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You have incredible power. Tell him you only want factory loaded options and hit the road if the maxed out car is above 28 and change.
It's not a Lexus for christ's sake!
The car was listed at $33,something w/leather, spoiler, b/t, sunroof, heated seats, nav,...all the bells and whistles. The sales man got it down to $31, something. Which I'm thankful for! I really like the guy and he's worked with me for 5 + hours by now. I'm all about the guy getting paid to sell me a car but I was just making sure that I'm not getting suckered either! I'm trading in a 01 Seq, 137,000 miles on it and they are giving me $7,900 for it! So that helps with my final price!
I'm taking your advice and going back in tonight. Also, thanks for telling me to skip the closing sales pitch for additonal items to buy! That is a huge help!
Thank you all for your help! I feel like I have some brothers, uncles and fathers out there helping me Thank God I got on Edmunds last night and read all of your messages!
Thanks!
We bought an '08 Camry Hybrid last July and are shopping for a Prius for our daughter right now, and I found the site to be very helpful. I also think your dealer has added on to the MSRP of the vehicle. Our fully loaded (every option available) Camry had an MSRP of $31,200 and we paid $28,300 at that time.
Car buying can be stressful so I hope this helps.
Good luck.
Again, the extra "bells and Whistles" are unneccessary add ons. There aren't enough factory options to push the price to $33K+. Don't let the fact that you "like" the salesperson make you think he won't take advantage of you.
Edmunds has a feature that will let you price the car out showing the MSRP and Invoice on all the options. Use it and know what you are paying for. There are a lot of these on the floor, buy the one you want. If you're willing to pay $31 for a TCH I'm guessing you can go anywhere you want and get exactly what you want.
Thanks
think our economy is strong and people are buying them as fast as they come to the dealership--
the area has about 60 09s in the availability pool--but the most we found on any lot was 3
that makes it harder to deal with these guys....
Good luck! I love my TCH! Amazing mileage compared to my 2001 Toyota Sequoia! Of course! Great fun features too! I love the blue tooth, back up sensors, XM and nav.! I'm glad that I got the loaded Camry! It's fun!
Can you please let us know what was the MSRP on your car and how much did you pay for it?
Thanks
Does the Hybrid use special tires that cost more and/or wear out faster?
Is it like the Prius, where the 12v battery drains when parked much more quickly than a normal car requring you to get a jump start at the airport when you get home from vacation?
Have you forgotten to turn off the car when you parked?
Salesman said hybrids are going for full MSRP here in SW VA. Thought we got a pretty good deal all things considered (car is loaded w/leather, nav sys, sun roof, XM radio). It's taking some getting use to (start up and nav sys controls), but really pleased with the 42 mpg I've averaged over the past few hundred miles. :shades:
Thanks. - phil
It is not on the Edwards options pkgs but it adds about 1530 MSRP to total price of the car
those are options that many people can do without--or that other feel are over priced...
Car is extremely quiet, even with the strange new grunts, clicks, and moans of the hybrid system. It's an adjustment to get used to the new sounds and the lack of the old sounds (engine revving up, transmission shifts, wind noise, et al). Starting the car for the first few times was a very different experience. Kinda fun. The car accelerates very nicely, smooth. Brakes are very strong. And then there's the mpg. Over several hundred miles we're getting between 40 - 42 mpg. For the size, comfort, performance and quality of the car, it's downright impressive.
The build quality is outstanding. exterior panels fit together extremely well. I've noticed that there seems to be a conscious attempt to reduce the number of body panels. Gives a very smooth, integrated appearance. The interior pieces also fit together very well. Very tight tolerances on the gaps. The door panels seem a little cheap to me (very plain), but they seem sturdy enough.
The nav sys is information overload at this point. I suppose that once I get used to it, it will become second nature selecting the different features. Right now, it is distracting and requires too much time "eyes off the road".
The information on the instrument panel display is, for the most part, informative, but sometimes redundant with the nav sys display. Some of the information seems a little frivolous (the engine/battery/charging status), but if you don't have the nav sys, you wouldn't otherwise have that info.
Sound sys is very good (I prefer the Bose sys in my truck). Controls, instruments, storage are all very well laid out, perhpas the best I've seen, and I've bought 12 new cars (and several used ones) since 1974.
Glove box is huge. Lots of storage cubbies throughout the cabin. Rear seat has more room than a Ford Crown Vic. Trunk space is limited, but not as bad as I was lead to believe in some reports. It's plenty bid to haul groceries or enough luggage for a road trip.
