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Toyota Fearing Hyundai?

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,162
    This is the kind of car even Nissan doesn't have the guts to build!

    http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=1866
  • So ya like that?

    Hyundai will have an HCD-9, a supposedly updated version of this, for either Detroit or Chicago.

    The first HCD-1 and 3 were precursors to the 97 Tiburon.
    The back seat was originally intended to seat a 3rd person, but like a lounge chair, with odd seat belts?
    Of course, due to rules and safety regs, they had to make it "Normal" 2 seater in back(cramped, too).

    I have read Hyundai is considering a 30K Sports Car. This could be it?
    Others have said it is either a Tiburon(of course, it would have a lot less features, but even the design would be enough to get me to look, and possibly buy, as I am sure many others would look).
    Another story was this may be a version of the Sonata Coupe?
    The deal is, Hyundai needs to build stuff akin to this, and forget copying everyone else.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Yes, that little Hyundai coupe is pretty sharp looking. Has a hint of cough*Aston Martin*cough in the body lines :surprise:

    It would be nice if the Koreans would discover more of a style of their own.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    No both are scared to death of GM-> :mad:
    Hyundai-> :cry: :cry: <-Toyota
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    good joke, hehe.

    One day in the next year or two GM will make the UAW very scared of their bankruptcy judge, which is the only scaring that is going to be going on at GM for the foreseeable future...

    Funny, in some of the linked articles in this and other threads, it is mentioned that Honda will gradually fade away in prominence, eclipsed or perhaps "squeezed out" by the big four: GM, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan. No mention of Hyundai, but it is certainly vying to be number five on that list.

    Too bad if so - Honda is one of the few companies still focusing on the engineering as much as how many cupholders they can squeeze in, and how many red cents they can squeeze OUT in cost-cutting.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    However as it looks though GM will remain #1 for the next 80 years :shades:

    Rocky
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    if Toyota makes the 9 million sales worldwide it expects/hopes to make this year, GM won't even remain number one in sales for the next 12 months, let alone 80 months or years.

    We will see. Toyota could be overly optimistic there. Hyundai's big rush is going to have to continue for a while if it hopes to catch up, but I believe they have the goods to do it.

    I think Honda will probably have to (dreaded word) merge with another company if it hopes to expand rapidly enough to keep up with the big 4.

    PS of course, if you meant #1 in your heart, then I am in no position to argue. GM may remain #1 in many ways, I just don't think global sales will be one of them.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    GM will be #1 in my heart if they ever expand more in the U.S. like filling up old factory's with new product. I do think GM needs to go back into building products like refridgerators, locomotives, and start a new buisness building airplanes. GM should always build cars, but should diversify itself. I think selling DirecTV was a mistake. Electronic Data, and Delphi, were mistakes also in my opinion. Delphi could of made Televisions, Hometheater Products, such as speakers, recievers, etc.

    I think Toyota is a growing and prosperous company. I just feel the gap is fast closing because the domestics and koreans are getting much better at engineering good product with american flavour. :shades:

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,162
    Hyundai XG300/XG350 - look like a little Bentleys from the back and a hint of Lincoln LS in the front

    Hyundai Tiburon - reminds me of what the Japanese used to do before they forgot sports cars and went en masse to blandmobiles.

    Kia Amanti - a weird funky conglomeration of a Buick LeSabre with an E-Class front end and a Chrysler grille.

    Last-gen Hyundai Sonata - looks a bit like a C-Class with a Mercury grille.

    Kia Optima - I'm not sure what the new one looks like, but the recent model I've seen is fairly attractive. It has four round lights up front. Larger headlights and slightly smaller parking lights next to them for a quad-headlight look. Kind of reminds me of mid-60s Mopars.

    Hyundai Elantra - really unique styling for such a small car. Much more interesting than any Corolla or Civic.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Really? I am surprised to hear you say that, to my eye the Elantra is just about the blandest, most blend-into-the-crowd Hyundai there is. I would rate the Civic and Corolla both better-looking, with the Mazda3 still the segment champ for styling.

    Now some of the other cars you mentioned, especially the Kias, really do look like very old cars, with the big round bug-eye lights and curves everywhere, no angularity whatsoever. However, that look is changing at Hyundai with the latest Sonata and the Azera, and perhaps one day Kia will follow that trend, we will see.

