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Land Rover Discovery and Discovery II

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  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I'm glad to help. Before I figured it out, when I was driving and I flipped my headlights on I'd get a POP from the stereo, my gauges would briefly drop to zero, and my dash indicator lights would all come on for a moment. I also had all kinds of charging/discharging issues. If this sounds familiar, give it a try!

    For what it's worth my mechanics here had never heard of it either. But it makes sense... the ECUs all rely on "clean" power just like your home PC and to feed them "noisy" power from poor electrical connections can only cause problems. That fuse block happens to be where the power is distributed to the various subsystems.

    Good luck, -Bob
  • buroskyburosky Posts: 90
    I have a 2001 Disco II that I got in April 2001 with 5K miles on it. It's been trouble free for the last two years. It only has 20,500 miles on it but on my most recent trip to the dealer I had the 22,500 mi service done. At pick up, the dealer suggested to have the brake pads in front and the pads and rotors replaced on the rear. About 2-3 months before I had the brakes checked and they reported it at around 70%. The dealer says that they typically make the recommendation they gave me when the pads are down to around 30%. All it's been on is paved roads and my wife and I don't drive it like a sports car. I am not at all mechanically inclined (sometimes I wish I was). Is the dealer just trying to pull a fast one me? The replacement will set me back around $960 if I have the dealer do it. An independent shop gave me an estimate of $750 (and they use original LR parts). The $750 includes 4 hrs of labor at $100/hr. It sure sounds like a long time considering that Nanuq says it only takes him minutes to change pads. I would welcome any comment. If anyone can recommend a shop around the San Leandro, CA area, I would also appreciate it.
  • petej2petej2 Posts: 13
    Im looking at a 03 discovery, do you think that ace is necesarry with the new suspension changes? If so have they worked out all the gremlins?
  • mrwhipplemrwhipple Posts: 378
    I don't think you'll need the ACE on the '03. They tweaked the suspension a bit and it handles amazingly well without it.

    The '03 also has a slightly smoother ride and better braking.
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I'd have someone measure the minimum rotor thickness and see if it's below spec, calling for replacement. I SERIOUSLY doubt it is... perhaps there are simply some grooves in the surface and they want to make some fast money? If the pads are at 30% I suspect the latter.

    I buy Lockheed or Wagner pads for about $48 an axle. Jacking up one side of the truck and removing both wheels, I can honestly replace the pads on a wheel in about 15 minutes. Bleeding takes a little longer... and I am WAY generous with the bleeding to get plenty of fresh fluid down the lines and into the slave cylinders.

    To remove/replace the rotors is not a big job and I can't imagine it taking 4 hours labor.

    I don't know if it's skookum but I have circular (not radial) gouges in my rotors from stones getting into the pads and such. I just drive the darn thing and the gouges get polished. If they were horrendously deep gouges I could see that weakening the rotors and demanding replacement. But mine are visible, not deep, and nicely polished with zero problems.

    Take a look at your rotors... any blueing? Any bad gouges that will catch a fingernail? Are the pads completely shot and ruining the rotors? If so, you might have to replace the rotors. If not, put on new pads and drive it.

    Just my $.02 of course.
  • Read this:

    http://www.forbes.com/2002/07/29/0729feat_3.html

    Personally, I would pass on the ACE.
  • denver8denver8 Posts: 42
    I just had all 4 rotors and pads changed yesterday at my local Land Rover Dealer. I usually go to an independant shop for all my work but I wanted to give the dealer another chance, plus a Land Rover club I belong to gets a discount on parts at this dealership. It was about 6 hours of labor at $95/hour. So for Burosky with only the rear rotors and all 4 pads 4 hours may not be to far off. I am surprised that you would need rotors at 22,500 miles. My vehicle has 121,000 miles and the rotors were pretty rough and below spec(according to the dealer)for minimum thickness. But at 121,000 miles I would expect it.
  • buroskyburosky Posts: 90
    Thanks for your response. Even if I'm not mechanically inclined at all it did seem odd that the rotors need replacement this early specially after visual inspection doesn't show any obvious signs that it needs to be replaced. I didn't see any blueing nor any scratches. I guess I'll just have the pads replaced. Thanks once again.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297

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  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    Steve, what a hoot! And Prudhoe was a balmy -29? We had -5F in town last night and sustained 80mph winds at the airport... so they shut it down and diverted all flights to Fairbanks.

    Gee, I wonder what THAT wind chill was? The worst I ever saw was at Prudhoe one February. The ambient temp was -74F and the wind was sustained at 40mph+ We were off the charts for windchill but estimated it at about -132F.

