Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Toyota on the mend?

12930323435797

Comments

  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Here's the numbers on the Camry and Corolla for last year
    ...NA ..... Japan ... Total
    365,000 .. 83,000 .. 448,000 ( includes Solara )

    For the Corolla..
    335,000 .. 52,000 .. 387,000 ( includes Matrix )

    Maybe the Subie plant is just taking over the vehicles that KY can't produce and thus are needed to be imported. Good catch.

    I think the LC will remain even in its very limited scope. It's a halo product. The FJ has taken over that basic 'go anywhere' function. I agree too that the 4Runner/Sequoia are at a critical juncture.

    With the GM Lambda's being very well received and being bigger and more in line with today's market all the BoF SUV's need to be reconsidered. GM is apparently doing away with the Trailblazer/Envoy, Ford is making the Explorer a unibody SUV and Nissan is making the next Pathfinder a unibody vehicle as well. That leaves only the 4Runner/FJ, the Wranglers and the Durango as the remaining BoF off roaders.

    Diesels anyone? Isuzu to the rescue on the next 4R, FJ, LC and Sequoia?
  • drfilldrfill Posts: 2,484
    I vote for Matrix/Blade. Excellent idea, roomy, good competitor to the female-friendly PT Cruiser. Like Corolla, seems built for smaller people to drive.

    If you guys are having issues with the FJ, then Toyota may've over-extended themselves. FJ is too big to compete with Wrangler, too small to compete with Xterra.

    I've read Jim Press as saying Toyota had a choice, bring back the Supra or make an FJ.

    Since Toyota had 5 SUVs already, I was hoping for a Supra, since Toyota has ZERO sports cars, but the FJ won out. :sick:

    I vote leave 4Runner alone. If it can stand up to all this competition, and still sell over 100k consistently, there is a loyal market there, and should be worked. I learned to drive on a 1992 4Runner, so I'm a huge fan. :)

    DrFill
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    bring back the Supra or make an FJ

    I am pretty sure one way or another, the Supra is coming back. There are way too many rumors about the "future Supra" and rumors don't start with nothing. Also, since now Toyota has the 2GR-FSE and the 4.0 V8 that's suppose to go on the IS-F it all now makes sense for them to bring back the Supra.

    I vote leave 4Runner alone.

    4Runner is an excellent all around SUV. My dad has a 05' Limited and he's loving it everyday. The only down side of it is because of the BOF the interior space is a joke compare to its unibody competitors. I truly think in order to make the 4Runner competitive the next one should be a crossover. I vote for keeping the 4Runner and cut Sequoie if one really has to go.
  • What a joke! Every Toyota I drove broke down just like a Ford does. And the maintenance costs are brutal. When you buy a Toyota, you think you are buying quality. It's just NOT TRUE. They hit you with a huge monthly payment, then they hit you with a HUGE bill to get it fixed because it wasn't under their warranty, then they hit you with HUGE maintenance bill to update some part that "may cause" the warrantied part to fail... and when you look at it, they have horrible acceleration and the gas mileage is way off from what they claim. I am going back to buying a domestic. At least they will fix my flat tire for free, unlike Toyota who hits you with a HUGE tow bill everytime it breaks down.
  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Okay, just don't buy a Toyota again then...

    We are sorry that many others (and I mean MANY) apparently don't share your experience.
  • When are the auto writers going to stop putting Toyota on a pedestal, and start knocking them off?

    -They breakdown like any Ford does.
    -Their gas mileage doesn't come close to what they claim.
    -Their resale value is only higher than domestics because they don't sell alot of vehicles to daily rentals.
    -The cost of maintenance is outrageous. (Go for an oil change and see how much "required maintenace" gets tacked on.)
    -And their TV ads constantly get pulled because they use false claims or they make a claim from 2001 data.. what a joke!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    "I still don't see the need for Matrix. How does the Matrix sell this days anyway?"

    Well, they just sold one to me, as the only hatchback on the market that can seat four adults in ample comfort and have a little bit of sport built in, while averaging me over 30 mpg all the time (currently running about 34.5 mpg).

