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Land Rover Discovery and Discovery II

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  • expert1expert1 Posts: 133
    I just got done talking to my local Rover parts man and since he has been at the dealership (2 years)he has had NO Disco I parts that will exchange with the Disco II. This might mean that also any neative discussion that has been present in this forum is out dated and meaningless. He stated that the new design also has eliminated almost all the problems with the earlier models. My fit and finish are prefect. Changed my first oil, 6 quarts and a Fram PH 16 oil filter. Air filters are also plentiful and cheap. BMW changed 85% of the vehicle and for what I can see, all for the better.(except mileage, 12mpg around town, beats a Burb though). Too bad they couldn't retain the company. Next year we will probably see a 4.0 V6 (still lousy gas mileage)with a bothersome Explorer transmission in our beloved Rovers. Ford assured the industry that they won't fool with the Range Rover, but look what they did to Jaguar.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Yeah, all they did was up their quality level until they are one of the leaders. They revitalised a marque that would be dead by now. I worked for Land Rover under the BMW regime, Ford is a huge improvement. They have been focusing on updating a very outdated production facility and training of the factory personnel. For the frist time in Land Rover's history, we have our own president and corporate officers that are concerned only about Land Rover, not all the products of the Rover Group. The Discoverys coming off the assembly line today have the highest build quality of any Discovery.
  • Hi - Just bought a '99 Disco SALJY1242XA795407 which came off lease - a Series I. When did LR change over to Series II in '99? Or were both available all year? I am confused. Also, does anyone know how to program/use the garage door opener? I am still searching for an owner's manual. Thanks!
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    There were 5470 series 1 Discoverys sold in 99. These were carryover vehicles to fill in until Discovery II reached full production. These were sold in late 98 and early 99 alongside the Discovery II. They sold for $3,100 less than a comparably equipped Discovery II. You can get a paper owners manual (P/N LRNA1999DSCWGP) from any Land Rover retailer. Suggested retail on that is $25.00
  • Thanks for the very helpful info.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Glad I could help. :)
  • expert1expert1 Posts: 133
    While changing my oil Saturday I had the chance to creep under the whole truck. (try to do that with a Durango, Expedition or Montero). I read a post of a hissing sound coming from the exhaust manifolds and the proposed fix of tightening the manifold bolts. All three bolts on each side of the manifold is within easy access and reach. Although I can't see how anything can come loose now with the Disco IIs. I have been shopping at our local wrecker for some accessories for my truck (hitch for example), every bolt on the truck has been permatexed and almost needed a breaker bar to loosen. If all the grunting and groaning that I saw was real I can't see how anything can loosen up on this vehicle. I undercarriage was a real marvel. And they talk about Ford tough!!
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    A robust frame assembly has been a hallmark of Land Rover since the earliest days. In fact Ford has adopted a full box section frame on the 2002 Explorer. One thing to remember is that technology and best practices can go both ways. It was Land Rover that pioneered Hill Descent Control, not BMW, but they integrated that into the X-5.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Heard today about 2002 Discovery, no major changes, no 4.6 engine. Just some wheel and package changes.
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    M family is looking for a suv my wife loved the look of the disco so it was one of the first we went to test drive. Ater the dealer took us on the test track which was amazing and my kids loved we were handed the keyes and off we went. I seemed no matter how slow we took a turn the kids in back would fly out of there seats is this normal in disco???
  • buroskyburosky Posts: 90
    How old are the kids and how slow is slow? I have an 11 year old daughter and a son who is 5. Both sit in the back and neither would fly out of their seats when I turn. Of course I make sure both wear seat belts.

    Your question doesn't seem normal to me. I bet most people here would agree.
  • expert1expert1 Posts: 133
    How fast are you going man? I also have had passengers in the back of my Disco and none have complained about "flying" out of their seats. Their comment is only that now they can see were they are going, which lessens the car sickness incidence. (although the tall passengers now compain about looking at the visors instead of the back of my seats) I have taken some pretty serious corners with mine and the truck stays flat and glued to the corner. With its weight and big fat tires it hugs the road and still is quite nimble.
  • Tincup, do you have any details on the wheel and package changes? Are the wheels on my 2001 SE ACE going to be outdated?
  • shaker58shaker58 Posts: 120
    my kids are 4 and 5 we also took a test drive in other suv's and didnt have this problem and also that you brought it up I felt car sick after sitting in back with them.I thought it was maybe the test track that gave me the car sickness
  • agh15agh15 Posts: 90
    will their be at least some new feature or color
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Outdated? No, they are the same wheels on current Range Rover. Made 7 seat pkge available without SLS, and included SLS in ACE suspension package.
  • Can anyone tell me how to determine the official color of a Discovery? I am looking around and saw one with a sticker that read Rioja indicating the color. Others don't have this - where is the color code? When looking online(and long distance), many wholesalers don't know British Racing Green from Epsom. This is important to the wife because she prefers Epsom!
    Thanks :)
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    If it is a 94-99 Discovery Series 1, there should be a paint code sticker under the Hood on the Radiator support. On the 99-01 Discovery Series II there is no paint code ID on the car. If you get a VIN # I can run down the color of any you are looking at.
  • Thanks tincup!
  • donelonpcdonelonpc Posts: 8
    Well, I just rolled 20,000 miles on my 2000 Disco II that I bought new in April 2000. No problems except a few rattles, a broken arm rest in the back seat, and a loose trailor hitch. All were fixed immediately by the dealer. I have traveled off road, pulled trailors, and taken long hunting trips. It has met all my expectations and even more. I'll admit, I was concerned about reliability. But, this thing is bullet proof. I usually get a new car about every year or so. But, this one will stay. I can't imagine getting any other SUV, except a Range Rover. Maybe next time.

