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  • larrymlarrym Member Posts: 21
    Also if you have C250 coupe with sport package

    24 and 36 month with 10k miles
  • kimsethikimsethi Member Posts: 4
    edited January 2013
    Hi there.. this is my first time trying to lease and I went to a mercedes dealer in california.
    C250 details:
    Premium package
    Multimedia package
    (No other options included)
    MSRP: $44830. He is offering residual 71% and 0.00199 Money factor (I thought the MF was little high) The car has 60 miles on it but the dealer says it is brand new and not a demo model.
    Negotiated selling price: $37202
    Bank fee added by dealer: $1095

    On 24 months lease with 15k miles he offered payment $445 with tax.
    Can you please advise me if this is a good deal? I was hoping that the payment would be under $400 with the negotiated price.
  • clint1970clint1970 Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2013
    I have been shopping for a C250/C300 in the east coast. Based on your MSRP, it seems this is a C250 coupe, correct? The MF for C250 has been indeed 0.0012 (higher than C300's 0.00087). According to my calculations, the invoice of this car is more than $42000, meaning the selling price is close to $5000 below invoice. That would be a very good deal around here. I'm not sure of the implications of "new car but has 60 miles".

    However, your monthly payment amount of $445 doesn't add up. It should be well under $400 with that MSRP, selling price, residual factor, and MF, assuming sales tax of 10%
  • ariazariaz Member Posts: 77
    with the number you posted, your payment should be around $361.23/ month. not including the bank fee.
  • kimsethikimsethi Member Posts: 4
    Thanks Clint for the reply. Yes that is correct, the invoice was just above $4200 so i did negotiate a good selling price... I too was arguing with the sales guy that he payment should be well under $400 with this selling price .. he is using MF 0.00199 and Residual value 71% for 2 year lease 15 k miles.. payment $ 409 + 9% tax ($445 total) . I think he is using a very high MF to jack up the payments, correct? What do you think I should do?

    Also bank fee or acquisition fee mentioned to me before the paperwork was $ 795 and suddenly after negotiating the price it increased to $ 1095!
  • kimsethikimsethi Member Posts: 4
    Thanks Ariaz for the reply. As per my calculation it should have been around $ 360 with tax + $30 with the bank fee so i think what you are saying is absolutely right. I think he is using a very high MF to jack up the payments, correct? What do you think I should do?

    Also bank fee or acquisition fee mentioned to me before the paperwork was $ 795 and suddenly after negotiating the selling price it increased to $ 1095!
  • kimsethikimsethi Member Posts: 4
    Guys I just wanted to clarify that the $1095 payment is also added to the payments so I am not paying it upfront. OOP I am paying drive off fees $900 including 1st payment, title and registration.

    Is the bank fee included when calculating the finance fees using the MF?
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    edited January 2013
    Hi Larry. Mercedes-Benz Financial's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 C350 Coupe with 10,000 miles per year are .00160 and 74% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    The numbers for an otherwise identical 36-month lease are .00160 and 65%.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Now you tell me :) . Here's the rest of the information that you're looking for, Larry.

    Mercedes-Benz Financial's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 C250 Coupe with 10,000 miles per year are .00129 and 74% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    The numbers for an otherwise identical 36-month lease are .00129 and 66%.

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  • sdridersdrider Member Posts: 8
    Here's a deal we just got. 2013 C250 coupe. Almost fully loaded. MSRP $49,600. Purchase price $39,400. 24 month lease. $1,500 drive off. Deal includes 2 year pre-paid maintenance. $386 per month before tax.
  • luckyoliverluckyoliver Member Posts: 1
    I got a 2013 C250 White exterior with red leather interior. No other options other than the red leather. Includes 2 years maintenance rolled into the deal.

    2 year lease
    Total out of pocket $2000 (including all fees)
    Payment $299/month including tax

    I'm in Los Angeles, California

    Acquisition fee was listed as $1095 on the contract. I got this car from Santa Monica WI Simonson Mercedes, but even my last car 2008 ML350 Edition 10 was also same $1095 fee at MB of Encino.

    My other option that I had negotiated a few weeks prior at another dealer was for a White/Red C250 with AMG wheels, Becker NAV, and Rear Spoiler.
    That was also $2k out of pocket with $330/mo including tax, but did not include maintenance. With maintenance, they wanted $340/mo including tax. I walked away because they wouldn't include the maintenance in the $330/mo price.
  • kidoookidooo Member Posts: 1
    Where can I find prices like these in the NY/NJ area?

