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2007 Toyota Camry Problems and Repairs

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  • ken74ken74 Posts: 13
    First let me say this... To all of you who are die-hard Toyota fans, who can't believe that Toyota would BS there customers, please do not respond to this post defending Toyota. There is no defense. They are stone-walling many of their customers. If there are any who believe otherwise, wake up and smell the coffee. Some of these folks have been customers for years and have owned many gens of Toyota. My family has owned Toyotas for many years with good results, until now. I am sorry for the rant that is about to ensue, but I have got to speak my mind.

    As many of you may know, I have posted several times regarding the hesitation issue in the 07 Camry 2.4 VViT. Just to recap in case you have not, I have taken my car to the dealer several times to have this hesitation diagnosed, each time resulted in "unable to duplicate" and "the car is driving normal". Wow, that sounds identical to every other person's complaint I have heard or read about. (Hmnnn..... very strange, isn't it?) I have had the regional rep come out to look at it, and that's about all he did. He did not drive the car and basically blew me off.

    Toyota would not acknowledge this problem in anyway, but, all the sudden there is a TSB for it. Until recently, and after the TSB release, I still could not get a straight answer from Toyota about this issue (hesitation) and whether or not the TSB was aimed at correcting it.

    Moving to a recent phone call to Toyota Motor Sales, I finally had someone at Toyota lay it all out for me.

    Yes, Toyota knows there is a hesitation problem, yes the TSB was issued in aim of rectifying it and no, they are not sure how or if they ever will fix it.

    While I was thankful he was straight-forward about it, his admission made me even more upset about this situation. The reason is, Toyota knowingly sold me this car, and many more like it to others all over the US and Canada, with this hesitation issue in existence and has now taken the stance the nothing is wrong with their cars (publicly).

    I have written the CEO, Mr. Yuki Funo. I would advise all having this same issue to do the same, though I must warn you, he will not likely read it or even see or hear about it. None-the-less, Toyota needs to hear from everyone who is having this problem. They can not ignore everyone forever. This will come back to bite them in the butt eventually, it is just a matter of time. Unfortunately, that does not help those of us who have been screwed already.

    For those interested, Mr. Funo's address is:

    Mr. Yuki Funo
    Toyota Motor Sales
    19001 SW AVE
    Torrance, California 90501

    And once again, if you have not done so and your Camry still has a hesitation issue, please fill a complaint with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. You may do so by one of the following methods:

    • By Phone: 1-888-327-4236
    • Via the Web: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

    Thanks for listening to my rant. I hope we can get this issue resolved soon. It is stressing me and my family out……..
  • Too much bass from the JBL 6-CD Radio. Even with the tone control at -5 for Bass, the door panels and dash vibrate and buzz. Is mine the only one?
  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    hey ken74, can I assume that you had the TSB EG056-06 applied and it failed to solve the 'hesitation' issues?
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    ken74, do you have another toyota dealership in your area? perhaps you can just lay it on the line for them there. tell them dealership1 doesn't want to acknowlege the situation exists, that you've had the TSB applied (drjames has a valid question - it is not clear from your post if it was performed) that the regional rep just looked at your vehicle (what region are you in)? that guy should loose his job if you ask me.

    ask dealership2 if they are willing to try a few things on behalf of you and your family's safety.

    you're suggestion to write the NHTSA is probably better than writing soley to Mr. Yuki Funo. unfortunately, you can't be sure the CEO of any corportation these days is going to personally receive your mail message and then if so, be in a position to do anything for a specific end-customer or population of brand loyal consumers, no matter how customer-centric or quality-focused their reputation.

    however, sending a copy of the NHTSA communication you submit to the government to his office address is a good idea.

    remember to take the high-road, even if you and other's like you are being treated poorly, that your intellegence, honesty, loyalty and safety is being disregarded by such a respected company and their dealership network.
  • ken74, I had similar situation with my Toyota. New TSB didn't help much so I had regional rep look at the car but after driving for 2 min he couldn't duplicate the problem... Believe it or not my car after about 500 miles finally started responding normally. There's still a little choking and jerking when the engine is cold but it's nothing comparing to what it was before.
    Give it a little more time, maybe it will help.
    Thanks.
  • Too much bass from the JBL 6-CD Radio. Even with the tone control at -5 for Bass, the door panels and dash vibrate and buzz. Is mine the only one?
  • Has anyone found out any response's from TMUSA? I still find the issue with my 4 cyl tranny problem unresolved even after the TSB. Dealer offered a trade in, but on what?, another one. No thanks. Now what? Feel very stuck with a car I consider unsafe due to lack of drivablity. If I trade to another brand of car, will lose money. Toyota needs to provide some answer. Any luck from anybody? Filed complaint with NHTSA.
  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    If the dealer is offering you an swap for a new one, why not take it? If they're not asking for any more money, why not take the chance? Most I4 5As have been excellent..... what's the worse thing that could happen... same problems now... but unlikely.
  • ken74ken74 Posts: 13
    Though you may not want to hear this, I have been up the Toyota corporate chain and back down again. The bottom line is, Toyota knows about the issue and either:

    A. Does not know how to fix it.
    B. Does not care to fix it as it is not costing them money or tarnishing their image yet. (Statistical approach)

    I have given Toyota every opportunity to rectify this situation in one way or another. What did that get me? The same thing it has gotten everyone else; a good’ole stone-walling by Toyota. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, you are welcome to arbitrate the issue.

