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I'm sure the mass majority of the car industry thought Toyota would NEVER be able to pull off what it did with lexus. FACE IT! The asian culture is renowned for taking what other countries do and making them BETTER and cheaper. I have no problem with this. As they say, "All is fair in love and war." In this case, war is business... Show me one person in 1990 who thought that the company who makes a trecell and a celica would be able to branch off with another company and sell vehicles that cost upwards of 60,70,80,90 and even 100K... I'm sure definate that you didn't! :shades: :P
Hyundai has more than a fighting chance. They have the automotive industry buy the balls and it's just a matter of time before they squeeze!
They have the automotive industry buy the balls and it's just a matter of time before they squeeze!"
Do you actually really believe that? :confuse:
Gee whiz. I seriously hope not!
All the big automobile maufactures including Government Motors are simply shacking in their boots.
I hate to think that the American Automobile buying public will start to accept
such poor quality automobiles as my 2007 Hyundai Azera has turned out to be! :lemon:
such poor quality automobiles as my 2007 Hyundai Azera has turned out to be!
I disagree with the whole notion that Hyundai has the industry by the "jewels", but I will say they are staking a serious claim.
Is your 2007 Azera truly a car of poor quality or is it simply the quality of the ride you have an issue with?
I would hate to think that one would base the quality of a company's entire line-up based on a single vehicle.
Regards,
JCS
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You failed to mention that while the rear seats adjust (recline back), they are also heated & cooled. There's a rear seat entertainment center that flips up from the front center console and controls are nestled in the rear center arm rest. I am 6'2" and I adjusted the driver's seat for my driving comfort and then climbed into the rear seat behind it. The back of the front seat was at least 6" away from my knees (which were in front of me in legs closed position). In the Genesis, it was like 2-3" difference. In my Azera, I have to sit with my legs apart for the seat back to be about 1" from my knees.
The trunk has a power trunk lid, vanity mirrors that fold down from the ceiling for rear occupants, suede headliner, heating/cooling vents all over the place and a cavernous trunk. The feel of the car inside is truly above that of the Genesis 4.6 Tech...which says a lot because that interior is nice, but the interior of the Equus is clearly head & shoulders above the Genesis as well. The Equus is also equipped with an adjustable air-ride suspension
It is indeed a very beautiful car and I can't wait to see them on the road...better yet, one in my driveway!!!
What you get when you buy an Equus
Just opinions, and from photographs, so take it for what it's worth.
Honestly, I like the looks of the Genesis better, as the Equus hood ornament is too "over the top", and the third box (trunk area) of the Equus is almost Cadillac/Origami-like with the sharp edges. Also reminds me of late design Q45 in the rear, and screams "I've given up on style, and just want the value". There's a reason Infiniti has put that Q45 out of it's misery. They really have turned the corner with the new M. If I hadn't just bought the Genesis, I would have to look at a V6 M over the Equus.
read any latest M reviews. none of them are positive. and honestly, i think it is too bulbous. it just looks like a bigger G. no wonder Acura still outsells Infiniti.
Luxury: Is it the car or the brand on the car?
Look how impressive Equus looks against the King, S. Equus stood its ground against the mighty S. I actually like Equus in some angles.
some snapshots
http://tinyurl.com/ycrtuso
http://tinyurl.com/y8q5oad
Infiniti M looks like a bigger G with absolutely zero road presence.
http://www.insideline.com/infiniti/m37/2011/2011-infiniti-m37s-full-test-and-vid- - eo.html
It's been seven days. Seven. And nobody has noticed this 2011 Infiniti M37S we've been driving. Nobody. Not our neighbors.
Yes, it's a subjective matter, but even people in the Infiniti board are not impressed with the new design direction of Infiniti. I would gladly buy loaded Equus over loaded M56 and save 10 grand. that's just me.
In regards to the new Infiniti M56...yes, it will have more power than the Equus with the 4.6 V-8, but there is talk of Hyundai coming out with a 5.0 V-8 to possibly go in a long wheelbase version. Speculated output of the 5.0 would be about 425 hp. Insideline did a good write up on a comparo between the Infiniti M56 and the Benz E550.
One big difference is that Infiniti's goal is to create a sports sedan whereas the Equus will truly just be a luxury sedan. The M56 is going up against the likes of the E-Class, 5-Series and cars of that ilk. The Equus on the other hand is going head to head with the S-Class, LS & 7-Series.
In the end, it boils down to preference and certainly...everyone will have their own opinion. Hyundai certainly has come a long way in the style department, Infiniti is actually just now starting to do what they should have been doing all along.
Hate to say it, the fair comparison would be between the Infiniti M's vs. The Genesis sedans.">link title
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
The M does not have awkward styling, in fact most have praised the new body style and the interior as excellent and much much better to the styling and interior it replaces and now is up to par with its current competition from BMW, Lexus, and MB!
The problem is, the E and 5 are much better bang for your buck and refinement compared to the M. The problem is, Infiniti improved everything with the new M compared to the old, but they didn't do nearly enough and it will age terribly quick considering the redesigned A6 and GS will be out in another 1-2 years, and another refreshing of the 5 will come!
Just saw the Motoman video, and view of the Equus impressed me.
I stand (humbly) corrected. Now I wonder if I should have held out for the Equus.\
Though, like Motoman, I still think the hood ornament is Over The Top. Mercedes has one, sure, but they break off, and they're SUBTLE. This is too Rolls like.
Next time.