    It is always debatable just how important styling is in the overall sales picture for any given manufacturer, but I would say it is fairly important - look to hot sales of the HHR for a good example of an OK car with eye-catching styling that is probably selling more on looks than anything else in particular. Here, both Toyota and Hyundai are lagging - neither has a model that is pointed out in the marketplace as truly stylish. Right now, Hyundai is probably ahead in the "styling race", but with the next generation of Toyotas (beginning with the new Avalon last year and the new Camry in two months' time), Toyota may move ahead in a more stylish way.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dglozmandglozman Posts: 177
    If they #1 whey they loosing so much money?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    GM isn't losing money globally. Just in the U.S. They are still the Biggest Car Manufactor on the planet and should remain so. China won't buy Japanese cars because of past history's. A grudge they won't let go. So GM is beating down the door in China and they are also the biggest in China. GM finally after alot of years is going to engineer a fine, long lasting, product that looks good. ;)

    Rocky
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "I agree! They've got to stop copying those dull Japanese designs. The only thing worse than a Camry is a Camry clone! That's what the Azera is! Some goes for the Accord-clone Sonata."

    In my opinion the Azrea looks like a 96 Buick Regal from the front. I don't see where you see the Azrea looks like a Camry.

    "Some goes for the Accord-clone Sonata."

    I don't get why people say the Sonata looks like an Accord. Mazda had the same tailamps on the Mazda 929 in the early 90's that the Accord had in 03-04 and that the current Sonata did. In my opinion Hyundai better executed that tailight look than Honda(accord) or Mazda(929) did. Than again you could say Mazda used the 929 talights on the 93 626. The only color the new Sonata looks good in is black. I think the car looks pretty cool in black though. For the record I am a bigtime Honda and Mazda fan.

    "Korean cars had a funky look all their own that I liked."

    I didn't like the look of Korean Cars in the mid to late 90's with Kia's although what was it the 96-98 Sonata I liked the look of. The 90's Elantra looked wild. The look of the 01-06 Elantra especially the 01-03 Elantra's look good. The 03 Tibby is a looker too. The late 90's/early 00's Tibby was wild looking. It looked liked a 94 Celica in the front.

    "Who else but the Koreans could give us something as funky as the Kia Amanti?"

    ahhh, the Amanti looked like a Mercedes from the front.

    On a side note, the early 90's Hyundai Scoupe I remember when they were running commercials on the TV for it when it was on the market. I thought that was a cool looking car at that time. I was 13 or 14 years old at the time(could have been 1992 or 1993) when the Scoupe was out in the car market. I saw one too a week or two ago and I was thinking in my head wow that car looked good back in the day.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Really? I am surprised to hear you say that, to my eye the Elantra is just about the blandest, most blend-into-the-crowd Hyundai there is. I would rate the Civic and Corolla both better-looking, with the Mazda3 still the segment champ for styling."

    I think the Corolla is the blandest out of that bunch. The Elantra did look better than the 01-05 Civic(hate to say) but Honda hit it right with the 06 Civic Coupe. Yeah I'll agree the 3 is probably the best looking in its class.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "I think Honda will probably have to (dreaded word) merge with another company if it hopes to expand rapidly enough to keep up with the big 4."

    Everybody thought Honda would have merge with somebody back in 2000 when Chrysler merged with Mercedes. It never happened. Honda is a pretty rich company. Its not like they are losing money. Honda has 10-11 years straight of Year to date sales in the US(positive sales.)
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Here, both Toyota and Hyundai are lagging - neither has a model that is pointed out in the marketplace as truly stylish. Right now, Hyundai is probably ahead in the "styling race", but with the next generation of Toyotas (beginning with the new Avalon last year and the new Camry in two months' time), Toyota may move ahead in a more stylish way."

    Yeah but Hyundai has made it clear I think that they are going after Toyota which means being mass-market. If they were going for styling they would be going after Chrysler and Nissan which judging from their styling direction they aren't doing.
  • carguy58carguy58 Posts: 2,303
    "Different sells."

    "Ask Chrysler.... they had 5% increase for 05 over 04, i read. It sure was not due to simple, copy cat, or "quiet" designs, that do not stand out."

