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Toyota Camry Hybrid MPG-Real World Numbers

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  • Until 2012 we were averaging 33 mpg in winter & about 30 mpg in summer due to continued A/C use. Now in 2013 our mpg is dropping sharply to 15-24 mpg. We can't get better than 28 even driving as conservatively as possible. We don't have a clue why. But we know Findlay Toyota in Vegas will drag our wallet over the coals with a diagnosis, then give us some sort of multi-million dollar solution. So we live with the problem until we dump it when buying a new car.
  • With your mileage dropping that consistently, and getting very low, I'd suspect that there is a brake caliper sticking. Happened on my '04 Corolla, and the symptoms were identical to yours.

    Could be something else, but I'd check the brake caliper first.
  • Not sure what is wrong but I'd bail out ASAP. I had a 08 Camry hybrid up until 6 months ago. Prior to its departure a door lock solenoid seized and was $600 and the water pump was leaking $550....not a big deal until 9 days later the drivers door lock solenoid crapped out and locked me in the car...taking the car in for an estimate I'm informed the struts need replacing at $700 per axle (1400 total).. I held off a couple of weeks to decide what to do and the car makes a loud bang after turning off....came from the engine compartment and attracted the attention of others in the parking lot. Spent the next couple of weeks car shopping and a third door lock solenoid failed to open the passenger front door while at a Toyota dealer looking the Prius and non existent Avalon Hybrid(they have a few now). The next day the last solenoid did not work....so now I needed 3 solenoids,4 struts and whatever that loud noise from the engine was. I said goodbye to it after 5 years and 1 month....wanted to keep it longer but too frustrated to deal with the never ending repairs.
  • Update: At 1/4 on the gas gauge, filled up. Only took 12.1 gallons.
    Could that mean it still has 5 gallons of reserve? Thats a bunch.
    Computer said it got 45.7 MPG. Actual came out to be 44 mpg.
    Mostly surburban driving and on Hwy trip = 200 miles.
    At fillup, it said the range would be 661 miles.
    At 44 mpg and 17 gallons, the actual range to empty would be 748.
    So the difference of 87 miles means that at 44mpg, the range readout reads zero when you have 2 gallons of fuel left in the tank, more or less.
    In the next 188 mile trip, I averaged 48 on the read out, but had kind of a scare. I Climbed a 1000 ft grade in 4.5 miles. I made a few stops at the top and started back down the back side of the mountain (where the grade was not so bad but still a 1000 foot drop. The MPG readout (since car started) said 99. I notice that the engine had shut down and I was on Batt only and the Batt charge kept dropping even well after I left the mountain. I looked for a malfunction indicator - none. I looked to see if I had somehow gotten into EV mode - No.
    Thought I lost a generator or something. Eventually 5 miles from the mountains, the engine started back up and the MPG started falling thru 88 mpg and by the time I got home 80 miles later it indicated 48 mpg and the batt was charged. I found that strange that it was using batt alone so long after climbing a 1000 feet up a 2000 foot mountain. Not what I expected the progammers software to do in that situation. Odometer was just passing 1000 mile at the time.
  • Thank goodness for the mild Fall months of Florida (not too hot, not too cold)...finally getting the 2007 TCH back to near 40 mpg in daily driving. Just did a gas check today, and it came back at 567 miles @ 14.6 gallons of regular unleaded, and that was with nearly 200 miles of Interstate travel at 75 mph, which is hardly optimal for fuel efficiency. Hope to be close to 600 miles with the next tank. Checking my fuel chart for the year, my worst fuel economy with a full tank of gas was 34.5 mpg in late July/early August (the heart of the summer heat), and 39 mpg in mid February (cool and mild), so there certainly is a difference to be noted based on the time of year. However, I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report. Definitely sounds like something is wrong for a car that's supposed to do 40+ mpg giving up 25 or so.
  • Quote: I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report.

