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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Around here, the base 500 and Mini both have $199/mo lease deals. The only difference is that the 500 is sign-and-drive, while the Mini wants about $2000 up-front.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,090
    Versa? Really?

    Can't say I like anything about them...

    Other than the Fit, most Fiestas are way above the price point of the cars on that list...

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited October 2012
    Well, they're bulletproof. Just ask Sneakers. He's got two of them now and drives them into the ground going to all those basketball games (never have a kid who's a sports star!).

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,090
    At least it's not a Caliber.. ;)

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  • Dodge can make some real progress in the compact category. If I didn't already have a '08 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS I'd be really, really interested in the new Dodge Dart. Indeed.

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  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    I don't understand the confusion. The Versa hatchback has adult room for the driver and front and rear passengers, not muppet leg room like the Fit and other highly touted vehicles. Headroom and visibility are also outstanding. Recent year models can be had with bluetooth and radio controls on the steering wheel, unlike again, the Fit which is a minimalist car that Honda forces you to buy expensive and an unnecessary navigation package before you can have bluetooth. Shoppers have figured it out, which is why you see so many of them on the road.
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 6,068
    Technically, I sort of have 3(4) Versas. My daughter bought the 2007 from me and it has about 102,000 on it. Only issue we had with that one is due (I'm certain of this) to ethanol in the gas leading to more water (as a combustion by-product) in the exhaust, which cause a flange right in front of the muffler to rust out from the inside in 2009. Then we had a 2010 for about 90 days before a car stopped for deer in front of my wife, she stopped for that car, but the F-150 coming up behind her did not. Totaled the Versa, but the car did it's job and crumpled around the wife and she didn't have a scratch. The car was hit hard enough and bent to the point where the front seats were no longer in line with each other. So I'll give it good crash safety, at least in the type of crash we had. And we currently have a 2011 (wife's replacement) and 2012 in the driveway. About 60,000 on the '11 (as Steve said, basketball travel) and almost 16,000 on the 2012.

    As long as they keep making them in 6-speed manuals, I'm good to go! Oh yea, my only nit pick, and my kids agree with me on this... it either needs to be a 7-speed or just move each gear up slightly. First gear is good for about 10 feet before you need to go to 2nd, and it just feels like a 7th gear would work on the highway. But this is a minor nitpick for us.

    Interior room is really good. We've moved my daughter into college with one car having all her stuff and the two of us in. I think the most stuff I've ever put in was moving string orchestra instruments to a concert. I had two full-size double basses, three full-size cellos, and assorted violins and violas tucked in corners, along with a front seat passenger and all doors and hatches closed with nothing sticking out of any windows.

    Guess I'm Versa-tile :shades:

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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Have you sat in the back of the Fit? It's surprising. I'm a big 6 footer, and after I adjust the driver's seat for myself, not only can I sit in the rear seat behind the driver but I can do so COMFORTABLY.

    If the car was *ahem* fitted out the way I wanted I'd consider it. But no auto climate control, MPGs aren't as good as the Mazda3, and it doesn't handle quite as well. Maybe the next redesign.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,141
    I agree...given how tiny it is overall, the Fit's not bad inside. Too small for my tastes, but with the front seat adjusted all the way back for me (6'3"), I was still able to fit in back. However, the side curvature made me lean inward, and overall it had a claustrophobic feel about it.

    As for the Versa, one reason it might be selling well is that the recent restyle made it look like a much more expensive car than it is, IMO. However, I think it's just the sedan that was restyled and not the hatchback.

    I remember sitting in a hatchback Versa, and being impressed at the back seat. I'd say that if you need 4-passenger seating, the Versa's a better pick than the Fit. But if you value cargo space, the Fit seemed better suited in that regard.
  • maxx4memaxx4me Posts: 1,340
    I have sat in and crawled around every inch of the Fit. It is not as comfortable as the Versa by any stretch of the imagination. Foot positioning for the rear passengers is poor and the knee room is not as good as either the Versa Hatchback nor Elantra Touring. I have not driven a Fit but have driven the Versa and found it very smooth and cushioning on the road. Moreover, used Versas are much more competatively priced than Fits by a wide margin. While reaching the oil filter is more of a pain in the Versa and the rear seats don't collapse for a flat floor, and while it bothers me that it is assembled in Mexico and not rated as high in reliability as the Fit, I feel like I am getting much more for my money with the Versa hatchback. Honda simply needs to stop minimilizing its cars and forcing customers to pay a lot more for common options. If they haven't figured it out yet, they aren't the only ones with an H on the front of the grille any longer.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    The Elantra Touring is a limo compared to anything smaller than a midsize. I know, I own one. Looking to get out of it, want one?

    The Fit and Versa have great legroom for compact cars. Not subcompact, COMPACT. The Focus's backseat is tiny, the Mazda3 isn't a lot better. The Elantra GT's backseat is smaller than the Touring but still decent sized. The trophy goes to the current Impreza but the Fit is close behind.

    The Versa hatch is still the old design. The sedan is redesigned. So you really need to specify.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited October 2012
    We really like the Elantra Touring wagon we looked at during Cash for Clunkers. Must have been an '09? Then I guess Hyundai just went to the hatch for the US. How has yours worked out?

