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  • lease2008lease2008 Member Posts: 6
    thanks for the reply as i am unsure about dealers and dealerships. thanks again.
  • jcb123jcb123 Member Posts: 18
    Looking for any comments on following deal:

    2008 Volvo S-60 2.5 T AWD with advanced, premium, and climate packages. Titanium grey.
    MSRP - $37,100
    Price - :confuse: $30,073 (number supposedly used to calc lease)??
    Residual - 44%
    Money factor - .00245
    36 months/12,000 miles
    Monthly payments of $596
    First payment + TTL due at signing

    I know something doesn't seem right about the price above, but that's my best info at the moment. Please see if anything is possible to calculate with the other info and I will try to confirm or correct the one number.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hello jcb123. It looks as though this deal may be being run through an independent bank rather than through Volvo Finance. If that is the case, then there is a $5,250 cash incentive on it that you can use to negotiate an attractive capitalized cost for your lease. In addition to this cash incentive, this car has a spread of just under $2,000 between its full MSRP and its dealer invoice price. This gives you a total of around $7,200 to play with during your negotiations. The $7,027 discount that you were quoted on this car looks good to me. You may want to comparison shop with another dealer or two just to make sure that this is as good as it gets on this car in your area right now, but this looks like a pretty good deal to me.

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  • geomensgeomens Member Posts: 7
    I have the following deal from a dealer for a 2008 S60 with premium package in the Miami florida area.

    Initial payment $1,500.

    term 48 months
    Monthly payment $389 plus tax
    Money Factor: 0.01875
    Residual : $12,000

    The only problem is I was not given the Cap cost.

    Is this a good deal?
  • ejs0511ejs0511 Member Posts: 1
    I signed the lease for my 2008 S60 on Saturday. I have a week to decide if I want to purchase a maintenance package for $695 which will cover oil changes, wiper blades, fluids and brake pads for the next 36 months. Anyone do this?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    well... if I assume you took a 15k per year lease, we're talking maintenance for the next 45k miles. In that time, if you change the oil every 5k miles (i don't know what current requirements are of the '08 S60, but 5k is probably too soon), that's 9 oil changes. If you use an independent volvo mechanic, those will be ~$30 each, for a total of $270. You MAY need front brake pads in 45k miles. maybe not. But if you do, you might be looking at $150. Wiper blades? $15 and change them yourself, if so inclined. I dunno. I'm just not seeing $695 being necessary, personally. If you could find out exactly what is included in that ... I mean, they have a schedule they follow, so the dealer should be able to say "we'll do x, y, and z at this number of miles, then xx, yy, zz at this number, etc, etc." And if you feel you want to follow THEIR schedule and overmaintain your leased vehicle, then that is up to you.

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  • gnotcatgnotcat Member Posts: 1
    Any idea on Q4 incentives for S60 2.5T 08s? (not R models) Or do these incentives only apply to 07s?
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi geomens. The money factor that you were quoted for this car looks good, but as you said you didn't mention its selling price. This is a very important number to know. The selling prices of leased vehicles are negotiable, just as if you were paying cash for or financing them. One should always find out the selling price and MSRP of the vehicle that they want to lease. They will show you how much of a discount you are being given and to double check the dealer's calculation of your monthly payment. Let me know what these numbers are and I'll tell you what I think.

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  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi gnotcat. I don't believe that Volvo is currently providing any cash incentives on leases of the 2008 S60 through Volvo Finance. It does have $750 dealer cash on this model right now, but it is not compatible with Volvo Finance's special lease program. Volvo is providing a $5,000 cash incentive on leases of 2008 S60 2.5T 2WD models through independent banks.

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  • orion7701orion7701 Member Posts: 8
    Hi Car_man,

    Can you please tell me what are the current rebates (if any) on the 2007 S60R?

    Also, can you please provide MF and residual information for the following terms:

    24 month 12k
    36 month 12k

    Thank you
  • orion7701orion7701 Member Posts: 8
    Hi Car_man,

    Can you please provide MF and residual information for a 2008 S60 2.5T AWD and FWD?

    24 month 12k
    36 month 12k

    Also, can you please confirm what incentives are available?