    I can't believe that either. Here is something interesting.
    I get 39 going to the store 5 miles away in the suburbs.
    I get 51 coming home. Very consistent - Why?
    Answer: the engine is stone cold going and has to choke the engine.
    The engine is hot at leaving the store.
    Result: Better gas mileage. MY max on a long hop home was 77 mpg.
    It all averages out to about 44 for me.
    I keep my car in a semi-heated garage because it is on a continuous slab and the heat is conducted to the garage floor from the house and the garage door is insulated. The winter temp never drops below 45.
    So I'm expecting lower MPG in January, but not that low. Time will tell.
  • apersonaperson Posts: 5
    edited November 2013
    I have a 2007 Camry Hybrid, which I purchased in May 2013 with 41000 miles on it; single owner, garage kept. Prior to this, I had a 2000 4 cyl Camry and a 2005 4 cyl Camry (bought both new). Both the 2000 and 2005 were similar in gas mileage. I kept an excel spreadsheet and logged every single tank of gas and corresponding gas mileage for the 2005 for the 120000 miles that I owned it. The average ranged from 23mpg to 26mpg. For the 2007 Hybrid, my last few tanks with without the A/C or heater on have been right around 39.5. My summer tanks were anywhere between 29 and 32 mpg depending on how hot it was (thus running A/C harder). I coast and use my cruise control a lot. I love that the car is perfectly silent when waiting at a light and it also has decent power (although my 2005 non-hyprid Camry felt like it had more power ... but the shakiness during idle always bothered me ... same with the 2000 model).
  • lester_englester_eng Posts: 10
    edited November 2013
    Hi aperson: You are a true hypermiler.
    Since 2007, memory got cheaper and Toyota Software became more sophisticated. Thus, the EPA mileage took a jump upward to what it now is.
    The 2013 is actually cycling the traction batt about once a week where it forces the system into batt only mode and MPG goes way up into the 60s area. Then the batt runs down, the engine comes back on and the MPG starts falling and the batt re-charges. NO I did not hit the Batt only mode switch. I've seen this a bunch of times and thought I had a problem.
    Yes a lot of hot or cold weather will drop your MPG.

    Good and bad:
    Bad - short trips in cold weather in a hybrid will leave your engine operating below optimum operating temp too long and lead to carbon build up, etc.
    Good - I find myself driving safer because I do not try to beat lights where I know I'll be sitting for 3 minutes waiting and waiting, because I know that I'm not burning gas sitting at the light.

    Note: true the older Camries has a rough idle when parked at a light with the trans in Drive. My recient cars don't seem to do that probably because there is less resistance in the fluid connection between the engine and the drive train so the trans is not pulling in engine torque (my guess).
  • One more case in point. Owning the 07, 10, 12 and 13 camries, I can tell you this: The 10 and 12 6-speed cars are designed for two-lane country driving.
    They have a decent passing gear. MPG is in the 40s if you are dogging it and mid 30s if you are a speed demon.
    The 13 Hybrid has a variable transmission. It only shine in city and suburban driving. MPG is unbeatable and that is where I like it.

    But when it comes to touring the mountains and rural counties with congested two-lane roads, I leave the Hybrid in the garage and go with the 6-speed 2010.
    Both are designed for different driving. Not just my opinion. I took the Hybrid up to Sewanee and back. It was ok, but why run up miles on a very expensive machine when you can get better performance with the much cheaper models.
    Good question, right?
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 123
    edited December 2013
    Most of you are probably aware that Consumer Reports recently took the 2013 Camry and 2013 Camry Hybrid off their recommended list due to the fact that the 2013 Camry did poorly on the National Insurance Highway Institute's frontal/offset crash test. Because of this poor crash test result by the Camry, and because the 2013 Honda Accord has been getting rave reviews in the automotive press, resulting in the Toyota Camry's eroding market share in this highly competitive car segment, Toyota has announced that in two weeks from now (link: link title) it will describe it's plans to make significant changes in the engineering, design, and possible appearance of the Camry for 2014.

    Also, since the just released 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid (link: link title) has 'knocked it out of the park' in hybrid technology and real world mpg performance rivaling that of the Prius, with the new Honda Accord Hybrid getting up to 50/45 mpg #'s, will Toyota make any hybrid power-plant/technology changes to the 2014 Camry hybrid (or do an early release of the 2015 Camry and 2015 Camry hybrid) to address the challenge by Honda's Accord Hybrid in their upcoming redo of the Camry???

