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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,189
    edited September 2013
    "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" is both a car spotter and celebrity spotter's dream! There were a lot of then-famous folks who had cameos in that movie. I recall the Three Stooges had a cameo as firemen at the airport when Buddy Hackett, Mickey Rooney, and Jim Backus were about to have a plane crash.

    I doubt there could be a successful remake of "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" with today's cars and celebrities as most are tiresome and dull.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,853
    But how could we when there are no decent actors to cast such as Steve McQueen, Burt Reynolds, Gene Hackman and similar?

    What about Clooney, DiCaprio, Statham, Craig? All great actors IMHO.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Movie expectations today prohibit the making of great "actor based" movies anymore.

    In movies like Vanishing Point, etc., there was a reality associated with the stunts... In other words, what you saw on the screen was actually possible, no CGI make believe. Nowadays, that wouldn't sell. Viewers want to see someone jump the Grand Canyon in a Tercel, an obviously impossible feat... Yet, it sells. Just look at how popular the super hero CGI movies are.

    I'm afraid the day of the actors carrying the movie by great acting and a great plot (think Bogart, Flynn, Gable, Mitchum, and the like) are long gone.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,853
    I'm afraid the day of the actors carrying the movie by great acting and a great plot (think Bogart, Flynn, Gable, Mitchum, and the like) are long gone.

    I'll respectfully disagree - at least when it comes to award winning movies. CGI has only come into use in the past 15 years. In that same time, the Oscar winning best pictures have been largely devoid of major use of CGI except for The Lord of The Rings, Gladiator and Titanic. And even in those cases, they are considered excellent films due to the strength of the acting.

    Good films are still about great acting, great directing and great screenplays.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,007
    edited September 2013
    I think one key with some movies like Vanishing Point, Duel, etc, is that they give you an "everyman" sort of character that you can identify with. Not some big super-hero. A lot of those movies also had a knack for sucking you into them, where you felt like you were right there in the car with the characters.

    Oh, a few other road movies from the 1970's that I think were kinda cool..."Moving Violation" (not the 80's one, although that was was cool in its own right), "Slither", and "Race the Devil".

    I wonder if the stunts in "Moving Violation" might have inspired "Smokey and the Bandit" a bit. There was one scene where a police car goes under a tractor trailer and loses its roof. And even a scene where a '74 or '75 full-sized Olds police car crashes, and you can see the airbag deploy. In "Smokey and the Bandit", there was one scene where they ran an airbag-equipped '74 Olds into a '77 LeMans, but the airbag didn't deploy. I've heard that the car was used some years later in a crash test video, and the airbag deployed as it should have.

    "Race the Devil", with Peter Fonda, was kinda cool because they were doing a lot of stunts using a Vogue motorhome and some trucks, which I'm sure has to be a lot harder than with cars. And "Slither" with James Caan, Petre Boyle, and Sally Kellerman, used a '72 Impala toting an Airstream about, and two evil looking motorhomes that were built by a company called RecTrans.

    I do think some pretty cool newer movies have come out, but I just don't find them as endearing. For instance, I kinda liked that "Joy Ride", with Paul Walker and "Helen Hunt Junior", and the '71 Newport. But I can't watch it over and over again like I can "Smokey and the Bandit". What in the hell is the world comin' ta? :P
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    edited September 2013
    Bought a 2014 Ram 1500 Laramie crewcab hemi/8speed today. Built in the good ole USA. Engine from mexico, trans from germany.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,820
    Congrats! Didn't even know you were tire-kicking.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,573
    In movies like Vanishing Point, etc., there was a reality associated with the stunts... In other words, what you saw on the screen was actually possible, no CGI make believe. Nowadays, that wouldn't sell. Viewers want to see someone jump the Grand Canyon in a Tercel, an obviously impossible feat... Yet, it sells. Just look at how popular the super hero CGI movies are.

    I agree except that I would draw a distinction between reality-based movies and the science fiction/superhero genre. I think CGI don't improve movies like "Vanishing Point" or "Mad Max"- practical effects are the way to go. However, first-rate CGI like that seen in the recent Marvel films or ST Into Darkness are a critical factor in their success(assuming of course, that the plot and characterizations are spot-on as well).

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,801
    edited September 2013
    That's a good Smokey memory. I remember watching it with my dad, who loved the humor between Buford and Junior.

