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Cadillac Escalade

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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Tdoh, all I know, is that the sensors saved me that day that I dropped my friends off. I didn't have to buy a garage door. So often, I use the front sensors to pull up close to something; I never have to guess how close I am, the sensors do that for me. I like it. The ML has a very slanted front end, it's a little hard to tell where the front stops. That's why I ordered the sensors for this vehicle.

    Mark
  • tdohtdoh Posts: 298
    mark156--I wasn't implying that front sensors aren't a nice option to have, but that I can see how more than a few folks can start to rely on them to the point where they would totally be dependent on them. IOW--I can see some folks becoming so dependent/trusting of sensors to the point that if they somehow still manage to hit something due to the sensors either not alerting them soon enough or not at all, I'd be willing to bet that they'd blame the sensors before they blame themselves.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    You mean like we all have become so dependent upon rear and side view mirrors, instead of turning around and looking behind us?
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    I guess we could always remove our power windows, power steering, tinted windows, power locks, radial tires and be right back in 1940! LOL

    Technology is a great thing.... let's embrace it!

    Kinda looking at the Range Rover now....even though the Escalade is larger.

    Two friends of mine bought new RR and I was impressed on the fit and finish. Darn, if they just had a third seat! I know, I know, the Discovery does but I like the looks of the Range Rover.

    Mark
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Yeah, I agree, besides, the Discovery is a dead model. It's being replaced in 05. I do believe though, that the Escalade has better long term reliability. The RR is european, and has typical European maintenance issues.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I believe it's BMW under the skin, no?

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The current RR is a BMW design, with a BMW engine inside. Ford has just started to change things, so it may be a decade before the come up the standards Jaguar has acquired now.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    "up" to standards that's soo funny when a company needs to come "up" to FORD standards. Haaaaaaaaa

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Get over it, Mike. Ford saved Jaguar and everyone knows it. They are not consistently the best, but Jag is now as good or better than other Euro brands
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    i know I just find it funny as all getup! That Ford Quality raised Jag. I dunno if it's as good or better than MB, BMW though, that's a bit of a stretch.

    -mike
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Fair enough.....
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Hey NV, I was walking out of Rodgers Gardens and Nursery in Newport Beach, CA, and saw a black Escalade and Black Navigator parked side by side. It looked as though the Navigator was a tad longer than the Cadillac (short Escalade). Both appeared to be the same height.

    Do you have the automatic running boards on your Nav?

    Mark
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The Nav is longer, Mark. The 2 trucks are really very different. I opted not to get the power running boards. The unit I wanted didn't have 'em, and they were not a big deal to me. Now, the power folding 3rd row seat - that was a must have! In fact, I would opt for the Navigator over any other SUV on that feature alone. I'm so happy not to have to stow that seat anymore!
  • Anyone with a 2002 AWD 6.0L have this problem: Heard only when the engine is just above a normal idle.
    It is rather embarrassing to say the least, as a quality SUV should not be doing this.
    Dealer knows about it, but claims there is no factory fix available!

    -Derrel
    Wondering whatever happened to "Lets make it right."
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Was replaced by, - Fix it right the first time.
  • beach15beach15 Posts: 1,305
    Finally, some pics of the next generation Tahoe/Yukon! Not the Escalade, but it gives a good idea of what to expect overall. Look significantly different, especially from the b-pillar back. Taller and flatter seem to be what I get out of it.

    http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=178&sid=178&a- rticle=7703

    Some people are saying these are '06s, others say '07s. Not sure.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,426
    No one shopping the 'slade anymore?

     

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  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Steve, I sure had interest in the 2003 Escalade ESV last year but I decided to keep my Mercedes ML500 another year. I even thought about the 2004, but now, the 2005's are here and the body style will change soon. I guess I'll keep driving my ML, most likly, for even another year until the warranty expires.

     

    At this point, I wouldn't buy the current Escalade, I would wait for the update in '06 or '07. If I were to trade next fall, I would hope the '06 would be the restyle with better upgrades for the interior. Also, I would like to see Cadillac add front bumper sensors.

     

    I'm also leaning towards the new Land Rover LR3.

     

    Mark
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,426
    "GMT900" architecture (Inside Line)

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I hope the new Slade has something better than the Silverado interior with some plood and pleather. I also hope it has a third seat that power-folds into the floor like the Navigator does - I refuse to lift another third row seat out of an SUV ever again and for that reason alone, won't consider the Escalade until they get with the times and get competitive. An IRS would also be nice.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,426
    "A Cadillac spokesperson has contradicted rumors and reports that a redesigned Escalade SUV will be the first car to ride on General Motors' GMT900 platform"

    2007 Cadillac Escalade will share its new platform (Inside Line)

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Well - so much for Cadillac being Special, once again.......
  • smmillersmmiller Posts: 19
    We were recently in the market for a full size Luxury UTE. We evaluated the Navigator, the Escalade, the QX56, and the Yukon Denali.

    We really liked the QX56 -- but I have to be honest -- the horror stories posted on the QX56 forum kept us away. We loved the space inside the vehicle -- 2nd row space is incredible. The fold down rear seats, the silky smooth power, great ride. There were a few things we did not like at all -- the door handles are the cheesiest things on the planet. They just didn't communicate "quality" in any sense. If a basic detail like that is so bad -- the things we read in the QX56 forum are very easy to believe. the location of the digital clock & compass is bizarre. the clock is so cheezy it looks like a 1960's retro clock! The Nav system with the toggle was a real pain in the [non-permissible content removed] to use. Even with all of those little things we didn't like the rest of the vehicle is far ahead and this vehicle has promise if Infiniti can clean these up and deliver reliability. We will take a strong at these again next time we're in the market.

