I can push a lock. Personally I'd rather know I made the choice.
I'd call Honda Customer Service about that horn. Sometimes you go beyond the dealer.
I guess this statement won't apply presently, but possibly in the future. But you have to remember this is just a prediction. No one can tell the future accurately, it is simply a prediction that may, or may not be true.
I was just explaining to you that Honda isn't doing bad, as you seem to illustrate in your post.
They fixed the horn without charge after "alittle talking about it". If you know what I mean.
Edmunds can help with these stats.
You'll see what I mean.
Last Saturday, a mid-90s Accord LX about to be placed on the wrecker's hook. But, it could also just be something totally unrelated to reliability? Come on guys, "any" car can break down, as cars are at the mercy of the owner's maintenance, or lack thereof.
One could honestly make the statement that all of today's cars (even the European and Korean makes) are far more reliable than those cars of the past. Remember the days of changing the plugs/points/condensor every 12K, and that's the least of it.
Overall...in the long run....over 15 years of history....these vehicles prove to have the least amount of mechanical failures. Get used to it.
Cars do get flats, people do run out of gas, people still lock their keys in their car, batteries don't last forever.
When's the last time you saw a Honda on the side of the road?
Saw one today.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Really?
I just checked, today's closing price is 28.94 US. The 52 week Range: 23.75 - 30.36. Of course, Honda's market cap may not be large compared to Toyota. For a relatively small company, Honda is doing well.
Thanks for your participation - see you around the Forums -- I hope in a more civil environment.