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Land Rover LR2

Ok so now that there is some realistic looking media out there on the new LR2 I would like to open up some discussion on it.

The latest video is here.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=110159

So what do you think?

There is a real market here as proven by the RX and X3 models.

Acura has the RDX coming out that should arrive a little before the LR2. None of these vehicles have any off road capability at all so if the LR2 comes out with similar on road performance and features but with some real off road functionality I think they will have something.

There is a little bit of a niche that can be explored here.

Put the LR2 in the three trim system just like the LR3 is.

S level trim of the LR2 would be the base level and be priced at round about $27,000 just like the 2005 Freelander was.

Use Duragrain/leatherate in this model maybe make the sunroof optional along with real leather just like the S level trim in the LR3 is. Upgraded interior would put the car at just under $30,000

Possibly use a differently tuned Volvo 5 cylinder turbo motor for this trim.

Next trim level is SE.

Standard Leather and sunroofs optional navigation possibly and BI-Xenon lights. Probably a twin turbo straight six fron Volvo is standard.

Price this trim at around $31,900 starting and just under $36,000 with all options

Next trim level up is HSE.

Do it just like the HSE LR3, standard NAV and bi-xenons. Little bit larger wheels and tires upgraded interior with a little wood trim or maybe include a package with some metal finishes instead of wood.

Add an optional air suspension for the HSE LR2. Don't make it as advanced as the LR3 suspension but a little bit of autoleveling and a small amount of extra ground clearance would be good.

Start the HSE trim LR2 at just under 38,000, a little under where a base LR3 with the six cylinder no sunroofs or leather starts, make the air suspension the only real option probably and cap the max MSRP of a LR2 at just under $40,000.

Comments?
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  • stevenzozstevenzoz Posts: 8
    that sounds like a really good estimate.

    also sounds very promising =]
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I hope I am estimating about right.

    One of the things that killed the orginal freelander was that it was priced way out of its market competition.

    Without even considering the vehicles other shortfalls that showed up later.

    Moving it up a class to compete with the RX, X3 and future RDX is the way to go.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    LRL(Land Rover Life) magazine has several spy photos of the LR2 in CO doing cold weather testing.

    Most Land Rover Retailers have LRL at their Centres that you can just pick up.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    New Land Rover LR2 pics.

    Not sure how accurate they are but they are supposed to be from the preview broucure avaliable in Europe currently.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    More new Land Rover LR2 pictures.

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I have not hear anything yet besides announcment at either London or Paris auto shows and possible sale about this time next year as a 2008 Model.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    These are supposed to be more official ones.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 30,594
    ..which is a good thing, IMO.. I always liked the look of the Freelander..

    Surprising, when you see how far away the looks of the LR3 are from the Disco...

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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    If you would like to delete the above post to fix the format issue I can make another post with just the links to the pictures instead.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    This is on the UK Land Rover site LR2/Freelander 2 in Europe.

    Give the site some time to load as it appears to be a little slow.

    Just glancing through the features now I see they removed the rock crawl setting from Terrain Response. That is good cause no one should be rock crawling without low range.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,200
    Which car platform is the LR2 based on?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    One of the volvo platforms but I am not really sure which one.

    Probably the P2 platform that is used by the S60, S80, V70 and XC90.

    What we were originaly told about a year ago was that it would be built on a heavily modified version of the next generation, sharing less then 40% of the components, X-type platform from Jaguar. It is being built at the Halewood Jaguar plant in England where the X-type is built so I guess this is still true.
  • jamessahaljamessahal Posts: 55
    3.2 inline 6 Cylinder from Volvo, also used in the new S80, 230bhp, 234 ib ft torque and 0-62mph 8.4 secs using a new 6 speed auto. Diesel, although im not sure if it will go on sale in the US is a 2.2 158bhp and 295 ib ft torque (same as the Liberty) engine developed with Peugeot and Citroen. It also uses the same platform as the new Mazda 3, Ford Focus and Volvo S40 and V50. The same platform will also be used again by Volvo for the XC50 which will be a baby XC90. I dont know about pricing in the states, but over here in the UK, around 22 - 30K is what people are saying, no word from LR them selves though.
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    introductory press kit for the LR2 from Land Rover.

    I will post some experts from it as I get the chance.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,712
    Great! One thing I'm curious about is the Terrain Response AWD system? Is it similar to that found on the LR3? More specifically, does it include a low range mode?

    Bob
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    No low range in the LR2 I am sorry to say. The terrain response system will be permanant AWD with four terran response modes.

    1. General Driving
    2. Snow/Grass/Gravel
    3. Mud and Ruts
    4. Sand mode

    I would have loved it if they included low range but I understand why they did not. If you look at the premium small SUV segment none of them have low range. It is not necessary to compete in the segment and while it would be a great thing to claim in a contest of one-upmanship it would probably price the LR2 out of the segment. It is also added weight and complexity that Land Rover does not need in order to have the LR2 help out their CAFE raiting.

