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Cadillac Escalade

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I see, you do know that no matter what you do to the brakes, motor or suspension, you can't increase the GVWR rating on it? It's a common misconception that putting more power or bigger springs or bigger brakes will increase the towing capacity. IIRC the chassis itself (wheelbase, axle ratings) is what dictates the GVWR. (and I wasn't attacking you personally, just making a generalization about people who soup-up SUVs then do 60mph on the highway with em)

    -mike
  • Yes, it may be a marketing term, but it also represents a history of performance V8 engines. I someone mentions a Hemi in reference to a modern day truck or SUV, it is understood to be the 5.7L V8 with HEMI written all over it, and the vehicle. 330-345HP and 360-380 Ft-lbs is nothing to sneeze at.

    I'm not knocking the Trooper with my comments. I used to have a 99 loaded with everything except sun roof. It is a very capable machine on and off road. Modest V6 with low geared differential (4.3) if memory is correct, and tranny performance button engaged, helped it get around just fine. Hated the suspension, great for off-road but very tippy on the highway,and around town. My solution, replaced all the shocks with Edalbrock IAS, and installed larger sway bars w/polyeurothane bushings. Also, switched out the torshon bars for stonger ones. Road much better. Not much to do with performance, except K&N filter. Great buy used, I got killed when I traded it in.
  • GVWR is not a problem. Physics can be. Luckily for me, my vehicles are up to the task for hauling and towing, even when stock. That dosn't mean I can't find ways to improve ride and performance characteristics. In other words, I'm not trying to tow a 27' boat with a Honda CRV. You get the picture : )
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    You are probably not the ones that that is pointed at. Heck, I'm probably going to be going with a Duramax 2500HD as my next truck, since I like the Isuzu duribility and need the milage associated with a diesel for my towing milage (10K+ a year towing 5000lbs)

    -mike

    PS: I did similar upgrades on my trooper as well bushings, lift, tires, t-bars etc. Mostly for offroading.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Nvbanker, I looked at the SRX SUV and was surprised at how cheap the dash looked. The third seat is nice but the interior looks like a "lower" end car.

    The Escalade ESV is a nice SUV. I like the look of the extended chassis. If I spring for a larger SUV, the Escalade is what I would want after looking at what is offered for all manufactures.

    Mark
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The only other SUV that attracts me is the LX -470, which looks marginally better inside than the Escalade, IMO, but can't match the outside. Feels good though. The Navigator got my business because of the folding rear seat and IRS. But the Caddy is second on my list. Lexus is third. I looked at the Rover, but it's really for off road, IMO. And way too small.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    mmm LX470

    Yum Yum!

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Nice, huh?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    IMHO the LX470 is one of the best off-road vehicles as well as one of the most reliable SUVs on the world market. I have lots of friends in 3rd world countries where "highways" are unpaved, etc. and they all swear by the Toyota Land Cruiser (LX470). Fit and finish is top notch and stays that way for 10+ years and 200K miles...

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I'm sure it will. I love how it feels - just not quite large enough for my needs, and I'm not crazy about the looks.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    If it were longer, it wouldn't be as good off-road (wheelbase is already stretching the limits). For looks, I'm more into the nity grity of the vehicle, me personally I don't care how a vehicle looks, so long as it's functional. :)

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Oh, man. You shouldn't SAY things like that to me! Makes me want to say something like, "then you're in the right car, man"!, which would be unkind, so I won't say that.

    I demand more, I need the function, but I also like to admire my steed, so I need it to please me when I look at it too. Fortunately, there is plenty to choose from these days. Not like in 96, when I first needed an SUV, and I had the choices of smaller Explorer sized units, or something like a Bronco. With even leather seats, hard to come by.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well that's why is specified that me personally, I know others are more into the looks than I am. :)

    -mike
  • of "why are you paying about 50K for an SUV, while attractive as it it, without any side curtain airbags"...id love to see anyone's response to this!
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Not everyone likes airbags. I personally dislike them as they cause more damage than good in all but a handful of accidents. If you are properly wearing your 3-point belts, you will fair well in a crash. Airbags are IMHO for the lazy folks who can't put on their belts.

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Side curtain airbags are for rollovers in large SUVs. But, you might note, rctennis.....the Navigator has them, which is what I bought.

    And I disagree with Mike about the "more damage than good" thing. They can hurt you, steel, glass & concrete can kill you. You decide, is how I look at it. Give me bags......
  • Is the only thing I do not like. Its too chevy Tahoe with wood.

    I do not see why they just cant call it Chevy deluxe instead of Cadillac.