    I am looking to lease the 2013 C300

    And I am getting quotes for 350-400 a month including tax and 1600 down for fee plates and first month

    Any idea how I can lower this
  • needambdealneedambdeal Member Posts: 2
    hi everyone, I just stumbled across this forum because I may be picking up my new ride tomorrow but I want to make sure I'm getting a good deal. I was hoping someone could give me some info before I pull the trigger on this, I'd appreciate any words of advice.

    Here's what i'm looking at leasing:

    C350W $41,400
    040 Black
    121 Black MB Tex
    320 320 Multimedia Package: 7.0" Color Displ $2,790
    736 Black Ash Wood Trim
    786 18-Inch AMG Twin 5-Spoke Alloy Wheel $1,040
    917 PZEV-Emission, USA

    SUBTOTAL $45,230
    DESTINATION & DELIVERY $905
    TOTAL $46,135

    I'm looking at a 36 month lease and I am going to put down $3k. I've been quoted $427 plus tax = $461 total monthly for 10k miles per year or $477 total (including tax) monthly for 12k miles/yr which seems like a no brainer for the extra $16/month. He told me there are no other costs or fees. Is that true and if so is this a good deal or should I push a little more?

    Can anyone help me out here? Thanks in advance, much appreciated.
  • needambdealneedambdeal Member Posts: 2
    hi everyone, I just stumbled across this forum because I may be picking up my new ride tomorrow but I want to make sure I'm getting a good deal. I was hoping someone could give me some info before I pull the trigger on this, I'd appreciate any words of advice.

    Here's what i'm looking at leasing:

    C350W $41,400 040 Black 121 Black MB Tex 320 320 Multimedia Package: 7.0" Color Displ $2,790 736 Black Ash Wood Trim 786 18-Inch AMG Twin 5-Spoke Alloy Wheel $1,040 917 PZEV-Emission, USA

    SUBTOTAL $45,230 DESTINATION & DELIVERY $905 TOTAL $46,135

    I'm looking at a 36 month lease and I am going to put down $3k. I've been quoted $427 plus tax = $461 total monthly for 10k miles per year or $477 total (including tax) monthly for 12k miles/yr which seems like a no brainer for the extra $16/month. He told me there are no other costs or fees. Is that true and if so is this a good deal or should I push a little more?

    Can anyone help me out here? Thanks in advance, much appreciated.
  • biscaynebaybiscaynebay Member Posts: 3
    Ditto to last post. I am in Miami. Negotiating with dealer. The lease on my 2010 MB C300 can be terminated early as I am within the last 4 payments. However, the dealer is being pretty lackadasical. Looking better than last deal- which was 484.01 incl maintenance on C300 with P1, white/tan mbtex sport for 36 months, 15k miles. Any ideas in SFL as far as getting that whittled down significantly???? BTW I also have a fleet incentive
  • biscaynebaybiscaynebay Member Posts: 3
    How am I doing, how much fat left on this bone?
    In Miami area

    MB C250
    P1
    White/MB tex
    15,000/year
    36 months
    $700 drive off, includes 1st month
    $479 incl tax ($445 w/o tax) and prepaid maintenance

    MB is accelerating 4 months on previous C300 lease & building 1 unpaid payment into this lease. Also includes a fleet incentive
  • iwantanewcar2iwantanewcar2 Member Posts: 3
    FWIW, I think you can do better. I leased a 13 c250 with P1 and Multimedia for 30 months with 18k miles for 467 including tax. Nothing down. I am in Palm Beach.
  • anoceranocer Member Posts: 9
    edited January 2013
    Hi Car Man,

    Can you please tell me what is the Mercedes-Benz Financial January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for the 2013 C250 Sport Sedan?

    The best I have so far is 72.95% & .00150 for 24 months at 10,000 miles per year on this:

    MSRP: $47,135 (Sport Pkg, Lighting Pkg, P1, MM, Keyless-Go)
    $408/mo including tax
    $2400 drive away
    (includes maintenance & 1st month)

    I need to get this at no more than $400/mo, $2k down, with 12000 miles per year.

