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Also, I prefer Mazda people working on my car rather than Ford.
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I wanted to thank everyone who posted on here because it really helped me make a decision between a RAV4, Kia, and Hyundai. I thought the M5 was the best deal for a car that offered carry more than 5 people and was under $20K. I've been driving a 98 Pontiac so driving the M5 has been smooth and easy.
The buying experience was relatively painless, quick and almost enjoyable! Since I wanted to put no money down and therefore needed financing, I was at their mercy. Except for 2 minutes wasting my time with the "gap insurance" and fabric protectant sell(I know they have to try), the finance manager was great too... It's nice going to the dealership with a price you're satisfied with. Very much recommend them if you've done your homework ahead of time. Hope that helps!
In the last 24 hours I have received four phone calls from very rude individuals who each have given me a different story as to why I was late $90.00. I responded to the first call prior to researching the issue and stated I would send the amount immediately. I was then called three more times after that and was told they did not have an automated system to record the first calls.
I asked to speak to a supervisor and was given the name of an individual who does not even exist in the company. I was given a fax number and faxed a copy of the check to that number. When I went to call the person I had faxed it too I was told he did not exist in the company. Eventually after four more calls I found that in fact the fax was received and the issue was being researched.
Conclusion undoubtedly the most rude, arrogant and dishonest company I have ever done business with. I personally would not buy any product from Ford Motor company in the future including Ford, Volvo, Jaguar, Lincoln etc. If you do I would strongly recommend not financing through either Ford credit or Mazda.
While the financial future of this company in tenuous they have decided to abuse the customer probably as a strategy to maintain a dwindling cash flow. I also will not do business with the dealer Scott Mazda in Allentown PA.
I have filed a report with the FTC re the harassment by Ford Motor Company by telephone. The number of calls especially given the amount was excessive. The manner of the call agents varies from passive aggressive to out right hostel. These are cruel nasty people. They seem to find pleasure in harassing their consumers.
I have been looking for a van and test-drove the Mazda5 today. They have 0% for 36 months right now. I was considering that, but now that I know it's Ford Motor Credit, FORGET IT. If I do buy the car, I'll stretch the payments for 60 months and borrow from a regular bank. Or, just buy the Toyota or Honda.
I've financed two cars through Honda and never had any problem.
I was quoted approx. 21,500 on the 2009 Mazda5 Grand Touring. I didn't even try to bargain as I'm still researching at this point. They told me that they really need my business and were up front about being very willing to negotiate to make me happy.
I would research the financing a little further, last time I heard as of November Chase was going to be Mazda's bank when it cam to their financing and NOT Ford anymore. Don't quote me on this, but that is what I had heard last month.
Chase also acts as Subaru's finance arm..
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Basic car, pearl white paint, no extra options and no financing.
kbb.com is quoting these numbers at the moment:
msrp 21,395, invoice 20,062, market (blue book) 19,460.
Not clear to me if the blue book is out the door or not; if yes, we overpaid.
2009 Mazda5 Grand Touring w Navigation
Price paid: $22248.22
Total with Tax/fees/surcharges etc: $24423 (Car is registered in San Francisco county where sales tax is 8.5% )
Buying experience was just OK. They made us wait for almost 3.5 hours to do the paperwork. (This was after the price had been negotiated!)
Didn't buy one yet - can't decide between that or the civic yet.. Just thought I'd give my input. Don't want anyone overpaying.
Go with the MZ5, more room and lots more standard features then Civic for the same price.
Now, if they are selling it for that price, for sure is a 2008.
I don't think it's really that hard to get the Mazda 5 in the $15k range anymore - no matter the year. With the economy in such a slump - everyone's slashing prices to get rid of inventory.
The deals out there are only getting better.
I think the older Civics are fun to drive - but the newer ones are getting "fu-fu."
We're basically wanting the wife to have more room with the kid - plus something that we're able to haul stuff around with - basically a glorified grocery getter.
The only thing that I'm don't like about the 5 is the mpg. It seems low - for such a low output motor.
Oh, and my Civic was a 99, it was nice but not fun to drive, the Mazda5, even as a grocery getter model, it is quite fun to drive, test drive one (and if its manual even better)
And why did they go to the trouble and expense to put second row vents but not connect them to the heat? Why just AC? Weird.
Love the controls on the steering wheel - especially the stereo mute! Love the space inside. I swear it is bigger inside than outside!
But the worst is the headlight angle. GOT to get in to the service dept and get them fixed. We live on rural highways and can't see more than a couple hundred feet ahead if that without the brights on and there is too much on coming traffic to keep them on. I am really afraid I am going to hit a deer!