    Your thoughts and comments are welcome.

    Jake
  • Honda has faked their numbers in the past. Remember the Civic H.
    I'll pass on most of their stated specifications for now.
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 123
    edited December 2013
    Thank you for your post wheels r super. It is true some Mfg's (ie, Hyundai, Honda, and Ford, not to mention the EPA) have faked or misrepresented mpg #'s/fuel efficiency of various car models. However, it appears the high fuel efficiency #'s by the new 2014 Honda Accord is no fluke or fake; 47 mpg combined for the 2014 Honda Accord Hybrid vs 39-40 for the 2013/2014 TCH.

    Alex Dykes is a very thorough, honest and forthright auto journalist/reviewer who has recently reviewed most of the cars in this midsize hybrid segment, and has some interesting observations and commentary in his print and especially video reviews. If you have the time, I think you will enjoy them and learn from them as I have. While Alex's 2012 TCH review is a bit cursory (and the audio is a bit subpar and video shake is a bit annoying) his other reviews are much more polished and you can glean much of the hybrid tech mpg #'s for the TCH from his reviews of the 2013 Avalon and 2013 Lexus ES 300h, since these other Toyota hybrid products have virtually the same hybrid tech and power-plants/drive-trains; they just have a bit more lux and higher cost for that lux. The following links should help you get a better appreciation of how the hybrid technology is changing/evolving and what Toyota should do to regain it's lead, which it appears to have lost. To watch the excellent video reviews, click on the play button of one of the images in the print reviews:

    2012 Camry Hybrid link: link title

    2013 Avalon and 2013 Avalon Hybrid link: link title

    2013 Lexus ES 300h
    link: link title

    2013 Ford Fusion Hybrid link: link title

    2014 Honda Accord Hybrid link: link title

    BTW, I currently own a 2010 Highlander AWD LTD, and like it a lot, but would not replace it with a hybrid Highlander since the price differential b/n the non-hybrid and hybrid HL is outrageous @ $7-8 k and would take 9-11 yrs to break even since the real world mpg gain in a HL hybrid is really only ~ 5 mpg (Toyota says 28 mpg for the HLH, but real world #'s listed on fueleconomy.gov and fuelly.com is ~ 25 mpg, and my combined mpg for my 2010 HL AWD 6 cyl is 20-21 mpg), assuming the price of gas stays below ~ $4/gal which it may do in light of the fact of all the new oil-shale finds/development in the USA and Canada. I also have owned several non-hybrid Camry's over the years, and when the cost differential in that hybrid over a non-hybrid is only ~ $1750, one can break even in about 4-5 years for the extra hybrid cost, which makes more economic sense. I plan to buy a midsize hybrid sedan in the next 1-2 yrs (in addition to my HL SUV), which is why I welcome the competition by Honda vs Toyota and the other mfgs. Competition is good because we the consumers are the ultimate benefactors with better and cheaper (usually) products.

    Your thoughts and comments are welcome.

    Jake
  • Three points:
    Every year on average, MPG goes up in the H-Line. Compare the 07 Toyota Camry to the 13. Big difference! Next year, Every car company can and has plans on beating the best one out there today. You buy a car today, and next year it will be obsolete electronically and technology - simple fact!

    Point Two: Once you fake a number on me, I don't ever come back. It's a red flag and that's that.

    Point Three: Ford has 40+ cars in the CR "Cars to be avoided" class due to screw-ups in the model year of that line. GM is even worse. Toyota has only "ONE".
    I'm told the Impala is now a fantastic car. My answer; I would not be caught driving one because I would feel like people think I'm stupid for giving another chance to a time-proven failure. Otherwise, GM and Honda may have the best cars for the moment, but when you go to sell one you may be stuck with the same old Mfg's reputation they deserved in the past. People really don't forget that kind of thing, unfortunately. Trust and Time-proven Success are hard to beat when you go to sell a car. I sold my last Toyota in less than one day on Craigs list. I wasn't even completely ready to sell it so I started high to give me some feedback and it was gone the same day and I had to go looking for a new car the next day.