    Located in Los Angeles and this is the second C250 I'll be leasing. Tuesday the 29th is the desired signing date so any insight is greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!
    -Anocer
  • psmdpsmd Member Posts: 20
    Car-Man- Can you please post January Rates for a
    C3004matic for 36 and 48 months for 10,000 Miles.
    Thank you,

    PSMD
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    I'd be happy to help you out Anocer.

    Mercedes-Benz Financial's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 C250 Sport Sedan with 10,000 miles per year are .00120 and 72% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    As you can see, if your credit is in good shape the dealer is likely marking your car's money factor up slightly to add additional hidden profit to your deal. See if you can get them to use the buy rate to calculate your payment.

    It would be a good idea for you to find out this car's selling price as well. The selling prices of leased vehicles are negotiable, just as if you were paying cash for or financing them. Without this number, it is more difficult to tell how large a dealer discount you are being given and in turn if there's any more room to negotiate.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Certainly psmd. Mercedes-Benz Financial's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 C300 4Matic with 10,000 miles per year are .00087 and 62% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    The numbers for an otherwise identical 48-month lease are .00087 and 59%.

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  • anoceranocer Member Posts: 9
    edited January 2013
    Hi Car Man,

    Thank you very much for the buy rate information. I see how they have pushed up the money factor.

    Would you please post the same info for 7k & 12k miles please?

    The selling price is listed at $40,176.90 (MSRP: $47,135). There is a $297.16 cash cap reduction, and total insurance of $785. Then I've got a T-1pay fee-prod(w) of $1,201.35 and T-1pay Annual Fees of $361.

    Thanks!
    -Anocer

    Edit: Also, the LEV Amt is $34,382.88
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome Anocer. The residual values for those residual values would be 1% higher and 1% lower, respectively.

    The selling price that you were quoted on this car looks good.

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  • insidecarbuyinsidecarbuy Member Posts: 95
    Hey Guys,
    My friend just passed this deal up for a 2013 Audi A4 Premium Plus with Navigation. I told him he was nuts! The C300 4-matic has an MSRP of $43,780 with Premium 1 package, Becker Map Pilot, Rear deck Spolier, Burl Walnut Wood Trim. Selling Price with the Winter Event $2,000 rebate was $37,327. The lease was for 24 months, 12,000 miles per year, money factor of .00077 with auto pay and residual of 72%. The Audi was a year longer lease, $139 more per month and another $650 out of pocket. Is it just me or did he make a dumb move... Here are the details of the lease below...

    CUSTOMER DISCLOSURE
    Customer Name: Inside Car Buying LLC WD Deal ID: 76512
    Sale Vehicle: New 2013 MERCEDES BENZ C CLASS C300W 4dr Sdn C300 Sport 4MATIC w/AC , Automatic , Odom: 0

    Payment Details
    Term 24
    Base Payment 312.81
    Total Payment 312.81
    Purchase Option 31,233.80
    MSRP 43,780.00
    Est. Miles Per Year 12,000
    Disposition Fee 595.00
    Excess Mileage Charge 0.25

    Amount Due at Signing

    1st Month Payment 312.81
    Acquisition Fee 795.00
    Fees & Insurance 221.20
    Upfront Taxes 617.83
    Total Inception Fees 1,946.84

    Total Cash Required on Delivery 1,946.84


    Tax Information
    Customer State: New York Customer County: WESTCHESTER
    Type Amount Rate Paid
    Cashdown Tax 64.16 7.3750 Upfront
    Upfront Tax 553.67 7.3750 Upfront

    Fee Information
    Description Amount Paid
    Reg 123.70 Upfront
    Insp 10.00 Upfront
    Title 12.50 Upfront
    DocFee 75.00 Upfront
  • willstarkwillstark Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2013
    Ok question guys I need major help on some numbers. I do not know much about this and am trying to get a good deal on a c300.
    Mercedes c300 4matic: 47390 is there listed price at dealership
    I want to put 1000$ down. Maybe 2000$ (get numbers for both)
    i have a -2500$ difference from my maxima to put in lease.
    what are the best numbers I can get for a lease?
    what numbers should I tell the dealer I want? Need Specifics, as I am to bring these to the dealer.
    Zipcode is 52302 if it makes a difference.
    Oh and I am being quoted 599 including tax for 2000 down. 5% sales tax here
    Thanks, Will
  • alexcarhelpalexcarhelp Member Posts: 2
    Hi Car Man,

    Can you please provide me with the money factor and residual for a 2013 C250 Sport Sedan? Also, is the $2,000 credit still being offered on this model?