    On a serious note, arbitration may be your only option depending on your state’s lemon law (if it has one). Of course you can just deal with it or trade out of the car. You will lose money with the latter option. Trust me, I just found that out the hard way.

    Lastly, there are a few rumors of Class Action floating around based on the idea that Toyota sold these vehicles with the knowledge of the hesitation issue. However, I have not seen anything in writing as of yet. (i.e. Blogs, forums, articles, etc…..) Canada maybe?

    As I stated before, I found out first hand that you will most likely lose money on your Camry if you trade it. But, I am much happier now without the stress of this whole ordeal. I do intend, however, to continue to research the issue when I have time.

    Good luck. Sorry to hear you have become yet another “statistic” in Toyota’s eyes.
  • ken74ken74 Posts: 13
    Thanks for the reply.

    In Short, yes, I have many other dealers in the area. However, (I may be wrong assuming this) based on what I have seen in my research of cases around the nation and Canada, it would have made no difference. Even if I took it to another dealer and they did miraculously find the problem, there is no fix/resolution for the issue. It would be a waste of time and potentially addition stress.

    As for the TSB, yes it was applied. It did not work.

    As for the regional rep, I am not sure I feel he should be fired, however he should be at least reprimanded for the lack of professionalism (as should several others). However, I do not believe that could ever happen as I strongly feel the reps are pretty much told what to say/how to approach this increasingly sensitive issue.

    In regard to the letter to the CEO, you are of the same mindset as that of my own. The CEO will realistically never see the letter(s), but it can not hurt anything and may eventually prompt Toyota to do something.

    Moreover, consultation the NHTSA is indeed the strongest medium available at this time.

    As for my family and I, safety is the utmost issue involved here. Therefore, I have opted to trade the car and take the hit in trade deficit. Ouch... Bitter sweet.....
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    One cannot wonder why, if the problem is as widespread or severe as many on this board are experiencing, why hasn't a class action lawsuit been filed?

    I asked this not to provoke anyone, but out of knowledge that class action lawsuits are filed quite easily these days, often over minor issues, and of course attorneys love to target companies with deep pockets. Pockets don't get much deeper than Toyota's.

    Meanwhile, Camry production is maxed out, auto reviewers and consumer satisfaction monitors continue to sing praises, etc.

    BTW, the own a hybrid Camry that, fortunately, has a different transmission. Good luck to all.
  • Copy/notify Consumer Reports magazine editors (David Champion in perticular) on any complaints or other types of written communications you have with Toyota and NHTSA. They are becoming aware of these growing Toyota quality issues, and need to be kept aware.
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    the problem need not be widespread... if you have the problem vehicle, that is all that matters to you and your family. it amazes me that there are people that doubt you have a problem, merely because they do not.

    good for them. i believe they have a properly operating vehicle. why should we doubt them?

    anyway, in your position, if i felt i exhausted all avenues - i would take the fiscal hit also.

    there is absolutely no amount of hesitation which is acceptable in any vehicle i drive or my wife drives, or that carry our most precious children. i wouldn't own it, rent it, or even give it away to someone i cared about.

    it would have little to no value to me.

    i *DO* suggest giving another dealership a shot; maybe there are some dealerships out there that will go the extra mile to see to it that the product they sell and service works properly, and if not, to take the issue up with the manufacturer to do right by the consumer.

    me? i wouldn't consider my vehicle completely experimented with unless the following had been done by the dealership (not necessarily in this order): TSB applied, transmission valve body then transmission was replaced, the ECU/TCM was replaced, the throttle body assembly replaced, and last but definitely not least, the accelerator pedal assembly replaced.

    practically, i know it is unrealistic to allow for all this experimentation even if they were willing to do it.

    good luck to you.

