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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    My vote for a mature taller driver is a Forester.

    Many of the cars suggested would be good ones for seniors, but the Forester is a really good choice. This is a much better list made up by Consumers Report;
    Acura RDX (2013)

    Ford Taurus (2008-2009)

    Honda Accord V6 (2006-2007)

    Honda Accord (2008-2012)

    Hyundai Azera (2006-2011)

    Hyundai Genesis (2009-2012)

    Infiniti M (2006-2010)

    Lexus RX (2006-2009)

    Mercury Sable (2008-2009)

    Nissan Altima (2010-2012)

    Subaru Impreza (2012)

    Subaru Legacy (2010-2013)

    Subaru Outback (2010-2013)

    Subaru Forester (2009-2012)

    Toyota Avalon (2005-2012)

    Toyota Camry (2007-2012)

    Toyota Highlander (2004-2012)

    Toyota RAV4 (2006-2012)

    Volkswagen Tiguan (2009-2012)

    More details about why they chose these cars at: Best Cars for Older Drivers

    Maybe all models should have a "Silver" edition, with large gauges, curb feelers, extra large buttons, cameras all around, night sensor, no bluetooth. Yes, and lane changer warnings are a great item for everyone.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    no bluetooth

    BT is for everyone. The last thing we need is anymore people with the phone to their ear!

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    The last thing we need is anymore people with the phone to their ear!

    Probably true...I am thinking some of the electronics may be a waste of time for "some" seniors.

    Many, probably like me, would like a simple cell phone with no camera, one ring tone, no texting...just dial and call.
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    I am just joking. Though technically challenged, I do like having Bluetooth. For the occassional times I need to call it is a great feature to have.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 4,223
    The last thing we need is anymore people with the phone to their ear!

    I still cannot fathom why all states and territories of the United States have not passed statutes forbidding the use of cell phones in cars that do not have Bluetooth connectivity and outlawed texting while driving. I see so much of that down here in Florida - it's really scary!

    I know several states have statutes covering this, but it should be outlawed in every single state. I was driving on the Turnpike yesterday and this car in front of me was weaving in and out of the right lane. So I decided I would pass the car, and as I did, you cold see the driver, a middle aged woman, texting on her smart phone. Unbelievable! And this was at 65 mph.

    Then there are people who are at a stop light, with a smart phone in their ear or in their hands texting. The light turns green, and if you are behind that individual, hell could freeze over before the car moves.

    IMHO, there is never a good enough reason to text or talk with your phone to your ear, while driving a car. I don't care if there is a hurricane approaching the coast at 400 mph, that still isn't a good enough reason.

    Every car should have Bluetooth connectivity and every phone should be equipped with it (even those given out by the government "free" to those on welfare and/or food stamps).

    Am I asking for too much? Seriously, are my expectations too rigid?

    2015 Mercedes Benz E400 Sport Sedan

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    I still cannot fathom why all states and territories of the United States have not passed statutes forbidding the use of cell phones in cars that do not have Bluetooth connectivity and outlawed texting while driving.

    For the same reason that some states allow unbelted drivers, motorcyclists without helmets...civil liberties.

    I don't agree with it either.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    The difference is unbelted drivers, and going without a helmet doesn't endanger other people.

    Just my .02.

    Pass the popcorn.......

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    The difference is unbelted drivers, and going without a helmet doesn't endanger other people.

    True. My point is that legislating any of items I noted are argued as taking away civil liberties. I agree, any distraction - cell phones, navigation systems, dinner in your lap, et al - can endanger other people. But try taking away someone's ability to eat a burger while driving......
  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 2,017
    I have dedicated snow tires for the rear since February 2010.

    Everything I read says that you have to put snowtires on all 4 tires. Why do you only put it in 2?
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    IMHO, there is never a good enough reason to text or talk with your phone to your ear,

    In Ontario Canada there is a law that you can't talk or text on a hand held cell phone. I still see people doing it every day.

    When we are in Florida, there isn't any law against calling and texting, and most days I estimate about every 6th person has a cell phone next to their ear. I don't know what these people did before cell phones. No one can be that interesting that they can talk on a phone all of their waking hours...probably not even Oprah! And, who is it that has the time to listen to them?

    Then there are the safety issues! I have seen them wander all over the road or cut across 3 lanes of traffic to make an exit, all with a phone held up to their ear.

    It is a civil rights issue for some, but, it is a civil rights issue for us innocent bystanders as well.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,988
    Verdugo - I was going to ask that too, but I'm sure jmonroe has an excellent reason for doing so.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Subaru Legacy 2.5i Premium

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    Everything I read says that you have to put snowtires on all 4 tires.