    Thank you
  • sparty411sparty411 Member Posts: 5
    Hey Car Man:

    I spoke to my Volvo sales consultant yesterday and he mentioned that Volvo just announced aggressive lease programs on S60s and S80s. I am considering both models, so I would be curious if you knew the current MF and residual for both (24 mo and/or 36 mo; 12K per year). I was in the car, so I couldn't write down the numbers but I think he said there is $6500-$7000 lease support on the S60 and S80. We are coming off lease in February (V70), and I don't know if any loyalty cash is out there as well. I just would like to be prepared before I go in to see him next weekend. Any info would be great.

    Thanks.
  • slesserslesser Member Posts: 3
    I just picked up my new 2008 S60 last night. Yes there is $7,000 in lease incentives out there. I am paying $358.15/mo before sales tax for a 36 month lease, 12,000mi, with no money down. With Climate and convenience packages.
  • sparty411sparty411 Member Posts: 5
    Slesser, this sounds like a pretty good deal on a no mondy down lease. If you don't mind me asking, what was your MSRP, cap cost, residual and MF (and cash due)? Also, where did you buy? My dealer is quoting $420 on what appears to be a comparably equipped vehicle, also no money down and 12K/36mo. He has been VERY slow to give me a response to my challenges to his contribtion. If you don't mind sharing some more details, it would be helpful.
  • slesserslesser Member Posts: 3
    I don't have the actual worksheets for my car as I ended up with the S60 AWD black non-metallic paint, Climate and Premium packages. But I do have the worksheet for the same car with metalic paint.
    The monthly payment for this car came to $366.87 before state tax.

    Actual MSRP - $35,625
    But he used what he called CRV of $38,100 to caluclate residual
    Adj. Grs Cap cost - $26,895 ( after all his rebate money available off the $35,625)
    Residual - .43% (x $38,100) = $16,383
    Total Depreciation - $10,512 ( $26,895 - $16,383)
    Monthly Dep - $292.00
    Mo. lease chg. $ 74.87
    Total due at signing - $1394.96 (1st mo+tax385.21+ $39.75 tax + $970 GAP ins./ Acq Fee / lic & registration fees)

    I did this deal in Massachusetts.
  • snaprollsnaproll Member Posts: 23
    Thanks for posting this, I think it is an unbelievable deal.

    Based on what you listed above. You can write a check for $1,394.96 for a car with a $35,625 msrp and then pay $385.21 per month. These numbers even include the 5% sales tax. I am not shocked so much by the payment as I have been able to lease an S60 in the past for $399 per month tax included. What surprises me is the residual of $16,383.

    If you took this deal and paid the $1394.96 and then 35 payments of $385.21, that totals $14,877.31. Now at the end of the lease, you buy it for $16,383 + 5% sales tax, which is $17,202.15. You now own the car and have a total of $32,079.49 invested.

    Compare this with a purchase. The invoice on this car is $33,395 and Edmunds shows a $2500 dealer cash incentive. If you could get the car at invoice and get the entire $2500 incentive, that puts you at a price of $30,895. Add the 5% sales tax gets you up to $32,439.75. So, if you had the money in your hand to buy the car at this price. It actually saves you $360 to take the lease and that assumes that you did absolutely nothing with the $32,000 to earn interest over the next three years.

    I have seen some deals where the lease was almost equal to a purchase but nothing where it was actually cheaper. There most be a lot of incentive money available that is not published.

    Anyway, thanks again for posting and I would say very sweet deal.
  • kgukgu Member Posts: 4
    The actual cost for purchase should including the interest for the payment. In above case, if you put $32,000 in the bank and the APR is 5%, after 3-year, you will have $1600 x 3 = 4800 in hand. Of course, above calculation is over-simplified. The real difference between leasing and buying should be smaller than this value.
  • bestbuy08bestbuy08 Member Posts: 4
    thinking of leasing s60 2008 demo
    7-8k miles. here is the pricing.....
    MSRP: 35150
    Invoice: 32987
    Sellling based on:23955.39
    43 % resi.
    36 month
    warranties are good for 36 months. miles start at 0
    premium/climate/AWD
    Black/Black
    $349mth-taxes included
    $ 741 down

    If anyone can tell me what they think greatly appreciate it!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    The selling price is pretty good, I think. But I'm not sure about the money factor. Your depreciation cost alone is only ~245.50, so you are paying over $100/mo for interest and taxes. Off the top of my head, it seems like alot. But I need more details to decide, like the MF, fees, etc.