    Yeah, you know I am a IAMMMMW fan. Good point about the actors - now it's been 50 years, not many left from it.

    And Moving Violations, it's now kind of a cult classic, pretty funny and underrated. One of my favorites from when I was a kid, I have it on DVD now.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,801
    It's almost like the producers were trying to show off the excellent American car scene of the early 60s as much as they were the acting talent. It must have been Mopar sponsored, but even then, the car spotting is fantastic. It also features the only red and white 60 Ford Country Sedan I've ever seen aside from the one my dad had.

    And indeed unrepeatable due to the cars and people.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    Could not wait for the Ram 1500 Eco Diesel to arrive eh? The new Ram diesel has more torque for pulling than the Hemi V8 gas engine. At least 30% better mileage.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    I remember watching it with my dad, who loved the humor between Buford and Junior.

    Gleason was at his best in the SAB series of movies.

    Yeah, you know I am a IAMMMMW fan. Good point about the actors - now it's been 50 years, not many left from it.

    Got me to thinking about buying the DVD. It seems they cut close to 30 minutes from the original theater version for the DVD. The original Mad World was 192 Minutes. The DVD version is 161 minutes. There is a cult following that claim the VHS version is not as cut. Still not full length. The claim is MGM is not willing to spend the money to transfer the original onto DVD. Another supposed authority says there are not any usable 70MM originals left. Only 186 minute 35MM copies. Hope they didn't leave out any of my favorite scenes. It would be like buying a new vehicle and finding your street is not on the $2000 NAV.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    "Could not wait for the Ram 1500 Eco Diesel to arrive eh? The new Ram diesel has more torque for pulling than the Hemi V8 gas engine. At least 30% better mileage. "

    Nope. I thought about waiting. But I don't know if the diesel would really be worth the extra cost when you factor in $4k plus for the engine, and 50 cents a gallon more for the diesel.

    Plus the Hemi sounds nice;) I'll bet the Hemi has more towing power overall due to torque output being close (diesel will have about 13 ft-lbs of torque more) while the hemi has about 150 more HP. It will have to rev more and no doubt will probably get 1/2 the mileage of the diesel when towing.

    I had a bunch of driving to do today. Put about 130 miles on the Ram today. The Expedition would have yielded about 14mpg with the type of driving I did. The Ram showed 17.1 avg. at the end of the day and it now has 141 miles on it. So I'm somewhat pleased with the mileage thus far.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    I think that 8 speed makes a lot of difference in mileage. I am sure you will have plenty of power. Your boat is not close to the 10k lb capacity of that truck.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    No, it shouldn't break a sweat towing the boat. The 8 speed is great.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    How is the ride and handling on the Ram?
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    "How is the ride and handling on the Ram?"

    I like how it rides and drives. It's not luxury car smooth, but it feels tight and well controlled.

    I looked at the Silverados but they left me cold. Didn't even bother to drive them. Plus every one on the dealer lot had 3.08 gears.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    If I bought a full sized PU truck today it would be the Ram. I am anxious to see how they do with the new diesel coming the end of the year. That could get Ford and GM off their duff. Ford keeps thinking they can make a gasser competitive with diesel. Not from what I read.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I agree with you. Example... The tiger created by CGI in "The Life of Pi" really made an impact, combined with great acting and a great story.
  • ohenryxohenryx Posts: 285
    I was out truck shopping with a friend this afternoon, hit Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and Dodge dealers. He actually drove (I rode) in Chevy, Ford, and Dodge. Toyota dealership was deplorable, we never actually got to the inside of a truck.

    My friend was driving, I was just riding. The Ford 5.0 V8 felt very comparable to the first Dodge we drove, with a 6 speed. Then my friend test drove an upscale Dodge, with the 8 speed, and that made an appreciable difference. The engine was the same (5.7 liter Hemi), and the body size was the same (quad cab, or extended cab if you're not up on "Dodge speak"). The rear end ratio might have been different, which would have helped, but it seemed like it was the transmission.

    At any rate, the Ford was a LOT cheaper, so he's leaning in that direction.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    "If I bought a full sized PU truck today it would be the Ram."

    Honestly, I don't think there is a clear winner between the Ram, Silverado/Sierra, f-150.

    IMO, it really depends on what you need/want/like. The 1/2 ton Ram's weakest area is towing/cargo capacity. It's kind of the "city" truck of the 3. I really like how it drives, the 8 speed is fantastic, and the Hemi has plenty of power, is smooth, and sounds pretty good too.

