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2007 Ford Edge
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One foggy night, a Yankees fan was heading north from New York and a Red Sox fan was driving south from Boston. While crossing a narrow bridge in Connecticut, they hit each other head-on, mangling both cars.
The Red Sox fan manages to climb out of his car and survey the damage. He looks at his twisted car and says, "Man, I'm lucky to be alive!" Likewise, the Yankees fan gets out of his car uninjured, he too feeling fortunate to have survived.
The Yankees fan walks over to the Red Sox fan and says, "Hey, man, I think this is a sign that we should put away our petty differences and live as friends instead of being rivals."
The Red Sox fan thinks for a moment and says, "You know, you're absolutely right ! We should be friends. In fact, I'm going to see if something else survived the wreck."
The Red Sox fan then pops open his trunk and removes a full undamaged bottle of Jack Daniel's. He says to the Yankee, "I think this is another sign- we should toast to our newfound friendship." The Yankee fan agrees and grabs the bottle. After sucking down half of the bottle, he hands it back to the Red Sox fan and says, "Your turn!"
The Red Sox fan calmly twists the cap back on the bottle, throws the rest of the bottle over the bridge into the river and says, "Nah, I think I'll just wait for the cops to show up."
I can't figure out what bozoo at Ford thinks that people are going to spend north of 25k for a family/passenger car WITHOUT a power drivers seat. (its not that the seat is that important, its just that a car this expensive should have one and all the competition does.)
My other gripe is the unpainted door handles. If you can get painted door handles on a $15k Nissan Versa, then you should get them on a $25k Ford Edge.
Personally I think Ford should drop the current SE, rename the SEL the SE and rename the SEL Plus to just SEL.
Mark.
I also wish Ford would offer a few more options as stand alone items rather than part of a package. Packages used to be a grouping of related items but now we have many unrelated items thrown together. I know dealers hate individual options but I hate to pay for options I don't want to get one that I need.
And the owners manual regarding TC off has to do with the ability to rock the vehicle back and forth to get unstuck, and yes, spin, the wheels, not to gain traction but momentum.
Disable TC and then spin the wheels to get moving initially, mono-directionally, and all you'll get is the smell of burning rubber.
FWIW Ford did this with the Explorer too. Our '06 XLT V6 has black plastic exterior door handles. For '07, body colored and painted door handles are standard across the board.
Going on that, maybe the '08 Edge will have standard body colored handles too. I'm pretty sure Ford did this in the past with other SUVs.
Useless.
If you want to try this technique it might be best to get out of the car and make sure there is not a layer of ice under that snow.
But, admittedly it can be a good tecdhique if all you're dealing with is freshly fallen unpacked snow.
2nd trip in a few weeks to the dealer. sat in the back of an edge each time. the first time i thought the rear seatback was too vertical. as i was getting out, i noticed the other side of the split seat seemed angled back further. this time, i figured how to recline it. it angles pretty far back. the lower seat cushion seemed kind of low, though. some of the reviews noted this, too.
I refer to them as "passengers who happen to have the keys"
I was a loyal Ford customer long before I had a drivers license, ~1952, Ford Ferguson, over John Deere, Farmall, etc.
The very first car I purchased was a 1956 Ford Fairlane and it remained that way until I jumped the fence to a Lexus LS400 in 1991.
I would dearly love to see Ford make a comeback and be truly competitive with Toyota, and Lincohn vs Lexus.
This forum, and others like it provide the only method I know for most of us to get the word out regarding any unpleasantness we have had with Ford products.
So, long live the bashers...!
Under their "guidance" Ford may well rise again to the top.
I for one am totally disgusted with what Ford is trying to pass off. Perhaps it stems back to the racist Nasser saying he hated all the "white faces" he sees at company meetings and then he tried his best to change them all to different colors. Perhaps Ford deserves to die?
Get the Picture???
If Ford does not wake up and start producing class Leading not bottom to mid pack performers soon they will go out of business...
Build it and they will come, FOMOCO, dont build it and you're outta here. I use to defend these people. Not anymore. This months' MT is out and there are only 2 mentions of anything fomoco in there. One is actually a car, but it's only ANOTHER special Mustang. That's all Fords' got anymore, the Mustang. And its' days are numbered with Camaro and Challenger on the way. The other Ford article was a small paragraph on how Mark Fields has finally given up on jetting around on a private company paid jet to commute from Dearborn to his home in Florida. Just a little perk for Mr BIG to the tune of over 1/4 million dollars last year, while people are being forced out and Ford is building crap this guy's jetting back and forth all over the place spewing jet fumes and burning tons of jet fuel for no good reason. Who does he think he is, Al Gore?