    That was a nice article about the drive! Thanks.
  • efinkensefinkens Posts: 5
    I have a '99 DII. There is a dead spot in the steering. Its just left of center when I turn the wheel and I feel like is loose touch with the wheels for an instant. The loss of feel of very disconcerting but the wheels are, in fact, turning fine. Any thoughts?
  • mrtoad3mrtoad3 Posts: 68
    Efinkens, I also have noticed this dead spot on my '01 DII but only after a mild collision with the front left end. Body damage was corrected and alignment was redone but the dead spot remains. I wish I knew what it was as well. It is disconcerting when turning. Maybe a bent steering rod?
  • efinkensefinkens Posts: 5
    I'm just taking it easy until I can get someone to look at it. I live in the mid atlantic and the recent snows have all the garages backed up two weeks...
  • rkoeslerrkoesler Posts: 62
    I have 34000 miles on my 00 DII and the dealer replaced all pads and rotors for free at 30,000 due to "excessive brake noise" which I did not have. Apparently some owners had complained, and so LR decided to replace the brakes for anyone who complained. I'm "in good" with my service manager, so he told me that my "brakes really do make noise even though I don't hear any" - he said that would save me $1200. My original pads/rotors were only 30% worn, and would have gone a good 60,000 miles.
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    Thanks for the information! A lot of people have asked about this one. This says a lot about Rover that they'll replace these expensive parts for free simply because a few owners complained.

    If possible, see if they'll let you keep the old rotors. In 100k miles you'll be glad you have them!
  • bcb1bcb1 Posts: 149
    Bob,

    I read your post re: owning a used Discovery. It seems like you have had very good luck with yours. I've heard (mostly from driving reports on Car&Driver, Edmunds, etc) that the Discovery II is a little better as a daily driver, on the road.

    What model year Discovery do you currently own?
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    You're sure welcome... I'm happy to give away anything I know about these beasts!

    I own a silver '96 and I call her Anuqa... that means "Wind" in the Yup'iq language.

    My DI started life as the biggest pain in the rear that I'd ever owned. I was torn between loving her, and hating the very air she breathed. But I was told that once you take a Rover "over the hump" it's worth it. So I persevered and now I'm sure glad I did. She's an amazing truck in every way. I expect a lot from her, and she has never let me down in 3 hard years.

    I agree the DII is a better truck onroad. The various systems enhance cornering and such, and the extra room in back is a plus. Add a bit more horsepower and you've got a winning combination!

    But for the things I do with Anuqa, she's perfect. She has the short overhangs for fewer things to drag offroad, and she has plenty of power to worry me about breaking a half-shaft when I'm in a tricky spot. On the highway I drive her like a Lady of a Certain Age, so she has plenty of power there too.

    And I LOVE pulling Jeep Grand Cherokees out of snowbanks. *wink*

    Best regards, -Bob
  • tpcyjungtpcyjung Posts: 4
    Hello, I purchased my'03 Disco SE last November. It is really a great truck except one thing- moldy odor from vent. I thought it would be disappeared as time goes. But it keeps making me sick. I have 5000 miles on my SE. I am in Los Angeles. Odor is severer in economy mode than air conditioning is on. Any advice would be appreciated.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,297
    Check out this post for starters:

    wwest "Mazda Tribute/ Ford Escape problems" Aug 8, 2002 12:55pm

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  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    I read once that you can spray mold and mildew killer into the air intake while the heater is drawing air. That will suck the chemical inside the evaporation chamber and kill the little buggers where they live.

    I suggest opening the hood and doing this with the engine off. Turn the key on until the air blowers operate, then put them on some medium setting. Get some kind of mildew killing spray (your guess is as good as mine) and spray into the air intake at the base of the windshield, beneath the wipers. You'll want to try just a little. Step inside the truck and you'll smell it coming from the vents. Then turn the control to aim the air up thru the defrosters and down thru the foot heaters. Let it spread through the entire system and then try it again. Then shut her down and let it soak in overnight.

    Note, I have no idea if this will affect the plastics or paint of your truck so BE CAERFUL. I have heard this works but I have no personal experience doing it... I rarely use my air conditioner here in Alaska! ;)

    Another thing to consider, when you're about a mile from your destination, put the heater on and let it cook your air system dry before you shut the truck off. It works for me!

    I hope this helps, -Bob
  • tpcyjungtpcyjung Posts: 4
    Thank you for your information and help.

    I feel much better because now I know both the reason and solusion.
  • peweepewee Posts: 6
    After following this Disco discussion group for several months, test driving a number of vehicles, and doing much research on the internet, we purchased a 2003 Disco SE from LR Denver East in January. Thought I'd give back to the group what you have given to me by relating my initial experiences.