    I don't think the Ford Ecoboost is meant to replace a diesel, but it does have diesel like torque. It gets fairly good mileage. Fact is, any gas engine gets lousy towing mileage.

    I could have gotten a much better deal on an F150, but I wanted the Ram.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,007
    Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to the club! What axle ratio did you end up getting? I think a 3.55:1 is standard but mine has an optional 3.21:1.

    Also good to hear that your fuel economy is looking pretty good so far. I've only averaged about 14.6 since I've had mine, but my short-trip driving is a killer.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    "Congrats on the purchase, and welcome to the club! What axle ratio did you end up getting? I think a 3.55:1 is standard but mine has an optional 3.21:1. "

    Ugh, That is a bone of contention. It was suppose to have the 3.55, but low and behold on the axle sticker it's the 3.21.

    I haven't towed with it, but I am satisfied with how it performs with the 3.21.

    The problem is the tow rating is cut by 2k lbs with the 3.21. Really doesn't make much sense. If you look at the gear ratios in the 8 speed, they are shorter until 7th gear vs the 6 speed and if you compare the overall ratio between the 3.21 / 8 speed with a 3.55 / 6speed, the 8/3.21 combo has shorter gearing until 7th, yet the 8 speed appears to have a 2k less tow rating.

    I should find out tomorrow what's going to happen. Part of the problem is all of the towing data at the dealer is for a 2013 model, not 2014.

    As for gas mileage. I've put 300 miles on this weekend and have averaged 17.1. Mostly mixed highway/city. At 65 mph it will easily get 20-22mpg. It's rated for 15/21.

    I've got the 32 gallon tank, so it will have plenty of range. It has more bells and whistles than I need. Uconnect/NAV/rear camera, front, rear sonar, rainsense wipers, moon roof, heated/cooled front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, remote start, keyless entry/start etc, 20" chrome polished wheels. Towing mirrors, class IV hitch etc.

    It is a crew cab with the 6'4" box. I need to rear arrange the garage for it to fit. It appears to be over 2' longer than the Expedition was.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,007
    Sounds like a pretty sweet ride! Hope it works out for you. My 2012 is only up to around 4500 miles, although its one year anniversary comes up on 9/23/13. I haven't had anything break on it, yet, but on two separate occasions it's stalled out in the driveway. And on two separate occasions it got stuck in 4th gear.

    Haven't taken it back to the dealer yet, though. Other than an oil change around the 3000-3500 mile mark. I wanted to do it sooner, but the dealer said just wait until the oil change light comes on. I didn't wait that long though, so I had my uncle take it in for an oil change a couple months ago, on one of his days off work.

    Supposedly pickups are the last frontier when it comes to fierce brand loyalty, but like you, I just can't pick a dog in this fight. The main reason I bought my Ram was because it was cheap. I'm not a Ford fan, but I do like the F-150. I just worry about it being a bit too "high tech" to be reliable in the long run. And the Chevy/GMC were just getting too long in the tooth at the time. Plus, the basic models, which is what I was looking for, were still using that 4-speed automatic that failed twice in my uncle's 97.

    Nissan doesn't offer the Titan in a regular cab/8-foot bed configuration. And I'm sure a Tundra would have been more expensive than what I'm willing to pay.

    But, overall, I'm sure that any of them are good trucks.
  • Congrats man.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,189
    A comedy with a great car chase is "Short Time" starring Dabney Coleman where he chases the bad guys in a beat-up 1970s Bonneville with a red M-Body. The best car chase I have ever seen on film is in "The Seven-Ups" with Roy Scheider. I think it surpasses the classic chases in "Bullitt" and "The French Connection."
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    "Congrats man."

    Thanks!
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Seven Ups was very good. But, Roy Scheieder just does not have the cachet or cool that Steve McQueen had. Think of the drama of how the Bullit chase started at the car wash. Then progressed, the background music. The bad guys were following Frank Bullitt (McQueen) in the bad black Dodge Charger and then a reversal. Suddenly the bad guys had lost track of Bullitt, the bad guy driver looking around, and then, in his mirror he saw the Mustang of Bullitt. Now, we have a chase. The chasers become the chasees.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,573
    Stunt coordinator Bill Hickman set up all three chase scenes.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,573
    Congrats, I would go with the Ram as well...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

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