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2007 Ford Edge

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  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    "From zero to 60 mph, the Audi takes 8.0 seconds, a full second longer than the Mercedes. Its quarter-mile best of 15.9 seconds at 89.1 mph is also slower. Braking tests told the same story. Q7 stopped from 60 mph in 143 feet, some 15 feet longer than the R-Class. It didn't help that the Audi had only 1,077 miles on the brakes at the time."

    What are the 0-60 and barking distance for the Ford Edge again? The media loves this vehicle. For the money it costs, shouldn't somebody harp on the stopping distance?
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I had 2 customers factory order Edges Saturday.

    People seem to be going for Edges in the barely $30,000k price range. Most of the ones we ordered at my dealer for stock are $32,000 to $36,000.

    I still think Ford should be slapped for even bothering with the Edge SE.

    The packaging/optioning on this vehicle is enough to drive someone crazy.

    The Edge should only be available in SE and SEL. The SE should really be the current SEL and the SEL should be the current SEL +.

    Also some of the little adds should be put into a package.

    All in all, I expect to do lots of Factory Orders due to the ala cart nature of the Edge.

    Mark
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Do you suppose the potential Audi customers are a tad more sophisticated/educated and therefore have a better understanding of the braking distance vs directional control compromise that is involved with an ABS equipped vehicle vs the typical Ford (gun rack included??) customer?
  • markanmarkan Posts: 48
    Mark,

    Please explain what is available ala carte on the Edge. I haven't talked to a dealer yet but from the literature I have seen it appears that the major options other than wheels and entertainment are part of a package. Thanks for the help.
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    I see your point. Sometimes though I think that though they may be a tad more educated, they may be even worse drivers and know even less about driving than your common Ford/Chevy/Honda buyer.

    Sometimes they may not even be smarter, they might just have more money. i.e. "Is chicken of the sea, not chicken?" and "What's Wal-Mart?" (qoutes from two of America's richest).
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    "... braking distance vs directional control compromise that is involved with an ABS equipped vehicle ..."

    Please elaborate on the compromise.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Here is a public link to the order guide
    http://www.fusionunleashed.com/docs/07.edgeorder.pdf

    Stand alone options for SEL + include: nav, audiophile, reverse sensing, vista roof, roof rail cross bars, all weather floor mats, and tow package You have 3 choices of 18 inch wheels or can stick with the standard 17s.

    The Trims are a little confusing. The SE is basically a base car and there won't be many out there.

    SEL is standard with cloth and without auto climate control or heated seats.

    Most SELs will have the seating flex package,
    which includes a power passenger seat, remote 2nd row release, and Leather.

    An SEL could also have the premium package INSTEAD of the seating flex package. However this car is only about $500 less than the SEL+
    Premium package includes Leather, 2 zone auto climate control, heated seats, puddle lamps, memory for mirrors and drivers seat and cabin air filter.

    SEL + is has both Seating Flex package and Premium package standard.

    If you want JUST leather, SEL with seating flex package is the way to go. If you want auto climate control and heated seats, just go for the SEL + its a better value than the SEL with optional premium package.

    Mark.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    An ideal anti-lock system would apply the brakes just to the point of ALMOST locking the wheel and then hold them there. Instead the current system predicts that the wheel will soon lock and COMPLETELY releases the brake(s) momentarily.

    The result is an on-and-off, bang/bang servo function, wherein the average braking is not as optimal as would be with a much more expensive true closed loop feedback servo system.

    Since there are some instances (many or even most??) wherein your anti-lock system is detrimental to shortest stopping distance it might be best overall to simply disable ABS unless the stability control system (VSC, PSM, etc.) detects that the vehicle is not traveling in the desired direction.

    I'm of the opinion that high traction braking distances should be published with ABS disabled completely and with it enabled. That way one would know the RAW braking HP available along with just how much of a compromise, or not, the specific ABS design entails.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    "I'm of the opinion that high traction braking distances should be published with ABS disabled completely and with it enabled. That way one would know the RAW braking HP available along with just how much of a compromise, or not, the specific ABS design entails."

    Under what road and load conditions?

    If this were done, then at least two six several tests need to be run: One with driver only, and one with 4 people and 200# of luggage in the rear. Repeat these two for dry road, and again for wet road, and again for icy road. Repeat for concrete road vs. asphalt. I guarantee that the ABS vehicle would have a MUCH shorter average stopping distance. And, on at least one of the tests, the driver would lose steering control as brake lock-up occurs.

    "COMPLETELY releases the brake(s) momentarily"

    Are you sure about this? What's your source? How long is the moment in "momentarily".