    I didn't think so because in the good old days people only put snow tires on the rear wheels. However, this is an excellent article that explains why you need snow tires for all 4 wheels on FWD or RWD cars.

    Do I Really Need 4 Winter Tires?

    That's from the Cdn National Newspaper but snow is snow!

    Here's the short answer:
    So does a rear-wheel drive vehicle need four winter tires too?

    The APA, an industry watchdog, says they do. The steering of a rear wheel drive vehicle can wash out if you have snow tires on the driving wheels only, the APA says. Plus, anti-lock brakes and electronic traction control won't work properly if all four tires aren't the same.

    Transport Canada recommends four identical tires on all vehicles. That means all four tires – whether snow tires, all weather or all seasons – should be the same size and make, have the same tread and be worn equally

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • jmonroejmonroe Pittsburgh areaPosts: 5,540
    Everything I read says that you have to put snowtires on all 4 tires.

    Let me try to explain this.

    The steering of a rear wheel drive vehicle can wash out if you have snow tires on the driving wheels only, the APA says. Plus, anti-lock brakes and electronic traction control won't work properly if all four tires aren't the same.

    I’ve heard that too but in actual practice with the Genny, which is a RWD car, I have not experienced that. February of 2010 was a bad month for snow here in the Burgh area. We got a little over 30 inches that month which is well out of the norm around here. We had snow almost every day and what was on the ground never went away completely. So with the Genny having those pathetic Dunlop all-season tires I knew I had to get snow tires, or else. So, I went to NTB to get snow tires and the guy told me to come back the next day because he only had two of them in stock but said I needed 4. I reminded him that because the Genny was a RWD car I didn’t need 4 of them, I only needed 2 and the state of PA does not mandate that I needed 4. The guy says, “I don’t care what the state says, I won’t sell you only 2”. I turned around and headed for the door. Another NTB guy at the next register says, “WHOA, he shouldn’t have said that. I can sell you 2 for a RWD car.” I said, “no thanks, I’ll go to another store where they know the law and they don’t try to oversell me”.

    I went to another tire store and the guy said, “sure, I can sell you 2 for a RWD car but I don’t have your size in stock right now but I can have them here by 10 AM tomorrow morning”. He goes on to say that 4 tires would control the car better but if I wanted only 2 he’d sell me only 2. I told him I wanted only 2. Since I had a meeting commitment in the morning, I told him I’d stop by around mid-afternoon. I showed up around 2 or 3 PM the next day, got the 2 tires and so far I have not noticed the traction/control problems that have been mentioned about having only 2 snow tires on the rear of a RWD car. I’ll admit we haven’t had another month of snow like we did in February of 2010, but I had no problems for the remainder of that month after getting only 2 snow tires and there was plenty of snow around here to give the car a good test that month.

    jmonroe

    '09 Genesis V8 and '12 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    I’ve heard that too but in actual practice with the Genny, which is a RWD car, I have not experienced that.

    I would have thought 2 snowtires on the rear of a RWD would be sufficient....that's what we always used to do before they had FWD cars. When FWD cars became popular, people usually only put snow tires on the front wheels.

    But, it sounds like traction control and ABS etc. have changed the game. It sounds like you made it through the winter with 2 snow tires on the rear, and you probably won't have a problem most of the time, BUT, if all the articles say you need 4 snow tires, and even most of the ethical tire store personnel said you should have 4 snow tires, and the reasons sound logical, I think if you have gone so far as to buy 2 snow tires, you may as well go the extra distance and get another 2 snows for next year.

    The article clearly explained why it isn't a good idea to have snows only on the rear wheels....especially if your traction control comes into play. That won't happen to often, but, if it does then you could run into a real problem.

    Just worth considering...............

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,810
    Got a call a few minutes ago about doing another lot to lot in the morning. Said sure since I was literally in bed all day today because of the pain and I was exhausted. But since this check is going to be on the small side and I knew that he needed me, I said I'll be there. I have a great crew chief and will always go when he texts or calls me...I go the extra mile for him whenever possible. And I still love my job!

    The Tired Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

    2015 Audi A3 (wife)/2015 Golf SE (me)/2009 Nissan Versa SL Hatch (daughter #1)/2008 Hyundai Accent GLS (daughter #2)

  • jmonroejmonroe Pittsburgh areaPosts: 5,540
    I would have thought 2 snowtires on the rear of a RWD would be sufficient....that's what we always used to do before they had FWD cars.

    I learned to drive on a RWD car and so did everybody else in my day who lived in my area. With traction control and ESC on cars today I don’t understand why people say it is unsafe today. I say it is better today NOT worse. Like I said, with a RWD car and only snow tires on the rear I have not had a problem and because of that I’m not going to buy 2 more snow tires for the front.

