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thats IF what I'm reading in other places is accurate. but I've read comments from a few people who have said they've recieved a letter from nissan stating that.
Even with replacements does it really guarantee that any newer cell phones you use won't affect it, cell phone technology changes all the time. Utter brain cramp on Nissan's part, they are getting too cute for thier own good if they really think consumers are that lazy and want to avoid turning a key to start thier cars.
So besides worrying about your cell phones, you also have to worry about getting the remote wet (guess that means no more coffee in the car just in case I spill it over my pocket with the remote.) Or god forbid it's in my hand during a rain storm. Not to mention what happens when your FOB battery dies? Does that mean you're stranded, and with Murphy's law, probably in the worst place imaginable. My past car FOB batteries usually last 2 years at most.
I was looking at the Altima sedan or coupe this summer but the one thing that may prevent me buying is this stupid push button starting. Maybe I'm petty but I'm sure others will feel this way and this may end costing Nissan sales in the long run. They have the CVT, there's no need to add stupid gimmicks to separate them from the competition. Dumb,dumb. dumb.
And to the last poster, if your FOB battery dies there's a key for the door inside of it, and then the whole FOB plugs into the dash.
I've been really happy with the car so far.
i just recieved my letter from nissan today about it. as i speculated, it only involves some phones. Also, the phone has to be recieving or making a call to cause a problem. also, the letter said nissan has a new key that will prevent that from happening, and will be sending them out early fall 2007
you don't seem to know what your taking about. It can't be completely shielded, it needs to be able to send and recieve signals to/from the car. and its only cell phones that use a gsm (mostly cingular) that affect it.
Even with replacements does it really guarantee that any newer cell phones you use won't affect it, cell phone technology changes all the time.
there are no guaranteies in life.
was looking at the Altima sedan or coupe this summer but the one thing that may prevent me buying is this stupid push button starting. Maybe I'm petty but I'm sure others will feel this way and this may end costing Nissan sales in the long run. They have the CVT, there's no need to add stupid gimmicks to separate them from the competition. Dumb,dumb. dumb.
You probably shouldn't buy an altima. when looking at new tecnology, there is always a chance for problems. its new, and hasn't been extensively used. You don't sound like you have the stomac for the possible problems than can turn up. consider a honda or toyota.
Nissan will get by without your altima purchase, somehow.
Cell phone technology changes all the time? Maybe feature wise, but the methods of transmission has generally stayed the same. It's been radio frequencies for as long as I can remember. So unless cell phones magically change overnight to the EMP standard, you really don't have too much to worry about. Car technology changes all the time too, but the same gas will drive an 85 Blazer or an 07 Altima.
The push button start is actually a great addition. I thought it was a little gimmicky too, but use it for a couple days and you will like it. You don't realize how convenient it is to open the door and start a car without touching a key. Hands full? Reach for the door or trunk. Killer chasing you? Reach for the door and press a button to start the car. Flip 'em the bird while driving off; someone with keys would already be dead.
If you're worried that a couple of drops of water are going to destroy 'your' fob, stick it in a plastic bag (it will be ok either way). The only time I'd be worried about ruining it from moisture is when it's in my hand while running in the middle of a flash flood, slipping on a rogue banana peel, then falling fist first into a pond. It would seriously take that much effort, aside from washing it. The key will always always always be in your pocket/purse. Always. Trust me.
And if you spill enough coffee to damage a pocketed fob, you have more problems than a damaged fob: First, you shouldn't be driving with that type of slow reaction time and coordination. Second, you need to trade the coffee bucket in for a spill-proof coffee mug. And third, well you'd probably need medical attention since I'm assuming all that coffee you spilled on yourself was pretty hot.
Don't worry about dead fob batteries either: those Nissan rocket-surgeons have implemented an industry term called a "back up plan." There's a key inside the fob, and a port next to the steering wheel that accepts the fob.
This was really why I went with the Altima. I thought "I really need a car that will get me away from killers, and fast." Being able to give them the finger while driving away was just a bonus!
I love my push start. Sure, it seems gimmicky, but its still awesome. I always feel like I'm starting up a smokin' hot rocket or something. And I tend to lose my keys, so never having to take them out of my purse is SO fabulous.
As for remembering what pocket to put keys and cell phones. I don't know about you but wear I live we have something called summer for 3 months a year where I don't where a jacket most times so I'm putting phones, wallets and keys in my shorts and if you're talking on your phone it's a little much to have to think every time you talk on the phone "OK now put phone if left shorts pocket" after hanging up. If you have kids then you know what it means to be distracted a gazillion times a day so forgive me if I'm not paying attention and put my cell phone back in the "big no-no" pocket and god forbid if someone calls me while it's rubbing against my FOB.(there's a joke in there somewhere) My wife is distracted at the best of times and to expect her to keep her phone and keys separated in her purse ain't gonna happen anytime soon and I'm sure she's not in the minority.