    It's all about your comfort zone, Jake. I don't fault you for having a different perspective. That is what makes car companies try to stay out front.
    Remember the transistor AM radio back in 1961 - it sold the car.

    Les
  • ushy66ushy66 Posts: 123
    edited December 2013
    Toyota has announced today it will make engineering changes to improve the crash results noted by Consumer Reports in their downgrade of the 2013/2014 Camry and Camry hybrid, plus other unspecified changes to the 2014 Camry to keep it competitive ("And we’re going to continue to improve the car. We’ll have lots and lots of Camry news next year. ") in the midsized sedan segment (check the link: link title ).

    How long will it be before Toyota's Camry hybrid ups its game to better compete with the Accord Hybrid (performance) and Ford Fusion Hybrid (style): 2014 or 2016? Since the Camry, Accord and Fusion are on five year (complete) refresh/redesign cycles, and usually have a mild 'mid-cycle' refresh the 4th of the five year cycle, the 2015 Camry would be the 'mid-cycle' refresh and the 2017 Camry is when the next generation Camry is introduced, will we need to wait 'til Q2/Q3 2016 for the 2017 TCH for significant real world MPG #'s improvements? My best guess is that we will see significant TCH performance and styling improvements in Q2/Q3 2014 for the 2015 TCH model.

    Jake
  • What type of battery is the Honda Hybrid using?
    What is the warrantee on that?
    And, if you happen to know, what drives the power brakes in both the Honda and the Toyota? They can't be taking the vacuum off the engine since it is not running when the brakes are applied?

    Thanks from Les
  • clongstreetclongstreet Posts: 1

    @PFFlyer@Edmunds said: How is your TCH performing at the pump? This is the place to discuss your mileage performance!

    It seems after reading all this, the average driver can expect between 38-42 on average blended driving. I always get a kick out of those that say they can get 61mpg! 99mbpg!!!....hilarious....drive a tankful, take ODO and divide by gas purchased. That's what you got. All those inflated numbers are based on: : "I got up to speed quickly, put the car in neutral, gliding down a mountain, with full sails aloft, while waving my arms and nudging the car in my seat, after polishing my car to a mirror shine to include the windows, tires pumped up to 50psi, 1 gallon of gas in the tank, maybe less....blah blah blah....no speedy, you didn't really get 61....you were mere gliding and burning no fuel until you rolled to a stop. Hardly an accurate reading....also, the car is taking a snapshot when you see those hallucinatory readings...not accurate. Again, fill the tank, drive it until empty, fill it and divide by the miles driven when you RESET the tripometer BEFORE you set off from your LAST fill up. THAT's an accurate reading...

  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808

    Yep, accuracy in your measurements is important! I recall having "ruined" the mileage a someone was getting with their car. They thought they were getting something like 42 MPG and debating whether going to a hybrid vehicle would make sense. Well, the 42 MPG sounded WAY high for the make/model of car they had. A little back and forth determined that they "calculated" their mileage by taking the number of miles they had driven after they bought the car by the number of gallons they put in the first time they put gas in the car...never mind how much gas might have been in the tank when they filled up. They never checked it again and assumed that was the mileage the car normally got. Needless to say, when they did things the right way (filled up, drove miles, filled up again, miles divided by gallons) they came up with a number like 25 MPG. I guess I ruined their dream of what mileage they were getting ;)

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • rickpoolerickpoole Posts: 27

    After test driving the 2014 Accord Hybrid 4 times and never getting over 40 MPG (driving very conservatively) I started looking for real world data and stumbled into fuelly.com where people post real fill up data. The current average is a little over 39 MPG so it appears my results were realistic. So, I ended up getting another Camry since I could get a fully loaded Camry XLE hybrid for $6000 less than the Accord Hybrid Touring (including financing) and the local Honda dealers would not deal the least little bit. After 1-1/2 months I'm averaging about 42 MPG (almost all city driving) and my wife is averaging a little over 40 MPG in her 2013 Camry XLE hybrid.

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