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  • bestbuy08bestbuy08 Member Posts: 4
    Thank you for your response.

    This is what I found.

    MF .00173
    Fees 349/1st payment
    7.50 tires
    125 doc fee
    359 reg

    I look forward to your response.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    I stand corrected.
    That is a GREAT deal, from what I can see.
    You've got a good money factor on top of a deep rebate, and no unreasonable fees.
    I plugged all your numbers into Edmunds lease calculator and came up with ~$351. So it sounds like the $349 payment you were quoted is right on.

    And I must say, a damned nice car for $350/mo. congrats!

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  • bestbuy08bestbuy08 Member Posts: 4
    I did the Edmunds math on paper.
    I came up with 335.09? I'm not great at this.
    Tell me if you would where I went wrong.

    MSRP: 35150
    Resi: 43%
    --------
    Resi$: 15114.50

    Selling Pr: 23955.39
    Res: 15114.50
    --------------
    Used: 8840.89
    /36 mths
    --------------
    245.58

    Selling Pr. 23955.39
    Res $: 15114.50
    --------------
    39069.89
    MF .00173
    -----------------
    Interst 67.59
    Payment 245.58
    ----------------
    Mth/Int 313.17
    Tax .07
    ----------------
    21.92/mth
    Mth/Int 313.17
    -------------
    335.09

    They quoted me $349 plus 741 down. According to my calc. I think they should come down another 10/mth to be fair?
  • slesserslesser Member Posts: 3
    Snaproll, that is exactly what I plan to do. Best part is that the lease is a company lease. They are paying for the first 3 years. In 3 years I'll buy the car for $16,383 and give it to my wife. It will still be under warranty and only have 36,000 miles. She can drive it another 3 years until I have another car for her to buy.

    She currently has a 2002 Mazda Tribute with only 36,000mi, all paid for. So in 3 more years this should have about 55K, it will easily go another 3 years. With no car payments for another 3 years.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Obviously, its a bank lease.
    So, there is prob an acquisition fee rolled into the lease.
    Unless the bank is M&I.

    Your dealer quote makes sense w/ an acq fee.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    I assumed exactly what volvomax said ... there is probably a standard security deposit or bank fee. When you use the edmunds calculator, it adds that for you automatically, which is how I came up with the $350 number.

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  • bestbuy08bestbuy08 Member Posts: 4
    Correct. It is a 3rd party bank. Not Volvo/Ford.
    Is this bad?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    Correct. It is a 3rd party bank. Not Volvo/Ford.
    Is this bad?


    No, not at all.
    You just don't have all the numbers,which is why the payment you come up w/ is off.
  • adfreakadfreak Member Posts: 7
    So far the best lease offer I have received on a 2008 S60 2.5 w/ Premium and Climate Pkg (NOT AWD) is...

    36 months at 12k miles/year

    $1000 total cash due at signing (have not recieved the breakout yet)

    $393 total monthly payment (includes 7% sale tax)

    Question: Given that I do not have the particulars from dealer (MF, residual, cap, etc.), does this look like a good deal on the surface? Or, do you think I can hold out for the same terms on a AWD model or a better deal on the FWD?

    Any thoughts?
  • eights38eights38 Member Posts: 145
    adfreak - The front wheel drive version of the car is fine, but if you live in an area that receives a great deal of snow, I would recommend the AWD. Do you live in NJ? What dealer have you been negotiating with? Please feel free to email me with more questions.
  • conranconran Member Posts: 1
    Hi
    Please help me determine if good deal based on this info from dealer:

    MSRP of the vehicle is $33,775 and with Volvo's Value Pack savings you are at $36,300. **What's a value pack and why is it costing me money?**

    "Z" plan price is my invoice price of $31,656 minus the "Z" plan incentives brings you down to $26,656., which is the Cap Cost or sale price of the lease.
    **Salesman keeps trying to say I'm saving 10K - $36300 to $26656; really?!**

    Premium and climate packages plus metallic paint
    **Cleveland, heated seats....hope I use them**