    The vehicles that the LR2 are competing against will be...

    1. RDX
    2. X3
    3. RX350 to a lesser extent
    4. future Q5
    5. Future small Merc SUV

    None of them will have low range but unlike the LR2 none of them will have a bit of off-road capablity. I wouldn't even want to take any of those vehicles ona dry sandy beach.

    The LR2 will make its European debut on Tuesday, July 18th at the london international auto show.

    Europe will also get a diesel and while initialy not avaliable a 6 speed manual will be offered in Europe sometime in the spring of 2007.

    I hope the diesel will eventually made avaliable for North America although I doubt the manual ever will be.

    In North America only the 3.2 liter inline 6 that makes 230 hp at 6300 rpm and 234 lb.-ft of torque at 3200 rpm combined with a 6 speed automatic with manual shift and addaptive technology will be offered.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,200
    Maybe it was the angle, but I thought the profile resembled the Escape!

    The Volvo I6 is one big lump of an engine. I think it would work better mounted longitudinally (as it originally was in the 760 / 960), but I don't think any of the current Volvo platforms support that.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,712
    No low range in the LR2 I am sorry to say. The terrain response system will be permanant AWD with four terran response modes.

    Bummer indeed.

    I would have loved it if they included low range but I understand why they did not. If you look at the premium small SUV segment none of them have low range. It is not necessary to compete in the segment and while it would be a great thing to claim in a contest of one-upmanship it would probably price the LR2 out of the segment. It is also added weight and complexity that Land Rover does not need in order to have the LR2 help out their CAFE raiting.

    I don't buy it, not one bit. This is a "Land Rover," not another SUV wannabe. It should have a low range! If anything, the low range would set it apart from its competition, as well as reconfirm its off-road heritage. Offer it as an option if need be—but offer it!

    If Jeep can offer a low range option for the Patriot, so should Land Rover offer this feature in the LR2. Granted, it's doubtful those two will ever be cross-shopped, but that's not the point. The point is every "trail-rated" Jeep offers a low range. So should should Land Rover.

    Bob
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    The originaly freelander did not have Low Range and was frankly amazing off road. The only thing it could not do well was rock crawling and even then a good driver with help from the HDC system could go places many Low range equipped SUVs could not go.

    Last I heard the patriod and compass were not getting low range so had that changed?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,712
    That's true for the Compass. The Patriot will have low range as part of an option package called Freedom Drive II. See link.

    http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18

    I would still want a low range, if for no other reason other than off-road insurance. Same with a full-size spare tire. I'm hoping the LR2 at least has that? Also, what the tow rating (braked and unbraked)?

    Bob
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    I don't think they have released tow raitings yet for the LR2. The freelander was 3500 lbs I think with trailer brakes.
  • bosi77bosi77 Posts: 37
    Will the land rover LR2 have an adjustable air suspension?
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    From all I have seen no.
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  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Yeah better to let Kristie help you I just post here and I do that too much.

    When I started this thread I looked around to see if there was anything on the LR2 and when I didn't I just started it.

    In retrospect I should have named the thread Land Rover LR2 instead of 2008 Land Rover LR2.
  • murphydogmurphydog Posts: 512
    two questions about the upcoming LR2.

    1. Was Car and Driver on the money with pricing? I.e. starting at 29,000 and 34,000 loaded?
    2. How does the LR2 compare in size to my 01 Montero sport, wheel base is nearly the same, but did not see any other numbers for the LR2

    Thanks!
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    They haven't told us pricing yet but I would hope that is what they would keep it at around that.

    They originaly said they the base price of the LR2 would be around about where the old Freelander topped out. This makes me think a 29,999 base price, keep in mind no one will order those cars, and then probably mid to upper 30,000s for the top end.

    Land Rover has already increassed the base price of the LR3 signifcantly for 2007 so I bet they are leaving room for a very pricey 38,000-40,000 dollar LR2. The LR3 used to start under 40,000 but Land Rover has now required that all V6 LR3s come with the 3000 dollar premium package. That combined with the normaly year to year price increases means that I think a 2007 LR3 will start around 43,000. They have not announed 2007 pricing yet either so I do not know for sure.

    The only other bits of data I have on the LR2 as far as size is concerned are for interior volume.

    Luggage volume with the rear seats folded stands at 59 cubic feet. With the rear seats up volume stands at 26.5 cubic feet. These numbers are aproximate and could change some. That is a little less then 10 cubic feet more space then the old freelander.
  • murphydogmurphydog Posts: 512
    hmmmm....35,000 for a premimum small SUV maybe, but 40,000 might be too much. Even though the wheel base is nearly the same the luggage space sounds quite a bit smaller than what I have right now.

    I guess I will have to wait and see when they arrive. From the pictures it is a very handsome SUV, and I like the thought of comfort and ability. ;)
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