    PLEASE, PLEASE stop the reckless recommendation/implication that people should disable their ABS system.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "..Under what road and load conditions?.."

    KISS...!

    Keep It Simple...

    Other than ABS on/off why change the way it's currently being done..?

    "..Are you sure about this?.."

    ABSOLUTELY.

    That ~10hz throbbing of the brake pedal is the result of the brake pressure being released/restored to prevent wheel lockup.

    I have advised a design change in the method of implementation of ABS, not for anyone as an individual to disable same.

    But...

    According to the statistical analysis by the IIHS the addition of ABS has had a slight negative effect on overall automotive safety.

    The purpose of ABS is NOT to help you stop quicker or in a shorter distance but is there to help you maintain control while stopping as quickly as possible otherwise.

    Tell me what modern, 2004 or newer, ABS equipped vehicle you own and I'll point out to you where this, the above, statement is made in your own owners manual
  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 1,989
    Hello. Sorry if this quesiton has been answered before, but I searched and nothing came back. I am interested in knowing how it handles in the snow. Of course, I'm not thinking that it will be able to handle any off road. What I'd use it for is to drive to Lake Tahoe to go skiing. It is on major roads, but there can be quite a bit snow on the ground. A couple of weeks ago there was over a foot of snow. On paper, AWD and the 8.4" ground clearance sound pretty good, but I'd love to hear from somebody who has real world experience.

    TIA

    A.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    "..Under what road and load conditions?.."

    KISS...! "


    Driving is not simple. How about addressing the issue I presented?

    "The purpose of ABS is NOT to help you stop quicker or in a shorter distance but is there to help you maintain control while stopping as quickly as possible otherwise."

    And this is bad? Maintaining control is not important?

    Do you maintain that most (more than 50%) of drivers should disable their ABS?
  • pnewbypnewby Posts: 277
    I think the point was that ABS systems do result in longer stopping distances in many cases for "expert" drivers. ABS is good for "amateur or incompetent" drivers, (in which group I likely belong). I have seen the studies that say ABS is detrimental in many cases, but for the majority of us less than perfect drivers, is likely a good thing. Even on conditions such as deep snow or gravel roads, it can make the distances longer. ABS does away with the build up of snow or gravel in front of the wheel, but true, on ice it will help as much as possible, but the end result on such a surface probably isn't going to be too different. I truly believe AWD and stability control are the major items that can help in avoiding an accident, and yes, I am aware that SC uses the ABS as part of it's package.
    I just don't think the braking difference in the tests you have raved about would make that much difference in overall safety of the vehicle. I still prefer to look at the NHTSA and IIHS ratings when making that decision. Saw an Audi run a red light yesterday, swerve to miss a car, and flip, then hit a light pole while upside down, and I'll guarantee he was in a vehicle with great stopping distances. Luckily the cabin remained intact, and he could walk to the ambulance for the trip to be checked out.
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    "I have seen the studies that say ABS is detrimental in many cases ..."

    Please provide the sources of this claim.

    Actually, the inverse is true. A non-ABS vehicle will have an advantage under one, or just a very few pavement, weather, and vehicle load-distribution combinations. Operate outside this narrow band of parameters and ABS has a clear and very significant safety advantage.

    Consider that ABS was outlawed on F1 racing cars because it's considered a drivers' aid, making it too easy for all drivers to brake equally. In nearly every current-day race, a F1 car will crash due to brake lock-up. These are crashes that would be avoided by ABS. I suspect that these drivers are a bit more skilled than the best of America's highway drivers. And they don't have to deal with very large front-to-rear weight distribution (load) changes.

    Could today's ABS systems be improved? You bet! And it's my bet that improved systems are already being evaluated.

    " I just don't think the braking difference in the tests you have raved about..."

    Please direct me to the post where I did the raving.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    ABS is going to be mandatory as a result of the mandatory ESC requirement.

    Ford stated previously it will meet the ESC requirement by 2009 model year prior to the 2012 deadline.

    Wheter you like ABS or not, its coming.

    Mark.
  • verdugo:

    I thought I'd read a few positive comments about how the Edge handled in the snow, but could only find a brief mention of it here.