    Not to mention the durable cargo area with quick-and-easy fold flat rear seats.

    Fit, xA, and Versa, too small. PT Cruiser and HHR, a little too big (high roofs, tippy in turns) and I hate the interiors, not to mention the fuel economy isn't there. Tried out the Focus models, SO hard to find a stick, the powertrain always feels about two sticks away from giving up even in a brand new car, and I like the styling of the Matrix better anyway.

    What does that leave? Oh yeah, the xB, which almost did the trick. I thought long and hard between the two, but in the end it was the little things - a bit more power and slightly better fuel economy in the Matrix, the Toyota rather than Scion name, the lack of a temp gauge in the xB, etc.

    All of Toyota's small cars are VERY old at this point: Corolla, six years, xA, seven years (only two full years in the U.S., but this car is the 2000 ist from the Japan home market), xB, eight years, ditto xA and this car is the 1999 JDM bB, Matrix, same as Corolla.

    The xA and xB have already stopped production, and the new xB arrives in two months, the new xA (called the xD) in five or six months.

    The new Corolla and Matrix replacement arrive in about 11 months.

    As for the 4Runner and Sequoia, I hadn't even thought of kdhspyder's idea, but it's not a bad one: merge the Sequoia and 4Runner lines, leave the 100% full-size truck-based SUV market to the domestics (sales are shrinking, as are returns on major R&D investments in new models), and continue the FJ for gen-II. Just eyeballing the dealer lots, it seems to me that FJ's run has ended - it was always intended as a niche vehicle, and it seems that most of the buyers in that niche have now bought their FJ. So it is left to fight rising gas prices and people's preference for four doors over two with a 16/20 EPA rating and rear suicide half-doors.

    I will be VERY surprised if Toyota continues the LC line in the States - sales are at what, like 2000 vehicles a year now? The Supra was discontinued when sales dropped that low, and it was a halo vehicle too.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    -They breakdown like any Ford does.

    Both the "import lover's CR" and "domestic lover's JD Power" don't agree with you.

    -Their gas mileage doesn't come close to what they claim.

    Nobody's does.

    -Their resale value is only higher than domestics because they don't sell alot of vehicles to daily rentals.

    Their resale values are second only to Honda. Of course, all Luxury brands were excluded.

    -The cost of maintenance is outrageous. (Go for an oil change and see how much "required maintenance" gets tacked on.)

    My family has 3 Toyota (including one Lexus) and the highest amount I've every paid for my Lexus for regular maintenance so far (12K miles) is 70 bucks. The 2-year-old 4Runner and 9-year-old Camry were all being charged less than that for regular maintenance with no other charges tacked on. My advice is: try another dealer for maintanence or report that dealer.

    -And their TV ads constantly get pulled because they use false claims or they make a claim from 2001 data.. what a joke!

    Their new Tundra and all Lexus commercials are the best commercials out there. All cold hard facts without those "This is ourrrrrrr country" crap.

    You got anymore? It's a slow day today so I'll be available to entertain you...
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    ...the Matrix? It seems to be just a Corolla with a different body. I don't think it qualifies as a crossover.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,676
    I sure do agree on the maintenance being expensive. If you cannot find an independent to repair your ToyLex you are in deep doo doo. My wife has spent thousands of dollars keeping her LS400 in top shape. It only has 87,000 miles on it. We are lucky to have found a great shop that specializes in Lexus repairs. They charge a fraction of what the Lexus dealer charges. And they do not tell you things are bad when they are not. This will come around to bite Toyota in the long run. They had a good run with dependable cars in the 1990s. Now with a few problems they will feel the pinch. Especially when rags like CR quit giving them higher marks than they deserve.

    PS
    Welcome to the forum....
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    Their new Tundra and all Lexus commercials are the best commercials out there. All cold hard facts without those "This is ourrrrrrr country" crap.

    OK, the next time I plan to build a giant steel see-saw, I'll keep the Tundra in mind. Good God, ALL commercials are crap!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    What is the Highlander? Just a Camry with a different body. Is the Highlander a crossover?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Good God, ALL commercials are crap!