    Look Here

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  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Reminds me of the old Expedition/Navigator Interiors (they were identical as well).. but Lincoln wised up and distanced the Lux Gator with a much nicer interior for 03. I hope Cadillac does the same as well soon.
  • theo2709theo2709 Posts: 476
    The next Escalade may move up to be more of a Range Rover competitor, meaning it will have a (much) more luxurious interior, and possibly V12 and/or V10 offerings.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well, anything inside would be nice, but I haven't noticed the interiors on the Cadillacs being their best feature lately. The CTS & SRX look great - until you sit down inside. Then Saturn comes to my mind.

    If they could even bother to make a different steering wheel for the Escalade, it would help a lot.
  • looking at that photo comparison made me laugh. Why? Because it shows how cheesy Escalade's interiors are. Seriously, why pay 50K for a Tahoe/Suburban with wood trim and metallic clusters!?! Just buy the base LS Tahoe, and add aftermarket wood for about 500 bucks. DONE DEAL! Lincoln Navigator seems worth it though, especially for an interior that nice!!!
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    which is why I have the Navigator. BUT, you don't just get plood on your wheel & dash, you also get a monster engine (6.0L, I think, I've had tee many martunies to be sure at this point) that you don't get in the Tahoe,Yukon,Suburban.

    Although I prefer the design and features of the Navigator, I'm thinking the Escalade may be made a little more solidly. The Navigator drives great, but seems to have a few more rattles & squeaks than I'm used to from a Lincoln.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Guys, the Cadillac/Chevy dashes look fine....It's a truck! The Caddy has a longer warranty, larger engine and different suspension than the Chevy. The Cadillac has full leather on all three rows and heated second row seats standard; the Chevy/GMC do not. It's not exactly comparing apples to apples when talking MSRP.

    Although I like the Lincoln Nav, that big plastic door that covers the center dash is not that "up scale" looking. And moving the window switches to the center console was a mistake in my opinion. I have them on both of my Mercedes and would rather have them on the driver's door. Some Mercedes models have changed the window swithces to the door.

    Just my .02. Mark
  • yea its a truck, but its a luxury SUV!!!! its not made for hauling plywood...its made for people wanting a nice, luxurious car but don't want the added security of being higher off the ground, V8 power, and AWD/4WD. Cadillac should've used their new design from the SRX and CTS.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    IMO, the SRX, CTS interiors are nothing to brag about.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Nvbanker, I agree totally. My neighbor bought a 2002 CTS after having trading a 1994 Seville. It's a nice car (had to program the dash computer for her) but the dash is average looking to me.

    The dash on the Escalade is nice and decent looking and I have two Mercedes to compare it to! For a large truck, everything is placed where it should be and is easy to get to. That's what I like about it. The adjustable pedals are nice too.

    For me, luxury or not, I'll carry whatever I want in the back whether it be plywood or a piece of furniture, bicycle or any other item. Yes, I like a nice SUV but I want it for it the utility too.

    My ML500 is a 2002 and I think I'll keep it another year then trade it. The Escalade is at the top of my list for a larger SUV because I like the rear bumper sensors that the GMC Yukon XL doesn't have. I know that the Navigator has them but I want the extended chassis on whatever I get. I think Lincoln will offer a longer vehicle and will consider it once it arrives.

    M.
  • I, too, agree that the SRX/CTS interior is underwhelming. Too much plastic on the dash!! The SRX should've copied the interior of maybe the Toureg, FX, XC90, or Aviator. All those seem much nicer. The CTS should've been more like the G35, which is the best sports sedan out there (unless you say the 3-series which is way too pricey and not worth it). All that real wood isn't enough to take my eyes away from the black dash. Even with the beige "neutral" interior, the dash is still black!! Talk about cost-cutting! The dash in the Escalade is even worse. LOL Maybe Cadillac is reading this right now and thinking "boy, he must be right..."
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Interior in my luxo cars. With silver brushed alumin. accents.

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I'm not monitoring this board to knock the Slade, but rather to watch what is being said about it, in the event I want to get one next time. I've not driven one, but I have driven the Yukon, and certainly, it's competent, comfy & well built. I'm hoping GM picks up some features that the Navigator has, or even some it doesn't have besides just the big engine to make the Slade competitive. First on the list, would be a WOW interior design. But frankly, I like the one it has better than what I see going into the SRX.
  • nferrnferr Posts: 32
    We drove a loaded up Tahoe and an Escalade back to back. Went straight from the Chevy dealer to the Caddy dealer. There's quite a bit of distance between the two. Yes you can tell they're obviously from the same basic design but the Caddy is smoother and faster. The steering is quite a bit lighter and the Escalade is quieter too. It just has a more luxury car feel to it.

    The interior, while similar in dash shape and the gauges, is also much more luxurious overall. The leather seats and door panels are nicer, there's zebrano wood trim and lots of little touches that really dress it up over the Tahoe. Almost everything is standard on the Escalade. You have to drive and see them back to back to really note how different they are.

    Of course exterior style is a matter of taste but the Escalade seems to be the popular hot looking SUV right now.
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