I think we should resist the temptation to go political!
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Now on to the meat of the subject. I think, since when people drive the Edge, they are driving one of the fastest CUVs on the market in its segment, the majority won't care about a shifter that 99% of people normally put 99% of the time in D and just go. Are you saying that fact isn't true?
There was a recent car comparo where the Kia Optima came in second. Do you really feel that most of America believes it can compete with the BRAND NEW CAMRY THAT CAME IN LAST? Keep in mind, Optima sales are less than 10% of Camry sales. Again, give those articles a couple months and see what happens.
The interior is not bland to me and I am 25 years old, and in the company's target market for the CUV. I feel it is lightyears more interesting than the Highlander interior. It isn't the greatest, but it is definitely not the worst. Have you seen the Equinox interior or sat in the New CR-Vs? Material qulity of the Edge is definitely better.
Lastly, while you mentioned Mustangs, you did not mention the Fusion which beat the Camry and Accord in the latest Consumer Reports, increased sales considerably in February, came in second in several comparos, solidly outsold the Hyundai Sonata, has been very reliable according to JD Power and Associates, has had high customer satisfaction, and is available in AWD while the competition is not.
The MKX was DOA. That thing is indeed horriible but I give credit where it is due and the Edge deserves it.
So, you dont think that when a dozen people who get paid to drive and write about cars for a living come to a conclusion that one should at least pay some attention to what they say?
"Are you saying that fact isn't true?"
Hmmm ... I guess even I can't argue that a fact isn't true.
But to your point, personally I dont care what 99% of them are going to do and I certainly dont pretend to KNOW what they will do. All I know is that the Edge and the emmmkaaaexxx are the ONLY CUVs who give the driver almost ZERO control over the transmission. So I guess I'm in the 1% who would like to have some input into what the car is doing. Hey, next maybe Ford will give you only 2 radio stations to choose from. But you wont care, will ya?
I was talking about the new Highlander, not the present one. Read my post, if they havent deleted it like they do 1/2 of them. Probably 1/2 as many as they should delete in your mind and a few others here, but I could care less. Lightyears more interesting? I think you have mixed your metaphors here.
The Fusion beat the Camry and Accord in CR? Aren't you the same guy who says CR is full of it? Your "facts" about the Fusion are not entirely factual, but I've no time for it.
Last, you diss the emmkayexx, saying it's 'horrible' yet the lincoln is, if nothing else, an improvement on the Edge, yet you say the Edge is great. Your logic, friend, is a little questionable.
No, YOU are.
Last time I'll turn you onto a good joke, Yankee-lover. :P
PS: I guess hogrod didn't like my opinion? They pulled it before i could get my feelings hurt. Pulled my stuff about the great and wise Goreacle too. Oh well, we car buffs wont be able to ignore that gas bag much longer. He'll have us all on roller blades while he flies his private jets to meet with Leo DiCaprio, another brilliant climatologist.
Mark.
The "poor" relative braking performance of the Edge could be due to Ford tuning the brake distribution to a vehicle with four passengers, while the competition has tuned to the distrubution of a typical magazine road test.
I think the brake distance jury will remain out until we see side-by-side comparisons with at least two different static load distributions.
going to the ford dealer tomorrow. i think i'll have my kid sit in the back and get an evaluation.
Okay you picked one line, and left out the meaning of the paragraph. I think they have some insight; however, as I said, if you read them consistently, you'll find that your opinion on the vehicle you buy should be based on your own testdriving experiences which can/will differ from theirs. Is this not true?
So I guess I'm in the 1% who would like to have some input into what the car is doing.
Yes you are. One thing that all companies should do, please the masses. I won't buy a Fusion because it does not habe a manumatic. If you look up my past posts, this is abundantly clear. However, I recognize I am in the minority. I have to be realistic. Most people aren't like me and drive in D at all times. Therefore the D and L in the Edge is adequate for 99% of the population. Is this not true? You and I are in the 1%. I just acknowledge it.
The Fusion beat the Camry and Accord in CR? Aren't you the same guy who says CR is full of it?
Sorry, you've got the wrong man. I don't remember that.