But overall we LOVE it!
I'm in eastern PA and have been shopping for an '08 Model with my first quote being very impressive without much negotiating: Automatic '08 Sport with Pearl Paint, All Weather Mats, and Bumper Guard:
MSRP: 19,923
Invoice: 18,758
Price: 17,058
I know there is $1500 of dealer engagement cash on the '08 models and it looks like they're giving up ~$200 of holdback as well. I think the dealer engagement cash for the '09 is $1000. If it's only a few hundred bucks difference, I guess it's a smarter move to go for the '09 model year.
I have disliked the unreachable rear dome light and missing sunglasses storage. I was also unthrilled that the rear vent/blower does not send heated or cooled air to the passengers. It just sucks whatever is nearby. Kind of cheesy.
Otherwise my wife and I are really pleased with it. It has been said many times before, but the microvan parks like a motorcycle. I swear, it maneuvers around a parking lot like my Sentra. Plenty of power and extra easy access to the middle seating area. I have even sat in the third row for around-town driving and haven't been unhappy about the experience. (I am 5'10", might be less happy if I was a few inches taller.)
New poster here. Sure wish I had found this forum last friday. I now realize that I could have had an '09 Mazda 5 for what I paid (~17K) for a used 07 with AT. The TMV prices on the website must be stale. We paid about $500 over Used Private Party price and got it from a dealer so I thought that was acceptable.
I guess the dealer incentives and desperation to sell new cars has not caught up with TMV, which shows people paying 20-21K for a new 09. Some of you are getting them for a lot less than that!
The one I bought has only 4500 miles and still has new car smell. The dealer was calling it a Sport based on VIN but everything about it indicates Touring. If it is a Sport, it has had all the upgrades that a Touring has.
Part of the reason for the crummy deal was we had a trade-in of a 99 VW Jetta. Our 17K price for the Mazda5 is based on getting 4K for this car (private party blue book is about 5K assuming repaired water pump). It was going to need some repairs soon. If you had told me before all of this started that we could get 4K for that car doing no more than washing it and handing over the keys we would have jumped at it. So we got rid of the old one but ...
It gets worse. We get there Friday night after haggling for hours the night before and I had talked them down to what I thought was reasonable. They finally produce the CarFax I had asked for earlier. Turns out it was a repo. Okay. We'll still do it. Go through more paperwork and time. My 30 weeks first-time pregnant wife is going from excited to very tired. Then we found out since it was a repo, it only has a single key and no remote entry. Why we didn't walk out right then is something I'll ask myself forever. It was late and we signed the papers. Got it in writing that they would give us keys and a remote entry "at cost".
Now we have to shell out ~$400 for new keys! Oh, but it gets better (not!). We apparently have the "klunking" problem due to bad bushings in the 06-07s. And the automatic locks (with the one key we have) are tempermental. I'm going to check tonight if we have the AT "stall" between 2nd and 3rd gear. We are scheduled to go into Mazda dealer service on Thursday. The "klunking" and locks should be covered by the warranty. The keys we have to shell out for. Does anybody have any idea how to find out what "cost" for these items actually is? Their quote for new keys is only about 15% off retail price.
I can not recommend Cutter Mazda in Honolulu. I can't claimed they ripped me off when I knowingly signed the papers, but I didn't get a good deal (as I now know from this forum) and they pretty much told me after the deal, hey that's what you get for buying a used car - go see the service department.
On the bright side, I'm confident we'll get the keys, get the locks and klunking fixed under warranty, and will go on to love the car. Even in spite of all the problems, my wife loves the car and we think it is going to be great for our new family. And as dumb as it sounds (and believe me I'm feeling pretty dumb!) it's got this silver color with a green tint that we think is really cool.
Thanks for reading. Venting has been good therapy.
aloha
So you see buying used is not nessesarily bad (unless you got reamed) you just have to take care of what the previous owners did not do or keep up with. I got an awesome deal on my MZ5 ($12,495 out the door including all fees) so I could not pass up the offer since I needed a bigger vehicle for my growing family as well (wifee has one cooking in the oven).
Also, about the keys, tell that Mazda dealer to shove it and pick up a couple of them on ebay, You can get them for about $50-70 shipped each instead of the $300 the dealer wants for them.
Finally, make sure you make that dealer pay back all the agony they made you and your wifee go through and bug them to replace anything that comes up under warranty. Payback is a female dog and working for a dealership myself I know that there are ways to get stuff covered under warranty, you just have to either make a good (and I mean good) friend at the dealership or bug the crap out of them to the point that they will do it just to not hear you nag. Sad but true!
