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Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring
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I went shopping at Safeway in August and the grocery bill was $42. When I went to Albertson's in November, I spent $215.
and your point is? How does the extra expense at Albertsons relate to the Mazda6 vs Acura debate?
Seems to me that service costs provide a good comparison of two cars. Its also the part that most consumers foolishly don't compare or even think about. I have seen dozens of people buy cars they can barely afford only to find out that service / maintance costs are way above their budget...
How are we supposed to know which one costs more if you don't tell us what was included in the services?
Anywho, I am partners in a 1982 Piper Warrior II PA-28-161.
Look at the Mazda3 and BMW 3 series. There are close similarities.
Yes, the RX-8 is no doubt a sports car. Not splitting hairs with you.
I think you can throw in the MS6 in the handling group as well. It handles just as well as a 3 Series with X drive.
For a few years now, Mazda has been referred to as the Japanese BMW. This not referring to lux features, or price though.
Appearance is subjective. I think there are some design similarities in some of their vehicles (not all), as do many. I hear customers say it on a daily.
Audi is almost a G every time you bring one in as well.
I guess if you can afford the car, you can afford the maintenance.
My Mazda6 costs almost nothing to service. Besides the fact that I get my dealer discount, however, if I paid full price, it would still be no strain. Oil changes/ tire rotations.. not much more then that.
Most dealerships have a piece of paper at the service counter that lists the services they perform at each interval, and the price they charge for the service.
These services can vary wildly, not just from brand to brand, but also from dealership to dealership.
Also consider how some companies reduce the cost of service to attract customers - by marketing "100,000 mile tune-up" intervals, "lifetime transmission fluid," and 15,000 mile oil change intervals.
The manufacturer may say it's OK, but I regluarly change the fluid in my engine, transmission, differential, brakes (lines and master cylinder).
Is Mazda service cheaper because they are performing less work, or maybe you are paying for frivolous services you should have declined at Acura? The hourly rate charged by dealerships is pretty standard, so it's probably one or the other.
So what's the answer in your situation?
It's amazing the extra cost to work on it with an "A" on the grill.
Post #64 - "they all get 30K, 60K, 90K, etc.. services that are similar....so why are the service bills so much higher for similar work??"
Post #66 - "Acura buyers pay more for similar work. The hourly rate is higher and prices are higher."
Three posts that say the same thing - nothing. Without numbers/figures, you're just blowing hot air.
FWIW, I just called four local Acura and Mazda dealerships (2 Acura and 2 Mazda) and the price for an oil/filter service varied by no more than $4 (between $35.99 to $39.99).
All I did was point out that our Acura buyers are paying significantly more (more than $500) per repair order than Mazda customers...read into it what you want and spin it anyway you want...
pat...as low as $14.95 for maz, 39.95+ for Acura. When I was with Porsche we charged $299 for an oil change. Of course we flat bedded an Audi A6 to your house and picked up your Porsche. delivered it back later in the day with mobil one, a total detail and a full tank of gas..
You're the one spinning it. I'm asking you to stop the turntable so we can read the label.
I guess I'm the only one who is curious about a $980 Acura service that only costs $280 at Mazda. Nobody else here is even a little curious to know why there is such a large discrepancy (especially when the originator of the tidbit refuses to break down the costs after several requests)?
Oh well, I guess if someone pays an Acura dealer $1,000 to flush coolant, check brakes, rotate tires, and inspect belts and hoses, then all it proves is that their local dealer is a crook, and they are an idiot.
What is the price and services included in a 30,000 mile service for each?
Less informed consumer = more profit! :shades:
Both are a ton of fun. I prefer the Mazdaspeed6 over the Mazdaspeed3 b/c of the AWD and interior fit and finish.
2006 models have $4750 customer cash, 2007's have $1000 customer cash. Mazda is also advertising a 299/mo 27 month lease with $2299 down (includes 1st months payment).
Invoice on an '07 Sport is $26,500. $500 over invoice minus $1000 rebate equals $26,000. That's a lot of car for the money. If you can find a left over '06, you're looking at closer to $23,000!
Well, I could say what I don't think, but then I'd be lying.
Seriously though, with one exception, I've NEVER paid more than 2% over invoice for a new car. Why start now?
$500 over doesnt = $500 profit. That only applies if there are zero expenses. In a real world dealership $500 in net profit actually requires apx $1800 in gross profit.
If you can negotiate a 2% over invoice deal, more power to ya.
I usually tell them about the Mazda3 and why I think it's a great buy and such and such, and I usually end it with, "it kind of looks like a
BMW." Or who knows? Maybe it's because of the
red dash instrumentation.
Mazda Awarded First Place in Auto Bild Magazine’s “Quality Report” for the Third Year Running
HIROSHIMA, Japan— Auto Bild, Germany’s largest car magazine, has ranked Mazda in first place in its highly respected “Quality Report” for 2007, which was published on June 8. This was the third straight year that Mazda has been awarded first place in this annual report.
The build quality is identical. I can attest to it since I owned both a made-in-japan Mazda Protege and Michigan built MAzda6, both over 4 years / 65000 miles.
I can attest to this as I own a Hiroshima built Protege and a Flat Rock built Mazda6. :surprise:
While they are both silver, the resemblance ends there. The Protege has better build quality.
We do not share the same anecdotal experience chikoo.
It is absolutely false to state that most of the parts for the U.S. built Mazda6 come from Japan.
The Mazda6 built in US has greater than 75% domestic content. It qualifies as a domestic due to it's high content of US parts.
Would you count the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord or Subaru Legacy as domestic since they are all built here?
I found a 2007 Mazda6 S sport (automatic, leather, heated seats, sunroof, no spoiler and no fancy headlights) with 250 miles (yes 2-5-0; pre owned) for $20,400.
The other option in the same price range is a 2004 TSX with 43k miles, manual tran, no navi, for $18900. I love manual transmissions.
I know the TSX is a "nicer" car but then again I'd have to drive the Mazda for 3 years until I reached that same mileage number. Plus I get a new car warranty left on the 6.
Guys help me out, I need a car! Thanks fellas.
Anyway, let's just forget about the transmissions for a while; all other things being equal which would you go with?
I drive the TSX later tonight; only drove one thus far vs. about 4 or 5 flavors of the Mazda6. Maybe one more spin in the TSX will help me decide either way.
Well, I can't give you an answer to that without being unbiased, since I'm a VERY happy owner of a '04 Mazda6S with a V6 and manual. With over 54K miles, the only issue has been a faulty gas cap that tripped a Check Engine Light, replaced under warranty. I still smile when I walk out to my car every morning, and I plan to well after the car hits 100K miles.
I did test-drive the TSX a few times, and it was a very nice car, especially with the 6-speed. I couldn't swallow the $26.5K price for a 4-cylinder though, compared to a V6 that I got for $4K+ less than that.
My opinion? Don't settle for the automatic if a manual is essential for you (as it was for me). BTW, a 4-cylinder Mazda6i can be had with a manual for the same price as the used 6 (or even less), brand new...