    You might find out more information at these sites - fordedgeforum.com or blueovalforums.com. Good luck.
  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 1,989
    Thanks dryland. I will check them out.
  • brihambriham Posts: 33
    Check out this Ford Edge video filmed at the old El Toro Marine Corps base:

    http://www.automedia.com/spotlight/fordedge.aspx
  • brantybranty Posts: 53
    Here is a link to a positive review of the Edge.
    http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/cc/07edge.htm

    There is an interesting comment about the brakes which does not suggest any major concerns: "The brakes are strong, though the pedal is a bit spongy. There's about an inch of useless pedal travel before the binders bite, but once they do, they're easy to modulate for smooth stops."
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Some Ford Stats:

    ‘TOP TEN’ FORD AND LINCOLN MERCURY HIGHLIGHTS
    By Staff Report
    Published: March 13, 2007

    Ford Edge Market Share Neck and Neck with Nissan Murano : In February, its second full month on sale, the Ford Edge earned a 12.5 percent share of the medium crossover utility segment – higher than the gas-model Toyota Highlander (11.7 percent) and closing in on the Nissan Murano (12.6 percent).

    Ford Edge Outsells GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook Combined : In February, Ford sold a total of 7,997 Edges, 521 more units than the gas-powered Toyota Highlander and only 103 units less than Nissan Murano. Edge outsold the GMC Acadia and Saturn Outlook combined by 1,814 units.

    Lincoln MKX Passes Competitors :In January and February, its first two full months on sale, the 2007 Lincoln MKX outsold the Cadillac SRX by nearly 17 percent (4,007 units vs. 3,432 units). On average, each Lincoln MKX is sold or “turned” in 12 days. That is four days faster than the Acura MDX, more than twice as fast as the Cadillac SRX and Lexus RX 350, and more than three times faster than Infiniti FX35, according to J.D. Power PIN data.

    Ford Mustang Share up Sharply : The Mustang dramatically improved its market share in the sporty coupe segment in the first two months of the year, rising from 39 percent in 2006 to 51 percent today. While overall sales are down so far this year, the spring and summer selling seasons (March – August) account for more than half of annual sales.

    Ford Escape, Mercury Mariner Hybrid Tax Credits Increase :Because the real world fuel economy of the Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner Hybrids increased for the 2008 model year, the Federal income tax credits available now are $3,000 for FWD models (up $400) and $2,200 on 4WD models (up $250). The Ford and Mercury Hybrids now have the highest tax credit of any hybrid – up to $900 more than the closest competitor. For both vehicles, the new EPA-certified fuel economy for FWD models is 34 mpg city and 30 mpg highway, and 29 mpg city and 27 mpg highway for AWD models.

    Insurance Discounts for Ford Escape, Mercury Mariner Hybrids : Travelers, one of the largest providers of personal insurance products in the United States, offers hybrid drivers in the states of California, New Jersey, Texas, New York, Maryland, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia and Washington discounts of up to 10 percent on certain coverages. The company estimates their hybrid policy business grew by 200 percent in 2006.

    Ford Fusion, Ford Escape Rank among the Top “Smart Cars for Teens,” according to www.forbes.com. Among the criteria: value, reliability and safety. Fusion was singled out by Forbes for its standard safety equipment, good crash test ratings, gas mileage, “very good” accident-avoidance capabilities and “much better than average” predicted reliability.

    “Ford is Showing Moxie,” according to a www.businessweek.com column. Writing about the Ford Challenge, the columnist said, “Suburban and Tahoe have the best reputations in the full-size SUV market…but the new Expedition, especially the extended version, to me, seems like a better styled and packaged vehicle than the Chevy SUVs. The interior is first rate, and the third-row seat advantage is clear.” The column also said, “The Ford Fusion is a car that far over-achieves … perception, and that is a story that can be told.”

    Greener Miles: With the launch of the 2008 Ford Taurus and Mercury Sable this summer, every sedan Ford and Mercury sell in California, New York, Connecticut, Maine and Massachusetts will be available with a “green” powertrain option. The Ford Focus, Fusion I-4 and Taurus will be PZEVs, or partial zero emissions vehicles, as will the Mercury Milan I-4 and Mercury Sable. That makes their tailpipe emissions as clean – or cleaner – than many hybrids. The Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis, meanwhile, are E-85-capable in all 50 states, with increased ethanol usage reducing the country’s dependence on imported oil.

    Rock Stars, Ford Cars and Guitars : Three Fords will be centerpieces of the exhibit “Rock Stars, Cars and Guitars,” which opens at The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Mich. on June 9. They are the 1971 De Tomaso Pantera formerly owned by Elvis Presley, which includes a bullet hole shot by the King himself; the 1932 “Silver Sapphire” Ford coupe that appeared on the cover of the Beach Boys’ album “Little Deuce Coupe”; and the 1932 Ford Hi-Boy Phaeton hot rod featured in the Van Halen music video “Hot for Teacher.”

    http://www.blueovalnews.com/index.php?categoryid=12&p2_articleid=501

    Mark
  • brihambriham Posts: 33
    Pretty cool video shot at El Toro, the former Marine Corps base:

    Ford Edge Video
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    So Ford is impressed? They had a good month! And the HL is down as people wait for the redesigned model later this year.