Anyway, welcome and aloha!
thanks for the welcome and reply. We'll I can say one thing: it's a good thing that it's me that's angry and my pregnant wife who is happy instead of the other way around!
Believe me, they are going to get to know me real well down there at the parts and service department. We're making a list.
I'd love to pick up a couple of remote keys on eBay, but unfortunately you have to have a working one already to get a second programmed, and we're starting from zero. Any idea how to find out what is "cost" for this part?
thanks again
price paid: $19390 + TTL (based on $3500 kelly blue book value for a '99 Jetta trade-in, buying an '07 Mazda5 and trading it in too)
I've been at the Cutter Ala Moana Mazda dealer every day the last 10 days except Sunday. First to look casually, then to look at a low mile '07 (post above), negotiate on the '07, buy the '07, argue about the cost of making me a key, ask them to undo it and put me in an '09, come back and ask again, and come back and ask again, all to no avail, and then I get a call today. The original salesman I had worked with the first time 9 days ago called me this morning to ask how I liked the car! I told him I had just dropped it off at the dealership a half hour ago to get a new key made for $400, fix a klunking sound due to bad bushings, get the locks fixed ... I was definitely not happy!
He took it to the dealer General Manager and also got a different sales manager involved than the one I had been dealing with for the past week. By phone we got closer to a deal. I came in and haggled for another hour or two to get the deal posted above.
The first night I walked in the dealership I could have had the car for 18K + TTL although I doubt I would have gotten blue book for the trade at that price. I figure the whole deal (buy an 07, trade it in 6 days later, buy an 09) probably cost me $1000-$1500 more than if I had just bought the 09 in the first place. But at least now I'm happy. I'm going to save $1000 compared to buying used by using 0% APR financing this time. Car will have more value down the road because it's 2 years newer. 5 speed AT, other little things they improved over the '07 made it a good deal.
I went through hell and I put that dealership through a little hell too. Obviously I have mixed feelings about Cutter Mazda in Honolulu but all's well that ends well. I have nothing but great things to say about "David". I know I'm not supposed to post names but he's been great to work with and saved the reputation of Cutter Mazda in my eyes.
Now I can get on to simply enjoying our new Mazda5!
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I traded in a 2002 Saturn L-100 with 61.5K miles on it for $3800. I felt like I got took a bit there. I felt $4K was more appropriate but they said they go by Black Book Values, not Blue Book, Edmunds or NADA...it always seems to be some one else they base their offer on. Fortunately their final offer on the Mazda5 was a couple hundred dollars lower than what I thought they would settle on so I figured the lower Mazda5 offer made up for the trade-in offer.
I also put down $4500 and will be clamping down on all expenses until I get it paid off. Not going out to eat gives the wife an incentive to agree to hurry up and pay it off so we can resume that activity again.
I did a lot of searching and I think getting a Mazda5 out the door for $17K might be optimistic unless they come up with some rebates next month but given the sales for the Mazda5 are on of the few vehicles that have increased I don't think there is much of a chance of rebates being offered for the 5.
Good luck
After the ordeal with the key on our '07, Mazda USA ended us sending us a $300 gift certificate to get a new one. Since we got a new '09, we're going to use the gift certificate for the Mazda seat covers. We're happy.
Do the prices quoted seem in line with what is going on? TMV and CarsDirect are higher, but I guess they do not reflect the dealer engagement money.
Also, any idea what the MEPP Total Care extended warranties go for? I am hoping to purchase today.
I figured I had a better deal, when I sat down and asked for the 0% financing, they went back on their promise that they would add only 500 to the price, and stood at 1,000 additional. Still a better deal by 250 from the first dealer, but I dislike being lied just to come into the dealer. I'll give the other dealer a chance to match the 250 and if they don't, I'll end up buying from the ones that "misquoted" me.
No one wants to quote a price on the MEPP because "there are so many factors, we need the computer." What computer? I know the plan I want, the miles and time frame, there can only be one price!
P.S. Anyone figure out what the deal is with the owner incentive program (Is that a dealer or the manufacturer program? If it was a manufacturer program, I think I missed out. I have another Mazda.)
When you choose the 0% financing, you do so "in lieu" of (instead) the $1,000 "dealer engagement" money that apparently Mazda has on the 2009 Mazda5. The 2008 has $1,500 "dealer engagement" money.
Price of vehicle + Tax + Tittle + License + Documentation + Tire + Financing (if applicable) = Total Out The Door Price
You mean to tell me that in addition to this, Florida resisdents have to pay an adittional fee?