If I pay 30K for a car I shouldn't have to worry about where I put my phone. Defend it all you want but plain and simple no one should have to worry about it. In a year's time Nissan won't be so nice about replacing your zapped keys and will start charging for it.
If Nissan can make CVT's and these push button starters then it's kind of silly that they didn't bother ensuring that their FOBs work properly in all circumstances so until they do it's a silly gimmick.
I will try to make this as simple as I can:
All cell phone use 1 of 2 types of signals. GSM and CDMA. the GSM type is what cause the problem. that type of signal is used by cingular and T-Mobil. the rest use CDMA
In a year's time Nissan won't be so nice about replacing your zapped keys and will start charging for it.
Nissan has already made a new fob that will not be affected by either signal. the issue for future buyers will not exist, and current owners will have their fob's replaced in about 3 months.
To reiterate what I said before, you don't appear to know what your talking about, and if your that dead set against "gimmicky" cvt's and key fobs, go buy something else. nobody here (that I've read) is trying to talk you into buying an altima.
Re: "some model" phones... just remember, some phones can be provider specific. The iPhone is only with Cingular (atm), the Blackjack & Chocolate are only with Verizon, etc. It has been said that Cingular and T-Mobile phones are the culprits. They both use the same GSM transmission protocol (3G 850/1900 for Cingular & 3G 1900 for T-Moblie), so there you go. If I had to guess, I'd say the phones operating on the 3G 1900 frequency range are the ones causing problems. But that's just my theory.
I'm not saying their isn't a problem with the fobs; in fact, I am worried about the hack-ability of these fobs. So if you want a reason not to purchase a Nissan, use that one.
So I suppose a cell phone is a silly gimmick since they don't work in tunnels or 100ft underground... Or on the moon covered in chocolate pudding.
I wouldn't worry about that. just wait till you get your replacement fob and have to take the car back to the dealership to get re programmed. You'll find out how difficult it is to get a blank fob to work on your car :shades:
expect the dealership to need 2-6 hours to do it.
"You probably shouldn't buy an altima. when looking at new tecnology, there is always a chance for problems. its new, and hasn't been extensively used."
Actually, the CVT has been used with the 3.5 on the Murano since it came out several years ago. That's a heavier platform than the Altima, so I'd think it's had plenty of field testing...
If your not buying a Nissan Altima because of Intelligent Key, you also might want to take BMW, Lexus, and Infinty off your list. Those are the first cars that come to mind when talking about intelligent keys.
If you are in the market I have a 2001 Checy Impala with low miles if your interested :shades: :shades:
Besides if your that concerned you should have Lo Jack or Guide Point. But there is something else.... Oh yeah INSURANCE.....
Also, the person complainting about the Intellikey, I love it, I dont have to handle my keys anymore to get in or start the car, its a gret safetly feature that should be standard in all cars...
Tony
I don't think anybody knows for certain, Nissan isn't releasing the details, but I got my info from another message board dedicated to nissan vehicles (separate forums for different models and years). The people on it seem to know everything about nissan products. Being as they were right about every other aspect of the Ikey problem, I'm assuming they're right about GSM being the culprit. To give you an idea, they were discussing the Ikey problem about a month and a half ago. Long before anybody else had any idea. And, it does explain a great many things. The only real difference between any cell phone is the type of signal it uses. If you want the link, its
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A lot of good info, and knowledgeable people. you can find everything from what car wax is best, to how to put your car into diagnostic mode, and what all the hundreds of codes mean.
Also, how is 2.5 performs? Altima is pretty heavy car and I'm just wondering if 4cyl will be adequate for it. I live in CO, so mountains and high elevation makes a difference on performance.
Thanks!
This past weekend I drove an hour to my cabin on the freeway, going 70-ish and got 34.5MPG. This tank I'm averaging 30MPG city/hiway.
In the winter when I first got it, I was getting 24 with like 90% city driving.
I think the 2.5's got plenty of power, but I live in MN so hills aren't even an issue, much less mountains.
The 2007 Altima is a complete redesign, not just a facelift. I imagine the vehicles behave quite differently from 06 to 07.
..Drew
For those who have the dark smoky gray Slate color, how easy is it to keep it clean looking? I used to own a black car and it was somewhat difficult to keep clean looking, but I'm wondering how the Slate color compares to black as far as ease of maintenance.
The tough thing about colour choice on the Altima is that it looks good in every colour. No regrets over my choice, though.
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