    p.s. if this wasn't a widespread issue or if there were no issue at all, then a self-respecting dealership and / or the manufacturer would just give you another vehicle to replace the defective one which they couldn't fix, right?
  • I don't believe I have a herniated disk at all. There is no pain in the foot or the lower back. It is a burning sensation from the outside of my leg traveling up through the knee and up into the hip area. I don't know if that's where the sciatic nerve is located (I'm not in the medical profession). It was so bad driving home from work one day that I cried. The next day I went to urgent care. They sent me for an ultrasound to see if it was a blood clot and also an x-ray of the knee. Two days later I was walking up the steps at home and my leg gave out due to the pain and I went down. It took me about 15 minutes to get to the phone and call my husband to take me to the doctor. Since, I've had a MRI and arthoscopic surgery as I tore the meniscus when my leg gave out. I refuse to drive the car at this point.
  • Nohting wrong with this car... just sell it or trade it in and move on.
  • Camry hesitation complaints are common in this and other forums. The complaints have also spread to the Lexus and Scion brands. Immediately after a recent hesitation complaint on a 2007 Scion tc the forum was changed to a "read-only" format.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    If you care to browse around the internet you will find throttle lag complaints about VW and Ford FWD automatic transaxle vehicles with virtually the same complaints.
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    In the early days of emission control systems, throttle lag was common across most car brands. And in recent years, most rental cars I've driven have occasionally exhibited poor throttle response in some driving situations.

    But, Toyota is doing far too much transmission work for this to be nothing more than that.

    To date, though, I know of no car accidents that have been blamed on the problem. If/when that happens, the press will quickly spread the word. That auto reviwers and consumer rating groups haven't picked up on the problem suggests it isn't widespread.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    While it is likely that a goodly number of accidents have already occurred due to the throttle lag symptom how will it be written up?
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    >>>While it is likely that a goodly number of accidents have already occurred . .

    Do you have a basis for that statement other than personal opinion?

    How will it be written up? Just like any other safety-related auto defect has been written up in the past. The Ford Explorer/Firestone tire blowouts, "unintended" acceleration problem of Audis, and this one from just a few days ago:

    "DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group is recalling 127,928 Chrysler Pacificas from the 2005-2006 model years. The crossover vehicles have fuel pump modules and powertrain control module software that may allow the engine to stall under certain conditions, causing a crash to occur without warning."

    http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=consumer&id=4774342
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    respectfully, i don't agree.

    a vehicle that hesitates when making a left-hand turn: more than likely the person is going to be cited for crossing against oncomming traffic. the WHY isn't likely to be recorded.

    a vehicle that hesitates when changing lanes, and someone is hit from behind? most likely written up as a vehicle following too closely from behind.

    a vehicle failing to accelerate adequately to speed when making the highway on-ramp merge? more likely to be written up as vehicles merging with too large a speed difference.

    i suspect very few if any hesitation related accidents would be written up with that sort of specificity and completeness such that it was searchable in some national database.

    when was the last time you were in an accident? often the people are at a loss to accurately remember exactly what preceeded the event.

    and if you're in the middle of the intersection, or at the side of the road with heavy traffic, you think the police officer is going to be looking for that sort of minucia / detail?
  • lzclzc Posts: 483
    Are you saying that if you were in an accident because your car stalled while making a turn that you would then say nothing about the car's malfunction? I doubt it.

    Recalls happen because people report problems. They report them to a police officer investigating an accident, who dutifully includes it in his report, they include it on claims forms filed with their insurance company, and then some file complaints with NHTSA.

    Soon, if the problem isn't isolated, the numbers add up and people pay attention.

    Here's a summary of defect petition submitted to NHTSA (all caps in original):

    A DEFECT PETITION WAS RECEIVED 8/24/2006 BY THE OFFICE OF DEFECTS INVESTIGATION (ODI) REQUESTING AN INVESTIGATION OF MODEL YEAR (MY) 2002 - 2006 TOYOTA CAMRY AND CAMRY SOLARA VEHICLES FOR INCIDENTS RELATING TO VEHICLE SURGING. THE PETITIONER OWNS A MY 2006 CAMRY AND PREVIOUSLY OWNED A MY 2003 CAMRY. HE ALLEGES THAT BOTH VEHICLES EXHIBITED "ENGINE SURGING" WHICH HE DESCRIBED AS A SHORT DURATION (1 TO 2 SECOND) INCREASE IN ENGINE SPEED OCCURRING WHILE THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL IS NOT DEPRESSED. FOR THE MY 2006 VEHICLE, THE PETITIONER ESTIMATES 6 TO 8 SURGE INCIDENTS, OF VARYING MAGNITUDE, OCCURRED OVER THE COURSE OF 10,000 MILES AND NEARLY 7 MONTHS OF OWNERSHIP. ALTHOUGH THE PETITIONER REPORTS THAT THE BRAKE SYSTEM HAS ALWAYS BEEN EFFECTIVE AT CONTROLLING AND OVERCOMING THE ENGINE SURGE HE HAS CONCERN FOR CRASH REPORTS FILED WITH THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRANSPORTATION SAFETY ADMINISTRATION ALLEGING UNCONTROLLED SURGING TO A HIGH SPEED AND IN SOME CASES WITH THE BRAKES APPLIED. ODI WILL EVALUATE THE PETITION FOR A GRANT OR DENY DECISION.

