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2007 Ford Edge
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I really like the Edge but if it's 5k more than a CX7, that could be trouble. I'd like to know if the CX7 will require premium fuel for the turbo.
If you're right, and you might be, expect high $ incentives early on (within 6 months of intro) to move them. A 25K base with a loaded model at 32K would sell briskly without rebates. We'll have to wait and see what direction Ford wants to take. It looks like they've got a winner - I hope they don't screw it up again!
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I think you're about right on. If Ford can price the base under 25k and sell most for under 30k, they've got a winner. If most models turn up at 30k plus, buyers will cross the street to the Mazda dealer and get a 25k CX7.
Also, a 250hp V6 5speed auto Saturn Vue starts at about 22k. So anything over 27k for an Edge looks pretty excessive.
Great job by Ford with the 250hp 3.5V6 and the 6 speed auto. It's about time.
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I agree that 4000lbs is a lot of weight for a 5pass vehicle. If that weight translated to 80 cu ft of cargo space but it doesn't. I wish the Edge had come in under 3600lbs but we can't have everything.
If the combined mileage is mid 20s, that's not bad for 4000lbs. The size and weight of the Edge is the price we pay to get that upscale, "luxury" image. Every Edge owner will know an Escape is his "poor" cousin.
I would NOT expect a fully loaded Edge to get too close to $30K because it will compete with the Lincoln MKX.
Expect the Mazda-CX7 to place in the mid-$20K up to $30K.
Since these vehicles share the Mazda-6 platform (Fusion, Milan, Zephyer, etc.) they should weigh 3500-4000 pounds with the MKX being the heaviest with more sound-deadening insulation.
I was surprised to see on Ford's media web site that the fuel milage will only be in the mid 20-MPG range on the highway. Ford shows 18-19 city and 24 highway and premium required for the CX-7 version. Even though I drive over 35,000 miles per year, a CX-7 would only save me about $300 per year over an Explorer Limited V8 (with regular at $2.40 and premium at $2,60). Even though the Edge will run on regular, and probably achieve a bit better mileage than the CX-7, it would probably only save me about $900 per year on fuel vs the Explorer Limited V8. For someone who drives more typical distances, the annual savings would be less than half those amounts.
Now consider the weights. Ford shows that an Edge with front wheel drive will weigh 4,086 pounds, while Edmunds shows that an Explorer Limited V8 with rear wheel drive weighs 4,531 pounds. The Edge weighs just 445 pounds less! For comparison, the CX-7 weight is listed as 3,710 for the front wheel drive version, so it is a bit lighter. The Edge is just too heavy.
The price of the Edge and other CUVs will be lower than that of the traditional SUVs, so if there are any significant savings to be had, it will only be there. However, the traditional SUV has more interior space, the option of a third row seat, and towing capabilities which the CUVs can't match.
I have no doubts that the Edge and CX-7 will sell well, but they would be far more attractive if Ford would engineer out the excessive weight.
Some things which did not impress me about this car:
Highway mileage in Mid 20s? (Is that an AWD figure?) The 3.5 was touted as being more fuel efficient than the 3.0 Duratec but the highway mileage for the Freestyle AWD is 24 mpg. (I think I remember reading an expected 10% improvement in a press release for the 3.5 about 2 years ago). Where is the fuel efficiency of this new engine/tranny if it is rated in the mid 20s? And don't conclude it is getting eaten up by the extra weight of the Edge as we are talking EPA figures and the movement of the vehicle is already in motion for Highway MPG tests. Plus the Edge has a 6 speed transmission and that feature was supposed to be worth an extra 6%-7% in fuel economy.
In additon my AWD Freestyle really manages only about 16mpg in the city when it is EPA rated for 19mpg. And less than 24 on the highway. I expect the same rate of deteriation with the new 3.5 regardless of what figure the EPA puts on it. I remember reading the new 3.5 was supposed to be comparable in weight and size to the current 3.0 so that can't be the reason.
The suspension of the Freestyle is more advanced than the Edge's (Mazda 6) platform. So I am having a hard time of understanding why the Edge weighs more. I haven't ridden in a vehicle with this platform but it would have a long way to go to impress me more than the Freestyle/500 chasis.
Only a five passenger vehicle? I agree that it will have to start out around $22 grand to get people to choose this over the Freestyle (starts around $24). Probably the reason Ford is moving the Freestyle to a Mercury nameplate.
Maybe they are counting on it's HotWheels appearance. And I guess there are people that would be swooned into a purchasing decision based on that alone. But there are rational ones who foresee $3.00 a gallon gas prices not too far away as a norm.
I am not impressed with the interior layout. The door arm rests looks really small and cheap. The center console stack is just ho-hum. Not like the big round climate control vents on the Freestyle with a unique dash storage bin.
Futuristic appearance but where are the futuristic announcements for a Hybrid version? Yes, Ford did say in the future... but when an how much? Ford makes mention of a possible High Performance version but why no mention of a more Green tuned version?
"OH but I want those beautiful large 18 inch wheels, they look beautiful"...
Trade-Off=Your MPG drops because of the added weight, and the amount of tire that makes contact with the road.
"OH but it better be quieter than a Lexus"...
Tradeoff= About 200lbs more in insulation, thicker windows, thicker windshield, bigger seals, thicker carpeting and material padding.
"OH but it better have the best safety test ratings"...
Tradeoff= More weight, thick crosscar crossmembers (most other vehicles do not even have this feature, lifted from the D3 vehicles. Vehicle designed to superceed future side-crash standards.
Then you have a circle, where "I want the vehicle to be more fuel efficient", but then toss the above requirements, and it's important to find a good balance.