    Yeah Chrysler does have a nice unique style of its own but different car companies go for different audiences in terms of style. For example Toyota would never make a car that is going to head to head compete with Chrysler on the styling front because Chrysler and Toyota go for different audiences.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    What planet are you living on ? Haven't you read the news ? Most auto analyst believes Toyota will surpass GM by the end of this year or early next year. That is a fact. I have been to China and Toyota is growing faster than GM in China. The notion that Chinese will not buy Japanese car is a myth. Both Honda and Toyota are doing very well in China. Toyota will be the largest auto maker by the end of this year or early next year. GM is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy while Toyota is the most profitable automaker in the world. In many ways Toyota is already bigger than GM.
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Posts: 1,828
    GM isn't losing money globally. Just in the U.S. They are still the Biggest Car Manufactor on the planet and should remain so.

    Still more MISINFORMATION.

    According to the GM Worldwide CONSOLIDATED Financial Statements as files by management with the United States Security and Exchange Commission, GM lost $2.2 billion dollars in the first two quarters of the fiscal year.

    See the following link:
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    What little money they are making abroad is more than offset by the monet that they are hemorraging in the North American markets.

    WHAT IS SCARIER?? They lost $4.6 Billion on their automotive operations. How long will they find willing sources of cash from the market with such "STELLAR" performance.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,871
    Toyota - Preparing to be Number One

    I just ran into a good friend on Toyota's PR staff and asked if he's getting ready to deal with becoming the world's largest automaker.

    "Hey," he said, "being the biggest won't sell one more car. Market share doesn't pay the bills."

    Yes, he's getting the lines ready!


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  • It looks like Toyota fears Hyundai/Kia more than GM/Ford or even Honda... :P

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10791371/
  • That story has one thing that is incorrect. Hyundai sold 455,012(something like this) vehicles in 05, not 418,000+, like the story said.
    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/04/205036.html

    I know in Nov, Sonata saels were over 14,200+ units, and made it the 7th largest selling vehicle(car?) that month, and in November, they sold like what, 22,000+?
    So, maybe they are in the top 5 now with this model?

    Anyhow, yeah, the rest of that story clicks with what I posted.

    I am still gonna buy a Mitsu, and get Eclipse "J-Cool" car ;)

    Read as story Mistu is gonna push it's Japanese heritage, versus Toyota and Hyundai trying to "become American" companies(style-wise, et al), they said(detnews.com, or was it theautochannel.com?).
    :confuse:
    Whatever.
    Peace.
  • with them controlling Kia, and Kia selling over 275,000+ units last year(a record for them), the Hyundai Motor Group(Hyundai/Kia) sold over 730,000+ units in 05, in USA.
  • http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/01/04/205036.html

    418,000+ for 04 sales, 455,000+ for 05(article claimed Hyundai lost 7.7% in 05, sales fell? Maybe I should write articles. Probably gained 7.7%, and I read they had closer to 3% market share this year. Combined with Kia, over 4%, like 4.5% on one site, 5% on another site. Who knows?. I could look, but I am tired of net searching).

    20,000+ Sonatas sold in december 05. A record for them. Accord sold what, 23,000+?
    Camry, 24-25K?
  • danf1danf1 Posts: 935
    Camry sales were 33,324
    Accord was 26,370
    Sonata was 20,853
  • people get tired of this future/retro car -meets- truck stuff, say in 5-10 years?

    People will eventually want something different, won't they?

    The Caliber sounds like a great vehicle, but that Truck Grille, it kind of detracts from the looks of it, IMHO.

    Maybe in different colors other than the Orange or Red one's been showing on the news sites?

    Maybe some darker colors?

    I know it is a crossover, but why does everything have that gaping "maw" up front?
    The fenders alone make it look like it is a Chrysler(like the Magnum, and others, with those square-ish, extended fenders).
    Is the PT Cruiser going to get a Ram-like grille next?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I 100% agree. I said the typical foreign car buyer is one who is looking for the best car for his money. That is why the Camcords have been #1. Hyundai is going split up the camcord monopoly hear in the U.S.

    -Big 3 customers are loyalist who want to drive a american domestic brand.

    -By the way pf-flyer I read that in January GM had 25% of the market. So Toyota will have to wait a while to become #1 ;)

    Rocky
  • all excels were made with mitsu engines, and mostly fitted with mitsu trannys... before 2001 hyundai used alot of misut engines either sourced or built by them.
  • I believe that Hyundai and Toyota will be fighting for number one spot in terms of car sales globally in the near future. Having said that, Hyundai has an edge to become number one over Toyota because Hyundai can sell the equal quality or even better quality cars at a lower price due to their cheaper labor. Also, two of the largest future markets, China and India, do not have friendly feelings towards Japanese products because Chinese and Indians still remember the massacre and cruel rapes Japanese soliders committed during WWII.
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