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The heart of the matter is, a dealership does not buy lemons back, the manufacturer does. So you have absolutely no ground to stand on against the dealership. If you really want to pursue the lemon law, contact a lawyer, because you'll need one, and know that you will be suing Chrysler corporate, not a privately owned dealership.
however, before retaining a lawyer, I STRONGLY suggest you try having another dealership fix your car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
11/6/06: I spoke with the salesman today and these were his responses the following issues.
1) Heated seat not working in second row seat behind driver's seat.
RESPONSE: Call Service Dept. for an appointment and let them know this problem was like that before I took it home.
2) Second row seats do not tumble from 3rd row
RESPONSE: Try again and use the latch
3) Car veers to the right on any type of road; I think a re-alignment may be necesary because the tires look fine.
RESPONSE: Call Service Dept. for an appointment to check it out.
4) I want to use my iPod with the AUX input but getting the stereo set to AUX is almost impossible. It seems able to only switch to AUX sometimes if cables are plugged in to the RCA jacks; AUX mode works but only after repeatedly pressing the mode button and hopefully getting lucky (Owner's Manual p.224 & 225)
RESPONSE: Try using the 88.x FM station to get AUX input (He said this even though I told the salesman that I'm not using an FM transmitter)
1) Heated seat not working in second row seat behind driver's seat.
SERVICE DEPT: Reconnected loose harness wiring under seat and it's working now.
2) Second row seats do not tumble from 3rd row
MYSELF: I tried this myself on the second row seat behind the passenger front seat and it works fine though the issue was with the second row seat behind the driver. Could not test it because of an installed baby seat which is a pain to remove once in place.
3) Car veers to the right on any type of road; I think a re-alignment may be necessary because the tires look fine.
SERVICE DEPT: They checked and adjusted the tire pressure. The problem seems to have been fixed. I'll be sure over the next week or so.
4) I want to use my iPod with the AUX input but getting the stereo set to AUX is almost impossible. It seems able to only switch to AUX sometimes if cables are plugged in to the RCA jacks; AUX mode works but only after repeatedly pressing the mode button and hopefully getting lucky (Owner's Manual p.224 & 225)
SERVICE DEPT: They reset the radio and controls and it seems to work.
Final Thoughts: So far, so good.
Come the end of April 07, I'll be turning in my leased 04 Honda Odyssey and am 90% certain I'll be finding a used 05 Pacifica to purchase. (I'd be hard to decline an AWD Dodge Magnum if one were available and within my price range!)
I rented a Touring edition Pacifica back in May on business, and enjoyed driving it over a week.
Come April, my kids will be 3.5 and 1.5, so this will be the people moving vehicle in my household. The wife wants the bench seat in the 2nd row, so she can hop back there to sit in between and tend the kids while on long trips. I'd rather have the 3 rows of seating for when/if we have 6 people in the vehicle heading to football games. Is it difficult for a slender wife to hop back to the 3rd row of seats to tend to kids sitting in the 2nd row?
Also, is there really any MPG difference between the 210hp 3.8 engine vs the 250hp 3.5 engine? I don't need a hot rod, just a comfortable family wagon/van for $14k come April.
I live in Wisconsin, so while all-wheel drive would be nice, it's not necessary. I've been fine with fwd for the past 2.5 years.
I've seen every combo of engine, drivetrain, and seating configurations available on autotrader, but I'd like recommendations from you current Pacifica owners.
(I've ruled out the outdated domestic minivans, the foreign are too expensive, I don't like my 04 Odyssey enough to buy, and I'd like to give my wife a little luxury, which the Pacifica exudes when not in the shop)
Thanks!
The third row can be a little tight for an adult for longer trips.
Or..put the kids in the third row and have her sit in the second one.
I would suggest a FWD 3.5. I don't believe you will see any mileage difference between the 3.8 and 3.5, so you might as well get the better engine. You will, however, see a big mileage difference between AWD and FWD, so if you don't need AWD, then don't get it. I wish we had opted for FWD myself. This 18 mpg is just harsh. (i averaged 22-23 in a FWD Pacifica loaner I had.)
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I think I'll rule out the smaller engine then. Resale value always seems greatly affected by engine choice.
I fully understand that the 2004's have the usual new model issues, which is why I'll be looking at used 2005-2006 models. And since so many are coming off rental lots, the massive 24mos depretiation makes getting a used one for $14k a reality come April.
I guess I'll be looking at the Touring model then... how's the seat comfort of the 2 styles of cloth seats vs the leather???
Thanks again!
The leather is leather. I freezes your rear end in winter, and burns it in the summer. Then it cracks.
I reported on the buying experience in the "Prices" section and have been pleased with the follow thru by the 5 Star dealer. I have mud flaps and a foglight kit on order which should be in and installed sometime next week. They've already offered the use of a loaner for that work.
Best wishes in 2007...