    Hey Tincup. Could you check my build date please. You're probably tired of people asking. VIN #SALTY1247YA253648.

    I agree with the Ford Comments. Range Rover will only get better. Areas I would like to see some improvement on the Discos:

    1. More power and better fuel econcomy. It can be done.

    2. Better feel in the brakes. They may work well, but they feel like mush. The Germans must have crapped in their pants when they hit the brakes.

    3. A little better feel with the road. Again, I wish I would have gotten the ACE package. But, $3000 is $3000.

    4. I like the goofy ergonomics on the inside. Character.

    5. A little more room for egress into the back seat would be nice, but that would require a whole redo on the vehicle.

    6. CD in dash.

    Picky stuff. But it would be nice.
  • expert1expert1 Posts: 133
    Anyone have any other links to Disco parts other the the two: Atlantic British and Rover Parts out of Utah? Atlantic British seems a tad high with some parts more expensive than my dealers' price.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Glad you are enjoying your Discovery. It was built on 10/29/99. Glad to help.
  • Tincup47, Please, please assure me that they have no intention of putting a Ford Explorer transmission into the 2002 Land Rover Discovery I intend to purchase. Also, are we really going to have to wait until the vehicles are in the show room to get a look at the 2002 brochures?
    Thanks and Regards to all.

    02
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    The 2002 Discovery has the same ZF transmission that all the Discovery Series II's have had. There hasn't been time to do any major changes to any of our vehicles. I find it amazing how people think major changes to vehicles can happen so quickly. Ford has owned Land Rover for 13 months, and their sole focus has been in upgrading facilities and learning Land Rover's processes to best see how they can improve them and integrate them into Ford's processes. It takes years, not months, to incorporate major engineering changes. Ford already uses ZF manual transmissions in some of their trucks, so I see no change in ours forthcoming. Remember also, Ford did not buy Land Rover to change them into Fords, just as they haven't changed Aston Martin or Jaguars into Fords. There will be some parts sharing down the road, but these will constitute a minor percentage of vehicle parts.
    To answer your second question, for 2002 Discovery and Range Rover (current version) you probably will not see brochures until they become available in the showrooms. Most of the focus is on the Freelander at this time.
  • Here are online parts stores:

    http://www.roverconnection.com -great parts/accessories for most models.

    http://www.roversnorth.com -located in VT...online shopping and print catalog, good for older models and some newer models.

    http://www.magnecor.com -special on ignition wires for LRs -ships fast!

    Sites that have links to parts online:

    http://www.discoweb.com -variety

    http://www.roverunited.com -it's been a while... but it's in my favorites, so it must be good! :) hope this is helpful.
  • agh15agh15 Posts: 90
    Since the discovery has been redesigned their has been no new features. will their at least be one new feature on the 2002 model.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Later in the year, there will be an HSE model that will have a roof mounted dvd entertainment system for rear passengers, and a new in-dash radio/navigation unit. Other than that, no changes
  • expert1expert1 Posts: 133
    I think you are wrong on the Ford comments Tincup. From talking to some of the exotic car dealers Ford has turned the Jaguar into a $50,000 Ford Taurus. Also the head of the Explorer division at Ford traveled to Rover to see what Explorer parts can be incorporated into the Rover line. This included engines and transmissions. I know that we have been told "not to believe anything we read and half of what we see" so I hope I am wrong and you are right on the Rover comments.
  • buroskyburosky Posts: 90
    I am planning to install side boards on my DII. Has anyone tried installing side boards by themselves? Will I be better off having the dealer do the installation (approximately $100 to install) or is this something I can do (I'm not mechanically inclined at all but can follow instructions well)? The model I'm getting I think is the one where some trimming of the mud guard is involved (the one with the chevron pattern that Atlantic British is selling). Any tips for the do-it-yourselfer? Any feedback would be appreciated.
  • tincup47tincup47 Posts: 1,508
    Having spent over 20 years in the auto business, many in dealerships, I can say with certainty that the last people that know anything about origin of vehicle content are the people in the Front End of the building. They generally know features that sell cars, and that's it. Ask them luggage capacity, they'll know that, Ask them technical questions about engines or transmissions and it's a wild guess at best. I imagine most say that because the Lincoln LS has the same engine as the S-Type. That was a Jaguar designed engine, not Ford. The proper comparison is to say the LS is a $35,000 Jaguar, not vice-versa. I imagine that the later products will get a family engine (Most likely Jaguar). That will be a definite improvement over the 40 year old GM designed engine we use now.
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