    We also looked at the Navigator. The 2005 is a fine vehicle. The only thing I really disliked was the stupid door that opens and closes over the Nav system/radio. What's up with that? I also found the ride to be too soft for me. I want to feel some contact with the road under me and there just wasn't any with the Navigator. The power rear seats and lift gate were sort of cool -- but completely useless for me because we'll never use the 3rd row seats and I'm tall enough that raising/lowering the lift gate is not an issue. Pricing on the Navigator is extremely soft! Dealers were all offering $10-$12k off MSRP in their newspaper ads! Resale value down the road was a real concern.

    We never expected to give the Yukon and the Escalade much of a look. We decided we would give them a shot. The base Yukon wasn't interesting at all. The Denali was clearly a big step up. The biggest downside for us is that the 3rd row seats don't fold down -- so we would have to take them out and store them somewhere. These are not moving either and the dealer was frank in telling us that we would get a great deal. A Chevy dealer down the street was advertising brand new Tahoes at 25% off MSRP!

    We then went and drove the Escalade. We were quite surprised. It had the most comfortable front seats of all! With enough adjustment settings that it was easy to find just the perfect settings for me. When you're over 6 feet-- that can be a challenge in a lot of vehicles. The ride was clearly superior to the Denali and the Escalade was noticeably quieter than the Denali and somewhat quieter than the Infiniti. We had been driving a Trailblazer and found the similarities comforting. We were used to how the controls worked and they were located where we expected them to be. The touch screen Nav system is easy to use too.

    In our final rankings of the Vehicles we ended up with (this is highly personal and subjective) the following:

    Cadillac Escalade
    Infinity QX56
    Lincoln Navigator
    GMC Yukon Denali

    We also looked at Consumer Reports. The Cadillac isn't covered but it's based on the same platform as the Yukon/Tahoe which is a CR best buy and recent model years are scoring very very well. We felt very comfortable with the quality of the Cadillac. The extra year or 14k of Warranty is also a nice extra over the Denali.

    The Infiniti's quality reputation was a deal killer for us. If we hadn't read the QX56 forum we probably never would have test driven the Escalade or Navigator. Our initial impression was that high!

    In the end we (as you probably guessed) moved up from the Trailblazer to the Escalade. We absolutely love it. We got ours with the big 20" wheels & tires -- which look great and makes the vehicle ride higher. The downside of the big tires is extra road noise when we drive on some of the heavily rutted freeways. Moving over and driving in the passing lane generally cures that problem.

    Our recommendation is to drive all 4 of these vehicles -- none is far superior to any of the others. Your choice will likely come down to subjective personal criteria and quality reputation. If you're sensitive to price the Denali is a great value right now. Otherwise I think it's a race between the Escalade and the Navigator until Infiniti cleans up its act. The QX56 has a lot of promise.
  • chiru550chiru550 Posts: 1
    Help! I need advice on which way to go.....
    I am looking at the Escalade EXT fully loaded for $649 (tax included)
    or at a few other options.
    I have been told that there are much better ones out there, but I was kinda of stuck as to which way I should go. I have a 4 month old and I want to make sure I have the best one for him and my wife, while at the same time I don't want to get a bad deal. Any thoughts???????
  • bosshoggbosshogg Posts: 16
    Micro- I wanted to thank you. After reading your comments it brought a chuckle to my day. Surely, you were just kidding but I will indulge you. When the 2002 Cadillac Escalade first rolled into dealerships in 2001 it started a whirl wind that has yet to stop. Everyone from your mother to your little brother was talking about the new Cadillac SUV. The Escalade is still to date the most powerfull SUV in its class offers the most value for your dollar, and in my opinion has the most presence of all the SUV's.The Escalade set an industry standard and sent all the major players back into their design rooms for evauluation.Dont pretend that you dont remember, people were not even thinking about putting wheels on there SUV's, untill the "Mack Daddy" came out. I should also add that with General Motors being the largest coorperation in the US. not to mention having the #1 selling full size LUX. SUV in the US. (hahah sorry Im chuckling again) I could be wrong but I highly doubt that will lose much sleep that the Cadillac Master "game plan" did not work and you skipped over the "showroom". Lastly ill give you the benefit of the doubt, that you were just mistaken again so i will clarify. The Escalade is a Full Size LUX SUV the ml 320 and rx 300 are in a smaller lux class and perhaps they do dominate in that clas.... oh wait! I spoke to soon they already have there hands full with the Cadillac SRX hot on there tracks lets see... "Best Luxury SUV" for 04' & 05 car and Driver Magazine. ;^)
  • esvmanesvman Posts: 3
    I have purchased a brand new ESV last month, and it has 3000 miles on it.
    I'm just wondering if I should get an oil change. On the manual, it says I don't have to change until a light pops up on the panel.
    Please reply, anyone?
    :)
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,426
    Not dumb, but certainly a contentious question.

    Check out First Oil Change while waiting for responses in here.

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  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Hey guys, a while ago maybe a year ago or so there was some discussion of backup sensors. I remember I was totally ragging on them. Well they came standard on my Armada and I have found them to be outstanding for use when parrallel parking or just about any backup manuver. Wanted to come back and just let you guys know I've seen the light.

    -mike
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,426
    That's good to hear Mike. Sometimes it's just more fun to rag on stuff though. :-)

    Interesting reading about what you're doing to your Armada with the computer install btw.

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