    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/defect/defectsummary.cfm?inv_id=11176- &type=VEHICLE&typenum=1&cmpt_id=294&prod_id=207851&make=TOYOTA&model=CAMRY SOLARA&model_yr=2006
  • Your post is complete B.S. Sorry but you are passing your subjective opinion as facts without any proof whatsoever. It is well known that the first thing a when an accident occurs is the cause of it being recorded by the officer at the scene. If the hesitation in the transmission was a prime cause of the accident it would have been recorded. There is no way something like this could be kept under wrap for such a long time.
  • drjamesdrjames Posts: 274
    Much agreed motownusa and Icz, I don't know what user777 would do, but if I were involved in a MVC because my car broke down? I'd be fighting the charges with lawyers and letting the police know what happened.
  • terry92270terry92270 Posts: 1,247
    Isn't the hesitation complaint mainly from users switching between direct link throttles and the drive by wire system :confuse:

    I've noticed it, but it has never presented the over-blown remarks I have read here.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Isn't the hesitation complaint mainly from users switching between direct link throttles and the drive by wire system

    This is my own opinion as well. It is different and it may take some time to adjust to it. I've noticed it in our '04 Highlander but it's been minimal and eventually gone away.

    Obviously there were some adjustments needed since Toyota has published several TSB's in order to improve the performance. I can understand the frustration but I've not been able to encounter any of the most serious complaints.
  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    I'm still not convinced drive-by-wire has anything to do with this issue. I notice absolutely NO difference between my '98 Frontier (with mechanical linkage) and my two late-model Camrys ('04 and '05 with electronic throttle).

    Regarding the possibility of crashes and whether the car is to blame for hesitating, the whole police/traffic court/insurance system is geared toward finding the driver at fault (by violating some traffic law), not the car. This has been true for decades, if not since the beginning of the auto age. Only in the most egregious cases is mechanical failure brought into the equation.

    With regard to the left turn scenario across oncoming traffic, I'm reminded of a line from a driver's ed book years ago: "It's not a question of whether you can make it, but rather can you afford NOT to make it?"
  • I'm seriously considering an SE V6 (despite the ugly nose on the car but at least the SE has the nice grill) but now I think I will test drive it again - this time quite a bit harder.

    I drove it once and noticed the annoying engine-braking thing, but since I would personally prefer a 6-speed stick I found myself popping it out of gear to neutral when I would take the foot off the gas. Just a habit about toying with the thing, I guess. Might get annoying over the long haul.

    The other problems bother me a bit more. I need to remember that when my parents visit they will likely use this car. They need something predictable. This thread is going to have me looking at the Milan Premier and the Aura XR a little harder. I actually like the Aura but I can't stand the "no-haggle" nonsense. Not haggling is for wimps IMHO and if you don't wanna haggle you can just pay sticker on any car. Whattah concept. The Milan is cool save the crappy tranny and the lower mileage.

    Anyway, thanks for sharing your woes. You are having an impact on potential customers. :shades:
  • ken74ken74 Posts: 13
    I have driven many vehicles with this technology, and yes, there may be some lag, (theoretically in nanoseconds) however, it is typically consistent/predictable and easy to adapt to. It is a whole different ball of wax when at one intersection the vehicle takes off and the next, under the same circumstances, it hesitates severely, then applies power all at once. (enough to chirp the tires).

    (The next statement is not directed at anyone in particular, it just bugs me that some people seem to doubt the validity of this issue/complaint.)

    Furthermore, if the issue was not severe (for some) why would people be trading in their new 07 Camrys already? Myself being one of them. I am not made of money, therefore I am certainly not going to trade in a car and lose money unless there is a damn good reason. My reason was safety.

    One can speculate all day long as to why it does it, whether or not it is a problem, etc, etc, etc…. The bottom line is this: if the vehicle hesitates at a critical moment, it can cost innocent people their lives. That is unacceptable and a shame on Toyota or any other auto maker who turns the blind eye until it becomes a negative impact on their profits.
  • user777user777 Posts: 3,341
    210delray,
    you write:
    the whole police/traffic court/insurance system is geared toward finding the driver at fault (by violating some traffic law), not the car.

    yes - that's a good point. thanks for making it.

    having been in a few accidents over the years, and having read the police report(s) following the description(s) / affidavits(s) i made, i hold by my assertion about what is typically recorded, and also what is presentable in court re: fault, and can do so without hesitation. ;)

    now, if the accident involved the unfortunate death or significant disability of an individual or individuals, then the level of investigation and description would be to a different standard and level of detail, but even then i assert this information would most likely be passed over, and further not communicated to relevant agencies for assimilation and dissemination.
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