More extensive use of aluminum can also help reduce weight, but...
A) Costlier to repair if there's an accident, and some parts would just require total replacement, which this might trickle down and require higher insurance premiums for customers.
Not every autoshow can work with aluminum, specially if used extensive in the platform (as Jag XJ, Audi A8).
C) ??? It's forgivable at $65K+, but for a vehicle that will start around $25K, it'll inflate the price a bit on the bottom end.
The Duratec35 will fit, and takes up just as much space as where the Duratec30 now fits. It also doesn't weight anymore than that current powerplant. The 6 speed automatic weights a bit less as well in retrospect.
Hybrid versions will follow after they are made available first on the Fusion/Milan.
BTW, the CX-7 will require premium because of it's forced induction engine. While the Edge/MKX will make due with regular. Again, the zoom-zoom customers might be a bit less forgiving for doing so, than the Edge customer.
In fact, if the Duratec35 goes premium with some minor changes, your looking around 275-290HP easily.
I wonder how many people will buy an Edge because CUVs are "hot" and SUVs are not, and how many will calculate their annual fuel cost and buy a traditional SUV?
If people would evaluate their needs more realistically and order a vehicle, rather than taking whatever is on the lots, they would minimize the vehicle weight, cost, and complexity (future repair costs). For example, a sun/moon roof is something I would rarely use, but which is expensive and heavy, so I won't buy it. Other people might really want a sun/moon roof, but not want four wheel drive, a third row seat, or whatever else.
And yet sites like this one (Edmunds) actually show that options DO increase the resale value . . quite substantially, actually.
What they show and what you'll get are two different things. You're better off buying the "step up" packages so to speak - as in LS to LT to LTZ for Chevy - than buying an LS full of LTZ options. A family member recently sold an '04 Infiniti G35 coupe and while the "car" retained over 80% of it's MSRP, the $4,000 in options retained $1,500 - that's typical and reinforces fsmmcsi's comments.
Sorry, but I can not get over the nose on the 500. I like the back (I think it is mercedes-esque, but the nose is a real downer.
Kerry.
Many of the components for the Edge are designed to last 150K miles. Of course, there's always going to be some that don't last that long. I'm amazed, anything lasts in any of my cars with the foot I have.
When are we going to see the Magellan?
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I checked the Chicago Auto Show website and the Megellan is not listed as being one of the cars on show (unless Ford/Mercury pull of a surprise). So I guess we will have to wait until the New York Auto Show in April....
A 12 year old car with 40k miles is still a 12 year old car.
"Compared to the Freestyle, I notice that the Edge is shorter (185.7 vs 200.7), taller (67 vs 60.1), and heavier (4098 vs. 3649)"
Think about this, the Edge that is less capable then the Freestyle is the one that will actually NEED the 3.5l to keep up with it's big brother Freestyle because 50hp is about right to haul around all the extra weight that forward thinking, well conceived design needed to be realized to the satisfaction of the buying public. Let's not forget that other enemy, frontal area, that's going to need a few poines as well to push it inefficiently through the air. In the end, Such a leap forward, I think not you just spelled it out yourself, who's kidding who at the end of the day here folks. Freestyle wins hand's down and I haven't even mentioned the Volvo platform it rides on and the safety features that gives it...
I work right down the street from the Javits Center, so I guess I'll check it out at the NY Auto show.
The strange and ugly bar across the part of the Freestyle dash where a storage compartment should be located is the main shortcoming when compared with the Edge interior, and the Edge lacks the very nice storage compartment at the top center of the dash in the Freestyle.
As for fastest in its class, what are the other members of the class? Just the Pacifica, a vehicle which is slow enough that I do consider it to be unsafe? If the class includes more crossovers such as the Edge, Freestyle, RX330, MDX, and so forth, then the Freestyle is certainly not the fastest.
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Logical or not, style sells cars as much as substance. The Freestyle is probably more practical. But it also looks more like a wagon. IMO, the Edge wins on style. It has an upscale sporty look that will compete with the Murano and Lexus330. If it's thousands less than those two, Ford will sell every one they make.
The right side of our brain knows the Freestyle is a better choice. But the left side of our brain wants the Edge.
Same with the Mustang, which was rated tops in it's segment for initial quality (the little issues that occur on the first few months of ownership). And that's on a totally new vehicle, in a newly refurbished flexible plant. Talk about something that COULD have gone wrong, and didn't.
Same with the 500/Mtg/FS, and also rated high in their segments for initial quality, and it's launch went flawlessly.
So far with the debut of the F/M/Z, the launch has gone very well also.
Ford currently has SixSigma team which goes over each vehicle with a fine tooth comb to make sure everything is perfect before being released, and that same attention to detail will be used for the Edge/MKX.
I await a look at it, and will definitely put in on my short list of vehicles to consider when my Mountaineer lease is up next year.
I was going to get the new Toyota FJ Cruiser but those clowns stuck a white roof on that, no thanks!
Ford Edge has the best dimensions/proportions of any car to date.
none of this will impact gas mileage any, but performance is exciting (for once not just in a Mustang). but even fresh off the showroom floor the relatively heavy (read: refined) Edge will get better mileage than my 2.5L 5-speed Ranger with 100HP increase, so I'm not concerned.
you're much better off buying the 4Runner it's based on, though that will set you back at least a few thousand more. it's a foot shorter overall and 4" less wheelbase and not as geared towards your mainstream consumer in and out (think a Honda Element on steroids). cool, but like most kitchy cars the coolness factor will wear off quicker than most.
Some good news for January 22 out of Ford.