    When FWD cars became popular, people usually only put snow tires on the front wheels.

    Putting snow tires on the front only of a FWD car is not safe. Every new car manual I have ever seen specifically says NOT to use snow tires only on the front of a FWD car. Most states don’t even allow that and PA is one of them. Maybe posters that live in other states can chime in on what their states say about snow tires only on the front of FWD cars. While they are at it they can say what their state says about snow tires on the rear only for RWD cars.

    Just worth considering...............

    I’ve thought about it but I’m not doing it.

    jmonroe

    '09 Genesis V8 and '12 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,090
    While I wouldn't recommend using just winter tires on the rear, it's not dangerous (assuming all-seasons on the front..

    But, winters only on the front? That would be a disaster waiting to happen. Your best traction tires should always be on the rear.. just for proper handling, regardless of snow capabilities.

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  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 2,017
    The article clearly explained why it isn't a good idea to have snows only on the rear wheels....especially if your traction control comes into play. That won't happen to often, but, if it does then you could run into a real problem.

    For that one small chance that it could be a factor, I rather spend the extra money. Small price to pay for my peace of mind.
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,775
    I learned to drive on a RWD car

    I hear ya JM, but do you remember single wheel traction cars?

    Why not 1 snow tire since the other wheel doesn't spin? (except in reverse)

    Posi-Trac or Trac-Loc does more for traction than any tire, but I still don't

    drive my Mustang in snow because of the light rear. It's more than just tires.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2006 Silverado 2500 LT HD, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 4,223
    edited May 2013
    Maybe posters that live in other states can chime in on what their states say about snow tires only on the front of FWD cars.

    I've tried to research this question meticulously, with the utmost logic, searching the statutes dealing with automobiles in the state in which I reside, but alas, *jmonroe, I could not find a thing on the books about snow tires. I should have recognized there would be a problem when I used their search engine (Florida State Statutes) with the word snow and the response was "select another word for your search!" :confuse: :shades:

    2015 Mercedes Benz E400 Sport Sedan

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    But, winters only on the front?

    Not saying it is a good idea, just saying when FWD cars first came out people would put snow tires on the front wheels only...since those are the driving and steering wheels. It seemed logical that if you put snows on the rear tires on a RWD car, you put them on the front for a FWD.

    Of course, this was before traction control, ABS, automatic panic stop features, or we knew about oversteer and understeer, etc.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • ray80ray80 Posts: 1,332
    But, winters only on the front?

    I tried the winters on front only the first year we had our first FWD car, don't recall getting any hassles from tire place about it either. Worked reasonably well except for trying to slowdown going downhill (back end tended to want to pas out front end). Corrected that the following year.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    I’ve thought about it but I’m not doing it.

    Here is a TireRack article about using 2 or 4 snow tires.
    Using 2 or 4 snow tires

    Guess one could say they are just out to sell tires.....but, they said you could have serious oversteer or understeer issues using just 2 snows.

    Like I say, probably won't be a factor in most cases, but it could be in 1 in 1000 cases.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    I don't recall if this had been posted earlier but here goes:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzB7hpWhqIA&feature=relmfu

    Yes, they are interested in selling tires...

    IMHO, the extra money for winter tires all around is worth it. You can choose for yourself.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    I am so glad I don't commute to work any more. The highway to Toronto was completely blocked this morning when a dump truck driver forgot to lower his bin, and he struck an overpass. The truck kept going for a few miles before he realized he had lost his bin.

    I would like to have been able to hear him explaining this one to his boss...

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    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Worked reasonably well except for trying to slowdown going downhill (back end tended to want to pas out front end). Corrected that the following year.

    Yeah, only having snows on a FWD car is really asking for a spin out.

    Why are we talking snow tires? It's May people! ;)

    We should all be bitc*** that our cars are covered in pollen.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,793
    I tried the winters on front only the first year we had our first FWD car,

    Probably before traction control days....we all did it then.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    Why are we talking snow tires? It's May people!

    Because some of us haven't had the chance to swap tires yet...I have 3 cars to do.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    The truck kept going for a few miles before he realized he had lost his bin.

    What a moron. How can you not notice a 3 ton metal bin being ripped from the chassis of your truck.

    Drugs or alcohol had to play a factor here.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Because some of us haven't had the chance to swap tires yet...I have 3 cars to do

    Ouch! Don't snows wear really quickly if the temps are warm? I guess I'm lucky here in NJ that snow tires aren't really needed.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,035
    Here in Boston it seems we had a rash of Canadian lumber trucks hitting bridges, dumping loads and not stopping for 15 or 20 miles until they were stopped.

    Yes, alcohol was involved in many of the cases.
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