    Took her off road up in the foothills west of Denver on Day 2. Ran through the mud, snow and much up along dirt roads on the South Platte with no problems. Then proceeded to put 500 miles on her driving around town. Got no snow to test the four wheel drive systems.

    Headed for Florida at end of February. Terrible weather forecasts in Dallas and other parts of the South caused us to choose the Disco over our station wagon, despite the fact that the Disco gets about half the sw gas mileage.

    1,987 miles and three days later, we arrived in Florida. Drove through Dallas the day after the ic e storms. Mileage ran about 14.7 mpg, with about 50/50 superslab and back byways. Did not need the a/c on the trip down. It is all downhill to Florida from Denver. Amazingly, after three days in the Disco we were not tired, not cramped, and not mad at each other. That included an 870 mile run on the last day because there were no motels available anywhere in Northern Florida.

    The Disco runs straight and true on the highway. The seats are very comfortable, although I occasionally wished that we had opted for the HSE, with its 8 way adjustable passenger seat. Every single feature of the Disco operated flawlessly.

    We did occasionally use the a/c in Florida. Darn hot and humid there, compared to Denver. Dual sun roofs are great when it is not quite hot enough for a/c.

    Trip home also three days, and 1,998 miles via a somewhat different route, again about 50/50 super highways and back roads. Mileage started to improve at the end of the first day on the way home. By the time we arrived home the average per tank was high 15 to low 16 mpg. Don't know why, as it is all uphill.

    The Disco again performed flawlessly. Nothing failed to work. Great radio when there are stations anywhere in range. We even were able to pick up the Kentucky and Louisville conference games, even though we were nowhere near Kentucky on the trip.

    Day after we arrived home the Mother of All Storms hit Denver. We finally got a chance to test the four wheel drive. The large snow plow stuck in the median in our development declined my offer to tow him out, but I have no doubt that we could have done it (sic!).

    We finally gave up on Wednesday when the snow in the driveway was 27 inches deep. After all, this is a brand new truck,and I did not want to bruise it.

    I don't know how we could have asked anything more of the Disco in the mountains, on our trip, and in the snow. We did not buy it for long trips, and I would normally take the station wagon because it gets 30 mpg on long trips. At the same time, we would not hesitate to take it on our next long trip, which is to New Jersey in June.

    The point is that, were it not for the positive comments of many of you regular contributors to this discussion group, I would never have had the "nerve" to buy such a unique vehicle. I would have been stuck with one of the more mundane SUVs out there. Thanks to all for giving me the courage to buy the machine I really wanted to buy all along.

    Pewee
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    Thanks for the story! It sounds like the Disco made your trip very enjoyable.

    For what it's worth, I have plowed snow with my headlights in Anuqa, with waves of snow coming over the hood like water breaking over the snout of a submarine. In those conditions the only time I bury her is when I gave up and let my momentum drop. Then I have to climb out the back hatch... the driver's door won't open. 27" shouldn't have slowed you down much at all.

    Congratulations! Keep the stories coming!

    We're getting snow tonight, it fell all day and all last night... and all this week, they're saying. If we get a good dump I'll take some pictures of Anuqa plowing.
  • r178r178 Posts: 10
    Has anyone seen the 2 Door Rover. In case you have not seen it I have provided a link for you.
    Enjoy!!
    http://www.landyonline.co.za/specs/range_rover_2001.htm
    R178
  • denver8denver8 Posts: 42
    We had 25 inches in the backyard as of Wednesday afternoon. Boulder did not get as much snow as south Denver and of course the mountains. I volunteered with the Red Cross on Wednesday as they needed help delivering people to work. Plus the police were supposedly ticketing people that didn't have to be on the road. This was my way of being able to get out and drive around plus earn some chits for good behavior. Picked up 3 people and took them to work at a nursing home and then drove a volunteer to his house in Longmont after he helped staff the shelter at the Nederland High School. That guy is the real good guy, 24 hours sleeping on the floor of a library just to help strangers. Anyway the fun part was driving these guys out of their neighborhoods while the neighbors leaned slack jawed on their snowshovels. Overall a fun day, did lose three trees to the snow though. Could be worse, my wife's co-worker lost part of his roof. Now that I am off topic, back to Disco's..
  • tjphototjphoto Posts: 3
    We leased our Discovery in 1998. When it came time to renew the lease or turn it in I was working non-stop and I just renewed the lease. Very expensive decision but my family wouldn't hear of letting "their" car go,
    This is the best vehicle I have ever owned. The Discovery has 70,000 miles and we have had no problems with the car and I mean no problems, zero, zip.
    We have a very steep winding driveway and we are the only people in our neigborhood who don't really have to have our driveway plowed. Nothing stops this SUV.
    My wife and daughter are now both going to school and the commute is costing me a fortune so we have decided to say goodbye to LandRover. The high cost of gasoline is killing us so we have been pricing Honda CR-Vs and someone to plow next year.
    I'm writing this because I want people considering buying a Discovery to know how brilliant this SUV is for anyone who has to drive in adverse weather like we have here.
    There is a lot of bad blood about SUVs and I understand that if you live in the flatlands but some people really need what the Discovery can deliver.
    Best,
    TJ
  • suvinlasuvinla Posts: 24
    Hi all. I'd like to consider buying a mid-1990s Discovery. What years do you recommend, or recommend staying away from?