    At least Ford has some news that's positive. I guess you have to toot your horn to drum up some traffic.

    What's up with the new ad campaign. Who's comparing a Edge and a BMW or Lexus RX? That ain't happenin'! :lemon:

    Ford is smokin' what Hyundai is smokin'. Both are struggling, and using old ideas to sell new cars.

    How about selling against your competition, not your dreams? :confuse:

    DrFill
  • lnelsonrlnelsonr Posts: 1
    We've purchased a new 2007 Ford EDGE (non-AWD) and LOVE it. We shopped what we consider to be all the competitive models and found it to be the best value among the group.

    But, I have a question. When sitting on an incline, with the transmission in "D"rive, and with foot off the brake, the vehicle freely coasts backwards with nothing restricting it.

    My Ford F150, in the same situation, won't roll backwards when in "D"rive. It does go back about six inches and then kinda locks in place until you hit the gas. This has been my experience with all automatic transmission cars in the past.

    So, existing owners, I need your input. Does your vehicle coast backwards when in "D"rive, or do I have a defective transmission? The Ford Service Manager doesn't feel it's an issue. I do.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    The only way to tell if it was designed that way is to try a different Edge and see if it behaves the same way. It probably will.

    This is a function of the amount of power the engine produces at idle and the stall speed of the torque converter. If the engine produces enough power at idle for the torque converter to begin transferring power to the tranmission, the car will move forward. This is normal on a flat surface - at idle speed the car will move forward if you release the brake. However, if you're on an incline then more power is required to move the vehicle forward (or at least stop it from rolling backwards).

    Truck engines are tuned to produce more torque at lower rpm and the torque converter should have a lower stall speed - both of which make the truck less likely to roll backwards at idle speed.

    Welcome to the world of higher RPM, lower torque car engines.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hey doc - funny I should find you agitating over here, too! ;) Let's keep this one on topic, okay?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,668
    Lexus is known for quietness and BMW is known for performance. The fact that the Edge beats them in their respective best in class categories says a lot more than if they just compared the edge to a Murano.

    Edge is quieter than a Murano!

    Edge is quieter than a Lexus RX350!

    Especially since the cars being compared are thousands of dollars more than the edge.

    I have no problem with this as long as it's apples to apples (all midsize CUVs). If it's apples to oranges then it gets silly (Fusion handles better than a Mercedes GL e.g.).
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    The Edge has a variable displacement ATF pump so anything is possible....

    No good reason to have high ATF pressure/volume unless the throttle is open beyond idle, better FE overall to boot.
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  • Gotta call ya out on this one. The Edge is #2 in sales in it's class (a hair shy of #1) in it's first month of release without relying on fleet sales and you take it upon yourself to translate that into a bad thing?

    The fact is, if the Edge had a Toyota badge on it and the Lexus RX had the Ford badge, you'd be talking the same smack.

    Did the vaunted Toyota Tundra make it to #2 in it's class in it's first month of sales? It's not even going to make it to #4 this year.

    The Edge has sold well because it is a superior vehicle at a bargain price. Heck, I even bought one. I traded in my BMW for it, by the way, which retired as the car that has caused me the most problems and had the highest cost of ownership of any vehicle I have ever owned.

    I'm not real sure what to make of your other comments....

    Using old ideas to sell new cars? It would be nice if you pointed out a few of those old ideas. It would be even nicer if you would compare and contrast the old ideas to some new ideas that other companies are using. It's not enough to spout the catch phrase if you have no logic behind it.

    Selling against you competition, not your dreams. Another nice catch phrase. I take it you think that Ford should target Hyundai as competition and that no one in their right mind would purchase a Ford when there are plenty of BMWs and Lexi to be had. I have some news for you, sir. I assure you there are many Ford vehicles that cost quite a bit more than some BMWs and Lexi, and some of them sell pretty well. Go to a Ford dealership at your convenience to learn just how much one can spend on a truck if one chooses to do so. Trust me. I own one of them too.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    You can only wish, as I do, that Ford could/would build a vehicle in the class of the RX. But it is nice that they are leading the pack with the Edge to defeat the industry wide FWD problem with 1-2 second transaxle downshift delay/hesitation via a variable displacement ATF pump.

    Nice.

    Now if Ford would just "license" that design aspect, technology, to Honda in exchange for the SH-AWD technology.
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