    Thank you!
  • alexcarhelpalexcarhelp Member Posts: 2
    Please disregard my last post. What I really need is the following:

    2013 C250 Coupe

    39 month lease: Residual? Money Factor?

    I am currently being quoted the following:

    $41,585 MSRP
    $2,000 total out of pocket.
    $425 including tax and maintenance
    39 months 12K Miles
  • them3them3 Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2013
    Hi Car_Man: Is this a good deal in New York State? Thanks in advance

    - 2013 C300 Sport 4Matic
    - Premium Package 1
    - Black with Black MB-Text
    - Spoiler
    - 2 Years Maintenance plan

    MSRP: $43,180
    Selling Price: $38,573.24
    Due At Signing: $5,497.70
    Residual: 66%
    Lease Terms: 12,000 miles per year for 30 months

    Monthly Payment comes out to $299.50
  • gettwogogettwogo Member Posts: 2
    Hi Car Man and everyone else:

    A California dealer made this offer on the last 2012 on the lot. Seems like a good deal, but would welcome all comments.

    C250 Sport sedan with Premium 1 package, Multimedia package, Keyless Go, Lane Tracking Package

    MSRP - $42,465

    Supposedly basing the lease on $35,000 after discount

    $950 down at 15,000 miles/yr -

    $468 for 24 months or $479 for 36 months

    All comments are welcome.

    Thanks,
  • gettwogogettwogo Member Posts: 2
    To clarify, the $950 (actually $928) is only first month and DMV fees. The quoted money factor is .00132.

    The monthly rates of $468 and $479 includes tax.

    Does it seem like a good deal?
  • xshinxshin Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2013
    Hi Car_Man,

    I came across this forum on a Google search, and it seems incredibly helpful - thanks for all that you do for the average consumer (like myself)! I am going to be leasing a 2013 C350 4MATIC Coupe in the next few weeks (when it arrives at the dealer after having been factory built), and I was hoping you could let me know what I'm up against.

    I live in NJ, with a sales tax of 7%. My credit is fair (the score itself is good, but my history is only a few years long), and I am going to be putting down around $2k. My annual mileage will be only around 5000, and I am willing to go with whichever duration would bring the price lowest (seems to be 24 mo, but again, I'm flexible). Given this information, can you tell me what my monthly payment would roughly come out to? The MSRP of my build is $53,985; I've been working with the dealer for some time, and I feel as though I should be able to get the price down a bit. If you could tell me what to shoot for and what to expect, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks!
  • anoceranocer Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2013
    Hi Car_man,

    Thanks for all your help.

    When you have a moment could you please post the February residual value & money factor for the 2013 C250 Sport Sedan in a 24 month lease with 10,000 miles per year.

    I missed out on the January deals and have to figure out something for February.

    Thanks!
    -Anocer
  • jbeinhorjbeinhor Member Posts: 6
    Hi CarMan --

    I was wondering what the lease numbers are for a 2013 C63 sedan with 10k miles and 36 months (or if there is a better config right now).

    Thanks!

    JB
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi alexcarhelp. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 C350 Sport Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00124 and 57% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    The certificate allowance on '13 C-Class Sedans was reduced to $1,000 in February.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi them3. This probably car has a spread of around $3,000 between its full MSRP and its dealer invoice price. There's $1,000 dealer cash certificates out there on top of that. The $4,600 discount that you were quoted looks great to me.

    Having said that $5,500 is way too much money to pay at lease signing. I assume that a decent chunk of that money is a capitalized cost reduction. I always advise consumers not to make large down payments on leased vehicles. Those who make them risk losing part or all of the money that they put down if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. Even though it means that your monthly payment will be a little higher, it's much safer to go with a zero down lease.

    Also, make sure that the dealer uses Mercedes-Benz Financial's buy rate of .00113 to calculate your payment.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Welcome xshin. You're very welcome, I'm glad that you like it.

    On an unsupported vehicle like this, a 36-month lease will likely result in a lower monthly payment than a 24-month term would.

    This car's lease payment will vary depending upon what sort of selling price you negotiate. For now I will assume a $3,000 discount. Let me know if you want me to use a different price.