    The Lease is for 48 months w/12,000 miles per year. The monthly payment, including tax, is $334.82 with Inception Fee's due at signing of $1,023.76 which break down as follows: $334.82-- First months payment
    $625.00-- Bank Fee
    $ 48.44--Tax on Bank Fee
    $ 15.50-- Title Fee and Temporary 30 day tag.
    $ 0.00-- Security Deposit and Documentary Fee are waived on "Z"
    _________
    $1,023.76-- Total due at signing

    5. Lease Rate or Money Factor is 1.86 which equates to an interest rate of 4.46%.

    The Residual or Buyout price at lease end is $15,609.00.
    =========
    Okay, so the payment's not too bad, loving rate versus buying. Trying to refi home before leasing but of course the special is only good to 2/29. Anyone have any scoop on March lease specials .Any advice?
    Thanks!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 235,200
    It looks like the Value Package is a discount that appears on the Monroney sticker.. Without the discount on the sticker, the MSRP would be $36,300.

    Of course you really aren't saving that money...

    But, on the plus side, it looks like they use the higher number ($36,300), to calculate the residual (43% of $36,300), so that is why the payment is nice and low...

    It's a decent lease deal... if you can live with a 4-year lease.. (I can't..lol)

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  • volvomaxvolvomax Member Posts: 5,238
    I'd take the deal this month if you can.
    Bank residuals are gonna drop in March.
    Plus, Volvo is not committed to lease incentives for the S60 much past March anyway.
    So, I doubt you will see any increase in factory support, and you will have a lower residual to boot.
  • adfreakadfreak Member Posts: 7
    eights38 - I'm in RI and the offer came from Inskip Volvo. As hard as we got hit with snow on Fri, I'm inclined to agree that AWD is the way to go. :)
  • s60leasers60leaser Member Posts: 61
    Hi Car Man,
    My 2 Volvo leases are up in June. I am happy to buy them out OR lease new ones-My main concern is COST.

    Here are the #s
    S-80-2.5Tawd,leather,40K miles(by June)

    1)My Cost to buy out lease:$24,000 plus 5% interest rate /5 year loan on $ I would use to buy,or $481/Mo,total Interest paid over life of loan=$3,200.

    2) My cost to turn in car, $2kmileage,$2Krepairs- $1K allowance=$3,000

    3)Kelly Blue Book Value=Trade-$16.2,PrivParty-$18.8,Retail-$22.7

    4) My cost to lease a new s80, which is what I would do, for a similarly equipped car and 36 m,15K lease I estimate at $450/mo, but have done very little research.

    S60 2.5Tawd,leather,30kmiles (by June)

    1) My cost to buy out lease=$20,400 plus 5% interest rate /5 year loan on $ I would use to buy, or $384/mo.Total Interest paid over loan=$2700

    2) My cost to turn in car= $3K repairs less $1K repair allowance=$2,000

    3) Kelly BBValue=Trade-$15.8,privPrty-$18.2,Retail-$22.1

    4) My cost to lease a new s-60, similarly equipped, 36M, 15K, which I would do, is approx. $350-$400/mo, but I have done very little research.

    So,do I start shopping or buy the cars-or just one of them-when the lease is up in June? I am trying to reduce my expenses- and I have 3 teenage drivers in the family(that explains all the repair costs...)
    Any help is much appreciated.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    were those both 2yr/15k mile leases to begin with? So they are '05 models?

    I'm making that assumption since you say the S80 with 40k miles will cost you $2k in mileage fees (10k miles x 20 cents?).

    And, if that is the case, you probably shouldn't lease another one at 15k/yr since you will go over by 15k total miles over the 3 years.

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  • s60leasers60leaser Member Posts: 61
    Thank you for the rsponse-
    Yes they are both 2005, both are 10K miles/year, so I could go with 15K and be OK. THe s80 is currently at 36K but I assume 40K by lease end.The s60 is fine with miles, but needs Cosmetics @2K

    Does that help?

    Do you think the RV is negotiable on these?
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    Probably depends on the bank they are leased with. I saw vmax's response to you in the RWTIV board and it looks like neither of these is worth the buyout NOW, never mind 4 months from now. So if they won't negotiate buyout, then it looks like turning them in is your best option.

