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Porsche - the world's best car company.

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    To its credit, a RAnge Rover would probably kick a Cayenne's butt in severe off-road conditions. These are not really comparable as they look.

    No reason for us to get "ugly". British Rover was really talking about the older design, which is truly "classic" and in fact as iconic a cultural symbol as the shape of an old Corvette or an older 911 or a Gullwing. Can you ever watch an old jungle movie without seeing one? (I'm still mad at Jurassic Park for using Ford Explorers).

    Newer safety regulations and modern tastes do not really allow for those clean, very simple lines of the past.

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I'm still mad at Jurassic Park for using Ford Explorers

    If I'm not mistaken, they used Mercedes ML's.

    And if I were going off roading, I think I'd still favor a Landcruiser or GX470. They may not have the ultimate capability of a Range Rover, but the maintenance and repair issues on the Discoveries, Range Rovers and LR3's amoung our friends and neighbors has been pretty dismal. The exception had been a friend who has a Range Rover Sport since late 2005 and never had a problem, but just two weeks ago, he was disabled for a week with an automatic transmission glitch.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,889
    The first one used Fords.. I think the Mercedes was in the sequel..

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Just checked and, right you are, the ML was introduced with ads for The Lost World sequel in 1997.

    Hard to believe the original was in 1993 - 14 years ago. I'm getting old. :cry:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    I was quite pleased when T-Rex crushed the Explorer but really disappointed that he didn't eat those obnoxious children.

    I suspect this was not the type of product placement Porsche was looking for :P

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  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    I was quite pleased when T-Rex crushed the Explorer but really disappointed that he didn't eat those obnoxious children.

    Reminds me of a "Far Side" cartoon with two large polar bears coming upon an Igloo. "Boy, I love these - crunchy on the outside, gooey on the inside". :surprise:
  • highenderhighender Posts: 1,362
    Well....to be honest, I am pretty biased when it comes to Porsche...:-)

    I still think the Cayenne, either the S or Turbo, is the best SUV , bar none, in terms of overall package and the original definition of "" SUV "" >>> meaning "sports utility vehicle."

    turbo goes from 0-60 in 5.2 sec...better than many sports sedans or sports cars.... very good for a heavy SUV ( understatement)...

    Plus it can really go off road...an important consideration, since Porsche wanted to sell many to MiddleEast and other parts of the world where the roads are not as developed nor as good as those found in the US.

    We love the vehicle. We love the sports...we love the utility. Well, there is a lot of jealousy....Range Rover had to make the supercharged sports edition, to compete against the Cayenne, in terms of sports.

    Well, I can see why some people who use and see vehicles as merely forms of transportation, to denigrate a great vehicle. Like Sex is just reproduction to some people.

    The IMAX film "" SPEED "" used a Porsche Cayenne in one of its scenes... that should speak volumes.

    Many people can afford a 911, maybe even a turbo 911, but with kids and lots of things...the Cayenne is jsut more practical. We had a Boxster S, but sold it due to lack of space for kids.... But what a great handling sports car....

    To be fair,, I think the interior design of the RAnge Rover looks better. BUt some people feel it is more cluttered...which I disagree. I also like the looks....of both. We had lots of people stop and give a thumbs up for the car.....
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I still think the Cayenne, either the S or Turbo, is the best SUV , bar none, in terms of overall package and the original definition of "" SUV "" >>> meaning "sports utility vehicle."

    Err but it doesn't really have that much utility.

    It has the smallest cargo area in its class. It rides like a tank, and it is the least reliable Porsche. Some years of the Range Rover are marked ahead of it by JD Powers.

    We have a Cayenne on the lot a fair amount of the time because people trade then in for Range Rovers and Range Rover Sports. The minute someone test drives them back to back with a Range Rover Sport they lose all interest in the Cayenne.

    Their first question is usually something like...

    "Why do people pay extra to have that harsh uncomfortable ride? If I wanted a Sports Sedan I would get one. That kind of Ride is fine in a Sports car or sedan but in a SUV it is just uncomfortable."

    Like you said it is a 5,000 lbs SUV and you know what you shouldn't try and drive it like a sports car because it isn't. It is too heavy, it is too tall and you will just get yourself in trouble.
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  • texasestexases Posts: 5,530
    What do you all think about Piech's recent statements about the Cayenne and Panamera being too big, the wrong vehicles, and they'll radically change (or drop) them at the next update? Here's More
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,595
    I think Piech is exactly right, like all cars Porsches have gotten too big and too heavy
    and there's too much intramural model competition within the VW stable

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  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,132

    "Porsche's top managers will soon be drawing up a new expansion plan stretching as far as five years beyond existing targets as the carmaker comes within reach of a 200,000-sales goal, sources familiar with the matter said.

    Booming demand for SUVs may push the share of luxury four-by-fours of overall Porsche sales to 63 percent by 2018 from 47 percent last year, IHS said, thanks to the new Macan which will compete with BMW's X3 model and the Mercedes-Benz GLK.

    But the steady push for volume does not thrill everyone at Porsche which advertises itself as a "manufacturer of exclusive premium cars."

    Porsche Eyes New Targets as 2018 Goal Hit Early on SUVs-Sources (NY Times)

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  • scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531

    Considering Porsche's results since the original 2005 Forbes article, they are certainly 'one of the best' car companies if not 'the best'.

    Porsche's board of directors looks very wise in the 20/20 hindsight mirror.

    Sales have more than tripled, from 54,234 in 2005 to 162,145 in 2013.

    Profit margins are holding in the 18% range, at the top of the industry.

    Strangely enough (to me) the volume and profit star for Porsche is the Cayenne series.

    Cayenne sales in 2013 were over 84,000 units - about 52% of all Porsche sales.

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