    Seems like our microcars are everyone else's subcompacts.

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  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    The Touring has been solid but boring. Underpowered, auto tranny isn't real smart, back end likes to kick out easily, jittery ride but the steering is extremely numb, no road feel.

    Hasn't had a single mechanical issue, but I miss my Mazda3.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    The one we tested was a fun six speed and well equipped for the price. Just couldn't handle the fire engine red. :shades:

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mom has a Fit in Brazil, we took it on a 4 hour road trip with 5 people in the car, the room is impressive.

    My complaint would be road noise. Space was abundant.

    Actually, so was road noise. :D
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    comes out next year, but of course by then they will be building the North American ones in Mexico....

    Of course Versa will only be in year two, as will Sonic and Accent/Rio, and Fiesta will only be in year 3, so Honda might hold an edge for a while. IF they take the redesign seriously and stop making the customer pay extra for basic stuff (if it can even be had at any price).

    However, taking redesigns seriously is not something they seem to remember how to do, judging by the last few years.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Interestingly, Fit is not seen as just a B-segment competitor in Brazil. It's called a "monovolume" there, in other words a very small minivan. They position it to compete with the Meriva, not the Corsa/Celta.

    It's price position here is much lower in comparison.
  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    Honda Jazz, (Fit to you guys), is certainly a Meriva competitor here in Europe and certainly far roomier than any Corsa..............assuming Corsas are the same both sides of the pond, of course.

    My wife's '06 Jazz continues to just get on with life. No drama, no surprises and is the car of choice vs my S60 if we are a party of 5x adults. Rear leg-room is tons better and the higher, more upright seating makes 5-up a breeze compared to the leather-clad Swede. Of course, it's the good old 1334cc 3-pot with 75bhp so sure isn't a fireball but it does do what it says on the tin and that buys a lot of forgiveness. A 2.0 Vtec would be a blast but I suspect we'll see a Bugatti TDi before that appears. :)
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited October 2012
    Fiat USA re-engineered non-turbo engines to hit that psychological barrier, since some larger cars get 40mpg.

    "Architect Scott Kula used to ride a Vespa scooter to catch a train from Montclair, N.J. to his office in Manhattan. Now, he drives a Fiat 500 for the first leg of his commute.

    "It's my Vespa with four wheels," says Mr. Kula, 49, who works designing stores for Coach International, the luxury goods company.

    The number of cars under 160 inches long offered in the U.S. has grown to 13 models from nine since 2009."

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Mom's previous one was also a 1.3l. I think her latest one is a 1.5l.

    Her sons helped her pay for them. :shades:
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,919
    edited January 2013

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd like to see a Spark SS, even with just a slight bump in output.

    I'd pick 500, Spark, iQ, and walking, in that order.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    for them to offer a manual in the iQ, would make it my choice. I think I will be waiting a long long time though (read: never).

    Almost bought a 500, but hated the fact that the only way that car is acceptable to drive is if you press the "Sport" button every time you drive it - you can't program it to default to Sport. It truly is a stylish little bugger. I bet the Abarth is a hoot, but then you are spending enough money where a Cooper S begins to be in reach, and I would go with the Mini.

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Is it me or does the 500 feel a little tinny? Base models are cheap, but Abarths can get up there.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    I only drove a Sport, but it didn't feel particularly tinny. I imagine all the really little cars feel a bit unsubstantial if you are used to bigger cars, but the super low weight also makes them a lot more fun to drive. :-)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For mid teens price, no complaints. Once you hit $20k I'd be looking at more substantial cars.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Well the Sport only runs about $18K and change...

    As for me, I am all about lightweight transpo - my Yaris weighs 2300 pounds. If they stuffed a 1.8 turbo under the hood with 180 hp or so, and held the weight to 2500 pounds or less, I would be there no matter if the price went into the $20Ks. The thing already drives like a roller skate, it carves corners almost as well as an '02 Celica I had once upon a time....all it lacks is the power to really have fun. :-)

    I would have two, a lo-po version to get me 40 mpg in my commute like the one I have now, and one more with the turbo for fun on weekends! ;-)

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  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    s for me, I am all about lightweight transpo - my Yaris weighs 2300 pounds. If they stuffed a 1.8 turbo under the hood with 180 hp or so, and held the weight to 2500 pounds or less, I would be there no matter if the price went into the $20Ks. The thing already drives like a roller skate, it carves corners almost as well as an '02 Celica I had once upon a time....all it lacks is the power to really have fun.

    I would have two, a lo-po version to get me 40 mpg in my commute like the one I have now, and one more with the turbo for fun on weekends!


    Can you say Fiesta ST? 197HP with the 1.6L EcoBoost and I suspect mid-30's on the highway. Haven't seen any official pricing yet, but I would think somewhere in the low 20's to start.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,693
    Yes, the Fiesta ST has not gone unnoticed by me, but is it available here? I hadn't heard that...

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  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Yes, the Fiesta ST has not gone unnoticed by me, but is it available here? I hadn't heard that...

    I thought I saw something on-line late last year that indicated the ST would be sold in the US.

    Gotta love the whole "One Ford" mentality. Wonder when Europe will get the Edge....

    :P
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