    Generally speaking yes...

    But the new Tundra see-saw commercial and the LS460's "take off" commercials look pretty real to me.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,676
    OK, where to start?

    My family has 3 Toyota (including one Lexus) and the highest amount I've every paid for my Lexus for regular maintenance so far (12K miles) is 70 bucks.

    You are a lucky man. My wife has a folder on the LS400 since it was new in 1990. There is right at $18k in routine maintenance and repair. No major repairs. Most periodic maintenance with filters, lube and oil change were right at $1000.

    Rarely watch TV so cannot comment on ads. This is all the entertainment I can stand.

    Resale values of all cars is a real joke. You buy a Toyota and take it back to trade-in the next year. I guarantee you will not get the wholesale BB for it. We are conditioned to believe that our $30k car is only worth $15k after a couple years. When the warranty runs out it is near worthless.

    It was not always that way. I bought a new Land Cruiser in 1964. Even with all the problems I got $2100 for it after 3 years & 50k miles. I paid $2400 for it new. The automakers are all laughing at our ignorance today.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Whew, someone needs to have a glass of warm milk and some nice fresh cookies and take a chill pill along with..... :shades:

    You can't be genuine in saying that you think Toyotas break down as often as Fords?

    That's just not correct.

    Millions of owners know that.

    Hundreds of studies and owner polls and surveys have proven that.

    Sure, Toyotas break down just like other cars. Just FEWER of them do it.

    And Toyota doesn't have "gas mileage claim" problems - All those tests are EPA certified, and if you are paying attention, you have seen that the EPA revised it's test this year FINALLY to show MPG figures closer to the real world of 2007 driving.

    And maintenance for a Toyota is not proportionally higher than Ford. All dealer shops are out to gouge owners - none more than others.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    What? $1,000 for a lube and oil change? Are you for real? I never paid anywhere near that for maintenance on my Cadillac Seville STS. And to think I was looking at a Lexus LS430 at the time. Now I'm really glad I didn't get the Lexus.

    I bet you've got the best-maintained 1990 Lexus in the world. It's important to keep all the records for high-end cars like that. I've got a binder for my Seville with all my receipts and maintenance records.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,702
    >This is ourrrrrrr country" crap.
    You got anymore? It's a slow day today so I'll be available to entertain you...


    Wow. That's aggressive sounding.

    As for the Tundra commercials, I was just the other day wondering what I could use to pull a large trailer over a teeter-toter. We have one here in Dayton and I need something to do. grin. I'd be turned off no matter what brand did that one-same for the platform appearing to be hanging out over the cliff. Is that one special effects?

    The other commercials about apple pie and flag also turn me off. I'm wondering if those have a different impact on the different areas of the county. I'd say they ain't gonna work here.

    This message has been approved.

  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    Do you have a Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham per your tag? I have a really nice 1989 model I purchased new.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Not saying I disagree with you, but my experience with Toyota over many years and vehicles has been that up to about 150K miles, they are very low-cost. Beyond that point is perhaps a separate topic for all automakers. But I have owned several out to 250K miles for significantly less money in repairs than a new car payment would have been, and only ever had to do engine or transmission work on one, at the 210K mark.

    The Echo I have now has 80K miles and has needed no repairs. The oil changes are $30 at my local dealer and include a car wash and fluid top-up. They are always done in less than an hour, usually in 30 minutes. I view that as an OK deal considering that when I get it washed it costs me close to $10 anyway, and the dealer does a slightly better job.

    That car makes 40 mpg as a running average, and was rated 34/41. My new Matrix is rated 30/36, and my running average over 2000 miles is 34.5 mpg. In all the Toyotas I have owned, I have NEVER made less than the city EPA rating as my running average, and usually can get near the highway figure, exceeding it on highway trips. The other poster suggesting that they never make their EPA ratings has at least one piece of anecdotal evidence to the contrary! :-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • louisweilouiswei Posts: 3,717
    Now I'm really glad I didn't get the Lexus.

    lemko, let's not kid ourselves here. We all know that there is no way in *beep* that you will ever buy a Lexus.
Sign In or Register to comment.