Today, I tried parking it in my garage and my husband has the garage so full that I barely scraped the right door. So, now I'm trying to find if there is a rubber part you can order to put on the outside of the door that runs from the front to the back. Also, I was amazed that the Limited edition didn't come standard with Splash Guards, my car does get filthy quickly. Also, how do you order touch up paint for your vehicle?
Regards from Sammamish Washington
I'm having foglights and molded splash guards installed next week at the dealer. They had to be ordered. When you pick up your touch up you might inquiry about splash guards. I was quoted $90 installed for 4.
Issues: Front end shimmy when braking.
It did it when it was brand new and this only gets worse with time. Dealer says it is caused by warped rotors and wants to turn the rotors and charge big bucks. I know they weren't warped when new and have talked to other Pacifica owners who experience the same phenomenon.
Interior Suction with rear windows down. We laughed about this at first and found it to be really strange. With the rear windows down and driving over 40mph the interior pressure drops drastically and will even suck open your eardrums. We use this method to drain water from our ears after swimming- works great. Come drive in the car...It'll suck your ears clean of water!!
Rear Tire wear: scuffing- tire shoppes tell me it os wearing like it needs new struts. New struts wont fix it, On the third set and the tires continue to wear that way and even after a 4-wheel alignment and new struts.
Gas milage: started out at about 18 which bothered me. It has gotten better with age. At 75,000 miles it now gets 23-24 mph and still climbing.
Advice: Get the lower engine shroud raplaced while in warranty, it has been re-engineered to stay put. If you have the leather steering wheel, get a cover to protect it otherwise the surface will wear quickly.
Other than that, I love the car, it's fun to drive and is very responsive. I like driving fast and have been know to go over 100 from time to time. This car handles it great but cuts out after 112mph (by design). The transmission shifts extremely smooth and engine starts great in extremely cold conditions.
I have had no major repairs. Not even brakes yet. Tires are a whole different story. The Michelen MXV4's sell for over 200.00 each, but you'd do well to bite the bullet and not "go cheap" on the tires.
Funny, sort of, to see people paying this price for much lesser models years ago. I guess it pays to buy late in a model history.
The car rides exceptional well and the kids love it. MPG has been OK. Kills you in town, but have been getting over posted on the highway. 23 - 25 mpg is commone.
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Most likely Chrysler will replace the line with something else and call it something else.
I am just glad that I paid $8 - 9K below invoice....at least it minimizes the damages.
I am not sure if the Windsor Plant will add some other vehicle to replace the loss of making the Pacifica, at present the Caravan and Town and Country are made at Windsor.
By the way www.allpar.com had lots of good information.
Have a very marry Christmas, and remember HE is the reason for the day we call Christmas.
farout
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
If it were me, I would crawl under the car and spray a degreaser liberally wherever there is oil and then rinse it. The dealer might do it for you.
We downsized from a Suburban and am still getting use to the smaller space.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The Limited was hard to find as they all sold out quickly in Jan.
Actually MB had very little to do with the PAC. I have read some on this forum thought MD designed the engine and trans. But the 4.0 L engine is basicly the 3.5 L thats been refined, and the trans. is made by Borg Warner.
I believe the Pac 2007 & 08 with the 4.0 l engine and the 6 speed auto trans is one of the best very best vehicles Chrysler has ever built. The Chrysler 300 is also real nice as well. The Pac is the largest cars that was built in 07 & 08.
What king of fuel mileage do you get? That's the part we are amazed at, we have gotten as high as 28 mpg but just puttsing around town its 21 to 23 mpg. Heck that's great as far as we are concerned. Heck, the Chevy Aveo only gets 25 mpg in that Korean tin can.
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So far, gas mileage on the EVIC is approx 18, much better than the 14 of the GC.
I have the Cognac Crystal Clear Coat and it is beautiful, especially accented by the chrome 19" wheels.
The A/C is one of the best I've had...ice cold!
I think the Nav screen is hard to see in sunlight, unlike my GC and my other car, a 2007 VW Passat Wagon with Sport Package and Nav. The Pacifica nav svreen should be brighter (even though I have it on Max).
I haven't had it a week yet but I am smitten with it.
I was able to get a
The only issue to watch for is a chugging or as the experts say a "shudder" in the transmission. This happend at 1500 to 2000 in 6th gear. This is resolved by replacing the torque converter. The factory does this free if you discover this. The factories warranty is good until 36,000 miles.
We bought ours new on August 31, 2007, and we now have 48,000 miles on it. We are very pleased with the Pac.
There are a few on this forum that had Chrysler buy back their Pac's because of the transmission shudder. But by far most like their PAC's a lot.
If you are using the 89 octane fuel, you will find that 87 will works just as well. The power of the 4. L engine and the 6 speed auto are a really great combination, and we have never wanted more that this puts out. We have had V-8 engines that were gutless in comparison.
We had purchased a 2007 Jeep Compass $X$ and it was a DOG. Very poor mpg like 22 at the most and fit and finish was beyond poor. We traded it in after 5 months and less than 10,000 miles. The Pac was everything we have wanted and more.
I hope this has helped some, and you enjoy your ride.
jfarout