    (Also, if I'm looking for a top-of-the-line older Discovery, what would the top-of-the-line model be called?)

    I know the gas mileage isn't so good. But what has worried me most are claims that they're mechanically unreliable and that parts are very expensive. Would appreciate a real-world view from past owners.

    I understand occasional repairs being needed, but don't want to wade into a quagmire.

    Thanks. (Also, by the way, how rare are black non-cloth interiors? I seem to see a lot of *beige*)

    -SUVinLA
  • enginoneenginone Posts: 20
    TJ,

    I understand your concern about fuel economy, but offer the following points to consider if you haven't already parted with your Disco:

    1. I own a 2000 CR-V, and they get about 20 mpg. I estimate you'll save about $500/year in fuel if your Disco gets about 15 mpg. Not insignificant, but you'll likely pay close to that for a season of plowing.
    2. The CR-V is a soul-less appliance, and components are very light duty. There is nothing on it that compares to the heavy duty components in a Disco. It gets my wife around town, but I don't feel as safe in it out on the highway.
    3. You've been very satisfied with the Disco to this point and it's a known quantity. Does your lease have a buyout option that would be cost effective?

    Anything you buy new will have a higher overall cost than what you're presently driving if you consider all the expenses involved. LR is offering leases on 2003's starting at $399/mo if that fits your budget. A CR-V will run about $10K less than a Disco, but you will get exactly what you pay for. I had looked at the 2000 Disco's before we bought the CR-V. I loved it, but it wasn't primarily for me. Since my wife prefered the size of the CR-V for around town, we opted for that over the Disco. At the time it seemed the right thing to do, but it has been a disappointment mostly in terms of "substance," since the car it replaced was an 82 Volvo 240 that was built like a tank, and got ~23 mpg.

    My present driver is an 85 MBZ diesel station wagon. My desire is to get into a Disco or Defender in the next 2-3 years. I've been following this forum for about a year, and am grateful for the postings of enthusiasts as well as those who may have been disappointed with their Rover experience.

    Best wishes in your decision.

    Mike
  • nanuqnanuq Posts: 765
    My relatives have bought several vehicles in the time since I bought my '96 Disco. These include: 2 Explorers, 1 Durango, 3 JGCs, 1 Escape, a Chrysler AWD minivan and a Chevy Astro AWD minivan. Each of them wanted something durable but didn't want to spend as much as the Disco cost.

    This list of vehicles involves 4 people.

    One has had an Explorer, a JGC and now a Durango in 5 years. While my truck is now paid for, she has 6 years of payments remaining.

    Another has had an Explorer, a JGC and now has an Escape. 6 years of payments remain.

    The only vehicle of this list that was bought when I bought my Disco is the Chrysler minivan, which is now on its 3rd transmission (80k miles).

    Sometimes you have to spend money to save money... this is a perfect example.

    Another thing to consider, my family is the most precious thing in the world and driving is arguably the most dangerous thing they will ever attempt. If I could wrap them in a 20' ball of protection every time they ventured out, I would. But I can't, so I put them in the toughest vehicle I can find.

    Take a look here... there are some very good reasons to keep your Disco!

    http://www.landroverclub.net//Club/HTML/Main_Wrecks.htm

    Regards, -Bob
  • tjphototjphoto Posts: 3
    I really thought the CR-V got quite a bit more miles per gallon then that. My wife and daughter love this car but we are so tired of asking each other "did you fill up before you got home?" BMW wants another $15000 if I decide to buy the Disco. Since I foolishly renewed the lease I will end up paying much more then I should pay for this car. My thoughts were buy a smaller vehicle and I've read nothing but good about the CR-V and cut back on the fuel consumption. Since our problem is fuel consumption and the increased amount of driving if you are right and the CR-V doesn't make that much difference then I am back to square one.
    Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts will be appreciated. The turn in date is looming and I am totally confused.
    Thanks,
    TJ
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