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Might I suggest going to an independent, not another Honda dealership, for the second opinion? I sometimes stop people in my vehicle and discuss my baby, just to see if we have similar experiences. You may ask another Honda owner if they know a small shop that you can take your vehicle to.
When mine went out (twice) I was told it was the Honda parts for the AC that were defective. So the dealership may choose to work with you. OR not.
Does this link help you?
http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4828360_troubleshooting-honda-civic-ac.html
Alana
Also, that works out to $2.66 for every hour that you used the air conditioner. You can cool an entire house full time for less than that. (10 kW @ $0.10/kWh)
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What? You went 61000 miles and only used the defroster 30 times? In Ohio? The A/C compressor comes on when defrost is turned on...
The A/C is not a safety issue, so I doubt there would be much interest by the press or Government. I'm sorry yours blew out, but Honda met the obligations in their warranty agreement.
I used to live in Miami - man, you need your A/C in the summer!
I don't see how they could have built the defroster separate - it would require a compressor to dry out the air, and no one would put two compressors in a car... Not that I disagree with everyone here - Honda should have done a design fix and a recall.
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You can check state laws, but generally lemon law cases have to be filed within the first year of ownership. Good luck.
And don't forget your local consumer protection agency or the BBB either.
At 61K miles or 81K miles, and with the factory warranty expired for years, I would not have high expectations of any court case outcome.
Data is being collected for a class action suit at: www.honda-lawsuit.com
Good Luck all - almost traded this 04 in on an 08 yesterday. Not considering that option anymore after reading the posts on the 08.
Probably not. But an implied warranty of fitness claim might outlast the factory warranty. ACs shouldn't die at 60k.
I think your chances in small claims are about as good as spending years on a class action and then getting a coupon.
So if your car is 5 years old and have 70,000 miles, and had the compressor last changed at 3 years and 40,000 miles, if it failed again, you woudl be able ot get it repalced under warranty.
I know BMW motorcycles work this way. They have had issues with the shaft final drive units and transmission seals.
My guess is that the replacement part is good for the original term of the warranty or the 12/12, whichever is longer.
Someone in here has probably had experience with this very issue - speak up.
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I am really concerned that Honda has no recall policy on this issue given the number of people with similar issues and a class action law suit being done by http://www.honda-lawsuit.com/ about same issue.
I guess my resolution will determine if I or anyone else in my family will ever own a Honda again.
Pissed off Honda owner!!
Well, if not a recall, at least a TSB and some relief for those loyal customers who had the problem come up. Not to mention finding a valid solution so that people were not forced to see the problem come up again ... and again ... and (sometimes) again.
Reminds me of a time (MANY moons ago), when I was driving up the Florida Turnpike and saw one of the first Acura sedans. It had a big sign in the rear window saying "Ask me about my new Acura, and how it always smells like rotten eggs!".
I guess those first models didn't heat up the catalytic converter enough to fully burn out the gasses.
But seriously, I think the best bet is to vote with your pocketbook - and to tell your friends what happened. Posting a sign for a model no longer in production is not going to do much - except maybe make you feel better. They fixed the problem about three years ago - but never provided a solution for the Gen 2 models.
At least we can be thankful that they no longer CATCH FIRE at intervals - which was a problem with 2004-2005 models.
Did you get any answers? I'm not sure where to go to learn about this.
The only way it is a safety recall is if you were driving in heavy rain/snow/icy conditions and all the windows fogged up and had a serious accident because your vision was impaired. BTW, the A/C system also work as a defroster. :lemon:
The OEM A/C compressor (Keihin A150L) is discontinued. The replacement is Seltec compressor according to http://www.statracing.com/replacement/accompressor.asp
Hopefully this one will last longer.
If there were one particular A/C element which causes this problem, it might be worth the cost to have that part replaced immediately.
I'm reminded of an old Ford Escort I owned. The drive chain was due to be replaced at 100,000. I went 101,000, and wrecked the engine. That was my fault.
Unfortunately, with this Honda CR-V A/C problem, Honda doesn't even warn us.
http://www.honda-lawsuit.com/index.cfm
Keihin will eventually failed according to other people postings. Keihin has discontinued manufacturing the compressor. It seems Seltec is another choice.
I just found this:
http://aircondition.com/wwwboard/2003Q1/93910.html
Subject: Re: Keihin compressor exploded
Date: August 01, 2003 at 08:50:51
Posted by: M. Mack on via: or 66.45.77.157
In Reply to: The message posted by David on July 30, 2003 at 18:49:08:
If you can find two different oils in your sample, you may be able to show that one of them was not compatible with R-134A or that one oil was not compatible with the other.
When the compressor failed, you lost an undetermined amount of oil that was mixed with refrigerant,therefore it is not realistic to prove how much oil was in the system before.
Although I have never seen any published data of explosive limits, it is a fact that certain mixtures of R-134A & air have been known to explode. That is why technicians are warned not to leak test R-134A systems with air.
My bet is either: 1) You had some air in your system due to the system being open to atmosphere (hard to prove though) and conditions were right for explosion, or 2) The system lost some refrigerant during the past year, sucked air, and conditions were right for explosion.
And this :
http://ww2.justanswer.com/uploads/jonathan789/2008-06-12_170645_wipers.pdf
This bulletin clearly mentioned late 80's early 90's Keihin Hondas have A/C compressor issues.
It's not like Honda makes these compressors. there's fundamentally nothing different than the A/C systme on any other car. Only that Honda's suppleir made a bad part, and the repair isn't being performed correctly... in that the contamination is left behind and kills the new compressor even if it's a good design.
IMO, the original MFG should be responsible to pick up at least part of the cost of the repair, Honda another part of the costs and only a small part by the customer.
Put it this way... if Honda had a defective part in the egnine that caused the engine to fail. Would you expect them to just replace the bad part? Heck no, they'd have ot give you a new or rebuilt engine.
The matter is complicated because hte initial failure typically occur just outside the warranty period.
This is the response I got from the Honda Lawsuit when I contacted them but since Honda didn't replace it I didn't think of keeping the compressor.
Thank you for contacting us about the issues with your Honda. Unfortunately, it appears that many Honda's have had the same problem that you are experiencing. Apparently, Honda typically covers the cost of repair while the vehicle is under warranty, but will not once the warranty has expired. However, some owners have received "goodwill" contributions from Honda. Regardless, you should call American Honda’s customer service department at 1-800-999-1009 and open a claim.
Additionally, if your vehicle is in the process of being repaired, you should ask to keep your compressor.
In order for us to determine your eligibility to be part of this potential class action brought on behalf of Honda owners, please send, e-mail or fax me a copy of the service records related to this issue. Upon review of your documentation we will contact you to discuss your situation further.