Last, you diss the emmkayexx, saying it's 'horrible' yet the lincoln is, if nothing else, an improvement on the Edge,
That's your opinion. I don't believe that and the consumer doesn't either which is why the sales of the MKX are disappointing and the sales of the Edge are not. The MKX is wall more expensive and doesn't compete at all within its segment. It's up against the Buick Enclave, the Arcadia etc. The Edge is against the Murano, Sante Fe, loaded Rav 4s, Tribecas, etc. No way the Lincoln badge alone justifies the huge price disparity. Features and styling aren't that different. Is this not true?
What are the 0-60 and barking distance for the Ford Edge again? The media loves this vehicle. For the money it costs, shouldn't somebody harp on the stopping distance?
People seem to be going for Edges in the barely $30,000k price range. Most of the ones we ordered at my dealer for stock are $32,000 to $36,000.
I still think Ford should be slapped for even bothering with the Edge SE.
The packaging/optioning on this vehicle is enough to drive someone crazy.
The Edge should only be available in SE and SEL. The SE should really be the current SEL and the SEL should be the current SEL +.
Also some of the little adds should be put into a package.
All in all, I expect to do lots of Factory Orders due to the ala cart nature of the Edge.
Mark
Please explain what is available ala carte on the Edge. I haven't talked to a dealer yet but from the literature I have seen it appears that the major options other than wheels and entertainment are part of a package. Thanks for the help.
Sometimes they may not even be smarter, they might just have more money. i.e. "Is chicken of the sea, not chicken?" and "What's Wal-Mart?" (qoutes from two of America's richest).
Please elaborate on the compromise.
http://www.fusionunleashed.com/docs/07.edgeorder.pdf
Stand alone options for SEL + include: nav, audiophile, reverse sensing, vista roof, roof rail cross bars, all weather floor mats, and tow package You have 3 choices of 18 inch wheels or can stick with the standard 17s.
The Trims are a little confusing. The SE is basically a base car and there won't be many out there.
SEL is standard with cloth and without auto climate control or heated seats.
Most SELs will have the seating flex package,
which includes a power passenger seat, remote 2nd row release, and Leather.
An SEL could also have the premium package INSTEAD of the seating flex package. However this car is only about $500 less than the SEL+
Premium package includes Leather, 2 zone auto climate control, heated seats, puddle lamps, memory for mirrors and drivers seat and cabin air filter.
SEL + is has both Seating Flex package and Premium package standard.
If you want JUST leather, SEL with seating flex package is the way to go. If you want auto climate control and heated seats, just go for the SEL + its a better value than the SEL with optional premium package.
Mark.
The result is an on-and-off, bang/bang servo function, wherein the average braking is not as optimal as would be with a much more expensive true closed loop feedback servo system.
Since there are some instances (many or even most??) wherein your anti-lock system is detrimental to shortest stopping distance it might be best overall to simply disable ABS unless the stability control system (VSC, PSM, etc.) detects that the vehicle is not traveling in the desired direction.
I'm of the opinion that high traction braking distances should be published with ABS disabled completely and with it enabled. That way one would know the RAW braking HP available along with just how much of a compromise, or not, the specific ABS design entails.
Under what road and load conditions?
If this were done, then at least
twosixseveral tests need to be run: One with driver only, and one with 4 people and 200# of luggage in the rear. Repeat these two for dry road, and again for wet road, and again for icy road. Repeat for concrete road vs. asphalt. I guarantee that the ABS vehicle would have a MUCH shorter average stopping distance. And, on at least one of the tests, the driver would lose steering control as brake lock-up occurs."COMPLETELY releases the brake(s) momentarily"
Are you sure about this? What's your source? How long is the moment in "momentarily".
PLEASE, PLEASE stop the reckless recommendation/implication that people should disable their ABS system.
KISS...!
Keep It Simple...
Other than ABS on/off why change the way it's currently being done..?
"..Are you sure about this?.."
ABSOLUTELY.
That ~10hz throbbing of the brake pedal is the result of the brake pressure being released/restored to prevent wheel lockup.
I have advised a design change in the method of implementation of ABS, not for anyone as an individual to disable same.
But...
According to the statistical analysis by the IIHS the addition of ABS has had a slight negative effect on overall automotive safety.
The purpose of ABS is NOT to help you stop quicker or in a shorter distance but is there to help you maintain control while stopping as quickly as possible otherwise.
Tell me what modern, 2004 or newer, ABS equipped vehicle you own and I'll point out to you where this, the above, statement is made in your own owners manual