    You also may want to think twice about financing them for 5 years if you do buy them out. I mean, you gotta do what you want, but just think that they will be 8 years old before you are done paying for them.

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  • s60leasers60leaser Member Posts: 61
    So if they won't negotiate buyout, then it looks like turning them in is your best option.

    Even if I have to pay $ for mileage and cosmetic/repair to turn in?

    Thanks so much for the input. I hadn't considered the "8 yrs old" point..
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    well, if buyout is $20k and the car is only worth $15k, then $2k-$3k in fees is cheaper than overpaying for the car by $5k.

    Of course, that is $5k over trade-in value, which is different than retail value. Retail value would be $1500-$2k over trade-in. So, even at $17k retail, you'd be paying $3k more than that. (if I'm recalling the S60 number correctly, which was about $15k, correct?) I think the S80 was even worse, was it not?

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  • s60leasers60leaser Member Posts: 61
    AHHHHH,yes, you are correct.Guess we used these 2 cars up!
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    Yup. Sounds that way.
    And I think that is one of the good parts of leasing. At least when it works out like this. You have paid less for the car over this term than you would have had you purchased it.

    I have 2 leases right now, too. And neither is worth now what the end of the lease buyout is. So, in other words, come the end of the lease, the cars will be worth far less than the buyout amount. Lucky me because I just need to turn them in and walk away, allowing the manufacturer to eat the negative.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 32,891
    ya know, something else you might want to consider is early termination. I mean, depending on your per mile charge on the S80, if you are already at the mileage limit, it may behoove you to turn it in with a check for the remaining payments. Granted, you lose the use of the car from now till June, but it may not be worth it if the per mile charge is too high. something to think about.

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  • s60leasers60leaser Member Posts: 61
    Ill look at the #s. @.20/mile over,and at this rate Ill put on another $100 in mileage fees, so the 3 remaining payments doesn't (S'cuse the pun) ...pay.. But thanks-good to look at all the angles...
  • arvanarvan Member Posts: 6
    Does anyone have the lease rate and residual for '09 Volvo S60 and xc90 for October?
  • leftcoast2leftcoast2 Member Posts: 13
    My 2003 S-60 gas door hinge broke when I opened it. The hinge is very fragile. I guess I opened it too hard. Be careful and open slowly or it's off to the dealer to have it replaced.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi arvan. Volvo is not currently providing support on leases of the 2009 S60 through Volvo Finance, but it is providing a $1,500 cash incentive on lease of it through independent banks.

    Volvo Finance's special lease program for the 2009 XC90 varies by term, mileage allowance, and trim level. You never mentioned what any of these variables are, so for now I will assume that you are interested in a 36 month lease of a 2009 XC90 3.2 5 Passenger AWD with 15,000 miles per year. Let me know if you want something different. The numbers for the aforementioned variables are .00182 and 46%, respectively.

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  • rss62rss62 Member Posts: 2
    my 3 year lease is up 12/31/08. I will have 26k miles on car at that time and otherwise car is in very good shape. Residual value buyout option is $19k. Edmunds.com values are: $17.85 trade-in, $19.5 private party, $21.1 dealer and $23.4 certified.

    Is buyout option a good deal?
    What are chances I can negotiate a lower buyout price from Volvo Finance?

    thx for advice.
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi rss62. The values of used vehicles have absolutely fallen off of a cliff over the past several months. They are dropping so fast that most on-line price guides can't even keep up with them. Chances are that your S60 is worth less as a trade right now than the value that you mentioned.

    It would be a good idea to shop around with a few actual dealers to see how much a similar used vehicle is really going for right now before pulling the trigger on buying your S60 at lease-end. Also, it wouldn't hurt to place a call directly to Volvo Finance, or whichever bank you are leasing your car through, to see if they would be willing to negotiate your car's end-of-term purchase price. More likely than not they won't, but you don't have anything to lose by trying.

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  • chadlchadl Member Posts: 11
    What are they currently for the S60 on a 3 year / 15,000 mile per lease ? Thanks !!
  • CarMan@EdmundsCarMan@Edmunds Member Posts: 38,514
    Hi chadl. Volvo's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2011 S60 with 15,000 miles per year are .00157 and 56%, respectively.

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