We shall see though...the end of 2010 and the beginning of 2011 will be here before we know it!!! :shades:
Go to www.hyundaiequus.com and go to the gallery. I believe these depict the North American Equus with the exception of those photos labelled "pre-production."
While I'm at it, let me comment on the price comparisons with the LS460. I keep reading everywhere that we are supposed to be comparing a $55K Equus to a $63K LS460. But the Equus should be compared to an LS460L, as the dimensions of the two are almost identical. If the base Equus is equiped as I think it will be, I think a comparable LS460L would be about $80K. That's enough difference to get a lot of people's attention.
With the dimensions of the Equus already being almost identical to the 460L, I wonder what target the Equus LWB model would be. I know they are trying to figure if a long wheel base version of the Equus would be a viable move or not.
$80k vs. $55k...yeah, who wouldn't want to pocket $25k? :shades:
I don't see why they'd need an LWB version.
* 2011 Hyundai Equus: This new flagship sedan will go on sale this summer with a price tag around $55,000. It's larger and more luxurious than the current Genesis and will feature a V8 engine only.
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I guess Hyundai still can't engineer a luxury car ride. If there is the slightest bit of harshness on my test drive, it'll have a snowball's chance in hell of making into my garage. Evidently the Genesis chassis was not modified enough.
Inside Line 2011 Equus Full Test
Some Sport With Your Plush?
As we noted in our First Drive from Korea, the ride quality of the 2011 Hyundai Equus sits somewhere between the feathery Lexus LS and the firm-footed BMW 7 Series. Instead of floating over the road like the Lexus, the Equus feels heavier on its feet, more like it's pummeling the bumps with its big 19-inch wheels and tires. On the flip side, the Equus has less body roll than the Lexus and feels more buttoned-down through big sweeping corners.
And does it have to be "new", or could a dealer use an existing but different building, maybe remodeled (like a defunct Saturn dealership, for example)?
My local dealer has no space to build or expand anything at their present site, so it looks like they are out of luck for the Equus.
It was held last night at Rick Case Hyundai and they had on hand the 2011 Equus Ultimate that will be in showrooms is a couple of weeks.
It was NICE!!! and was able to play with all the goodies.
They also gave each and everyone of us a bottle of "Equus" wine
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Uhh, the top-of-the-line LS460 comes w/ an adjustable air suspension.
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That review may be a bit out of date.
Hyundai has since made adjustments all around according to The Car Connection which has driven the Equus 3 diff. times.
"Now, we've had a shot at the final production Equus. The third time's definitely a charm, since the 2011 Equus has been tweaked to give it better handling, which in turn raises the stakes in the luxury bona-fides lottery.
Hyundai's changed the suspension settings noticeably since we last drove prototypes outside of Seoul, and it's entirely for the better. The 4.6-liter, 385-hp V-8 remains a good and faithful companion to hurtle to 60 mph in under 7 seconds, and the Equus lets in just the right kinds of noise and vibration so you're sure it's working underhood. The six-speed shifts willingly, too. It's swift and quick, and the 429-hp, 5.0-liter V-8 coming in spring will no doubt boost the performance score we give to the Equus over on TheCarConnection.
It's in handling that we had the slightest of qualms with the Equus: those early cars drove with less precision than the Lexus LS, and well off the pace of the BMW and Benz sedans. The Equus has seen some significant suspension tuning in the past three months--engineers describe shock and bushing changes in vague terms--but it's clear from a run across the Skyline overlooking HGM HQ in Palo Alto that the Equus can now rifle off switchbacks as well as or better than the Lexus, with some of the taut ride control of the bigger Bimmers and Mercedeses. The Equus' electrohydraulic steering is pretty lovely, too--it's the ideal blend of motors where they save energy and hydraulics where linear, consistent feel are required. The vagueness at traction limits from prior drives has gone away, and what's left is an appealing driving "smallness" that doesn't go harsh at all, even with 20-inch wheels and tires."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1049029_2011-hyundai-equus-third-driv- - - e
And if we are going to find nitpicky comments in reviews, then I guess BMW doesn't either.
"Best is the 750Li with the standard 18-inch wheels. Other 7-Series cars fall short of the lofty ride-balance standard we've come to expect from BMW. The adjustable suspension offers Comfort, Normal, Sport, and Sport+ modes. Thanks to its longer wheelbase and standard tires, 750Li is pleasant overall in comfort mode. Sport isn't overly stiff, but it does bring out some tire patter. In other 7-Series cars, comfort mode induces more tire thump and reaction to bumps than in top rivals, such as the Mercedes-Benz S-Class. Normal mode decreases the latter only slightly. Sport and Sport+ are increasingly firm. While never outright harsh or uncomfortable, these 7-Series cars are not as composed as they should be."
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffworks.com/2010-bmw-7-series-1.htm
"Hyundai has retooled luxury from the ground up. Instead of an incomprehensible owner’s manual, you get an easy to navigate iPad with service scheduler. When it’s time for service, our service center picks the car up from you, gives you a loaner and returns your car as well. And if you want reservations at that new restaurant, our concierge service can even help you there too."
Quote found here Hyundai Future Cars
I mean...when the Genesis dropped, folks were worried about what would they do with the service area to accommodate a "luxury" sedan. Well...Hyundai is saying we aren't worrying about the service department because you get to wait in the comfort of your own home (or office) and we'll even bring a loaner to you so you won't be inconvenienced. I think Hyundai is stepping out in a big way with the Equus and with that type of service plan, along with the concierge service...it won't take long before they are taken seriously.