    According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2013 C350 4Matic Coupe that has an MSRP of $53,985 and a selling price of $50,985 through Mercedes-Benz Financial right now for 36-months with 7,500 miles per year, your zero down, pre-tax monthly payment would be around $632.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello Anocer. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24-month lease of a 2013 C250 Sport Sedan with 10,000 miles per year are .00124 and 60% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi jbeinhor. Mercedes-Benz Financial's buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 C63 Sedan with 10,000 miles per year are .00205 and 60% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

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  • anoceranocer Member Posts: 9
    Thanks Car_man!

    That is a pretty substantial drop from January. Is there a better lease term for the 2013 C250 Sport Sedan mf @ .00124 and residual @ 60% than 24-months?

    Thanks!
    -Anocer
  • xshinxshin Member Posts: 2
    Car_man,

    Thanks for the information; this will definitely be very useful when going to my dealer in a few weeks! I will keep all this information in mind; I didn't even realize 7,500 miles per year was an option - the website only lets me go down to 10,000 lowest. Can I also get the residual and/or money factor that you used for these calculations as well so that I can talk about these with the dealer when I go? Thanks again for everything!
  • jbeinhorjbeinhor Member Posts: 6
    Thanks Car_Man! That was really quick! Does either rate improve if the lease is for 39, 42 or 48 months based on the same 10k miles?

    Thanks!

    JB
  • travistampatravistampa Member Posts: 1
    Car_Man,

    Was hoping you could provide me with MB Financials February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 2013 C250 Sport Sedan with Multimedia & Premium package for 15,000 miles per year at 36 and 48 months?

    Thanks- it is very much appreciated :)
    Travis
  • ironman123ironman123 Member Posts: 5
    How did you get over $10,000 off the MSRP? Is Mercedes running dealer incentives? I see no real specials being advertised.
  • mcpamcpa Member Posts: 2
    Hi Car_Man

    Have just joined but appreciated your insight and knowledge for quite some time. Am thinking about leasing a c63 2013. Wanted to check in on current buy rate moneyfactor as well as residual for February. What do you think regarding discount off of MSRP? I have read of some pretty significant discounts (in the 10% range)... Also any thoughts on seasonality insofar a it relates to lease deals? Is now the best time or is early spring perhaps better? Thanks in advance for the info.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're very welcome Anocer. I just noticed that the residual value that I provided for you is for a 36-month term. The correct resid for a 24-month term is 70%...much better. Sorry for the confusion. The money factors are the same for both and that's the important part because dealers cannot alter banks' residuals.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome xshin. The last time I checked one could do 7,500 miles per year. It should still be available.

    I believe that I used a money factor of .00205 and a residual value of 66% in my calculations.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    You're welcome jbeinhor. The money factor is the same for all terms, but the residual values are different. Generally speaking, the longer a lease is, the lower your lease payment is, assuming that the money factor remains the same. Of course, you're also committed to your vehicle for a longer period of time.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Here's the information that you're looking for Travis. Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 C250 Sport Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00124 and 57% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    The numbers for an otherwise identical 48-month lease are .00124 and 54%.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Thanks mcpa :). According to the latest information that I have seen, Mercedes-Benz Financial's February buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2013 C63 Sedan with 15,000 miles per year are .00205 and 57% for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.

    I honestly am not that familiar with C63 pricing. I know that dealers have plenty of C's in general, but I'm not sure about the supply of the 63.

    The program that's available on this car is not that great right now, so it wouldn't hurt to wait.

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  • mbmbmbmbmbmb Member Posts: 2
    edited February 2013
    I just picked up my 2013 C300 4M Sport and got a pretty good deal, at least in my opinion it was.
    The MSRP was $45,770 (Sport, P1, Multimedia, and Trunk Lid Spoiler). I live in MD so we have to pay tax on the whole vehicle even it is a lease (which is absurd!) so my leases are always more expensive.

    With that said, I was able to get a 27 month lease, 15k miles/yr, $399/mo, $1800 out of pocket (including all MD taxes, tags, and fees).

    Not only that, I was returning a 2010 C300 and the dealer waived the $595 Lease-End fee, 2 payments, didnt charge me for a cracked windshield, and also didnt charge me for a blown tire (the tire popped on the way there so I turned it in with the compact spare tire on).

    This deal was much cheaper than what I was paying for my 2010 and that one had no options in it.

    I was expecting to pay a lott more!
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