Seats are very comfortable, although I would like the bottom cushions to be a little longer for more thigh support. Also, I would like a broader range of adjustment up/down & fore/aft for the seats. A little more outward travel on the sterring wheel would be nice too. These are pretty nit picky details for such a nice car that performs adequatley and gets such great mileage.
That's my $.02! - Phil
My fully loaded inside and out 09 was $33, something at msrp and purchased at $31, something one week ago. I'm at work or I would grab my paperwork for exact numbers. I traded a 01 sequioa for $7,900 so that helped me out. I have no idea where and how the other buyers are getting $24,000 for a tch?
My best friend went in on Monday, ordered/put a deposit on a 09 TCH. they told her it would be in at the end of the month. They called her today and said it's here, come pick it up.
My salesman called me today to check on me and the car. He said that the dealers are now going 500-1,000 over msrp due to high demand. The salesmen don't have to pressure anyone to buy a hybrid since they are flying off the lot!
I am adjusting to lower head room compared to the sequioa (of course) and smaller side mirrors which makes me wonder why they are so small? Again, I was spoiled by the seq mirrors but I'm feeling like I can't see everything around me. Other than those two issues, I'm waving at the gas stations as I drive by. Our gas in Tulsa just went up 10 more cents in one day!
I am loving all the gadets inside....b/t, nav, sat radio and back up sensors! My friend is furious since she just bought a $70,000 lexus and only received Xm for 3 months and I got it for 6 months. Apparently, she can afford the additional 3 months!
ONE QUESTION? How are you all getting 38-42 mpg? I'm getting 31.7. I'm on my first tank of gas if that makes a difference. A friend just bought an 08 sequioa last week (yep, $50,000 and 14 mpg) and her salesman said that it takes a few tanks of gas before you start seeing the stated mpg?
Is there a breaking in period to get to your gas mileage or can you share some driving tips with me? I'm watching the screen that shows the energy used but still trying to figure out what it all means (blonde?) and how to get higher mpg?
Thanks for you help!
Traci
It may take a few tanks for the mpg to improve. I rented a TCH that had a few thousand miles on it for a day and got about 35 mpg in about 200 miles of driving around town and on the highway without using any special driving techniques.
home sales are happening---people are buying cars and eating out still--cars in Wal-Mart and Target lots and at the mall
prices are higher in grocery stores and our gas pumps like everywhere else but we have not seen big layoffs--
some of them are coming as the mortgage crunch is starting to hit home (they are closing a Citi Bank facility w/100 employees in my town this month)
business constructions is still happening and there are new housing developments going in as well
My first tank of gas gave me 31.7 mpg. My second tank is showing 36.4 and above. I actually saw 40.3 ! Wow! I'm loving this car! Love all of the loaded goodies too!
When researching the car online, it says that you should get 580 miles per tank. We will see?
I'm starting out easy at the intersections now so wee will see what happens.
thanks for the driving tip
My first tank of gas gave me 31.7 mpg. My second tank is showing 36.4 and above. I actually saw 40.3 ! Wow! I'm loving this car! Love all of the loaded goodies too!
When researching the car online, it says that you should get 580 miles per tank. We will see?
I'm starting out easy at the intersections now so wee will see what happens.
thanks for the driving tips
If you're new read the old threads before you panic about the tank range. On empty you'll still have 3 gallons of gas so if you show empty at 500 miles yes indeed you can go to 580 most of the time. I typically fill up with about 14 gallons and 530+/- miles on the tank getting 38mpg, so if you're averaging 38+ mpg 600 is an easy target.
so the mpg was only 31--but we are still learning how to drive--my husband has been driving when we go together and he is little more heavy footed than I am
how much does the tank physically hold as full?
Also have question on tires, which is related to cost of ownership. I can't beleive how quickly the OEM tires have worn out - less than 25K on them. My sister put Pirelli's on hers when the OEM wore out at 20K miles ( not sure which model) and mileage went down by 2 mpg. The Michellins are expensive, and if they only last 25K miles, it works out to something like 3 cents / mile just for tires. Not to be picky, but I would like to maximize mpg, and have a quiet car. My local dealer says that they will only put on 'V' rated tires, as the suspension requires it. Do I have to put on V rated tires? Any suggestions from other owners on tires?
I went through two sets of Bridgestones. I have a "Tires for Life" program with my dealer so I went ahead and replaced the originals with Bridgestones. They only lasted 23,000 miles as well. I asked them again this time to upgrade (at my cost) and have the Michellin's (I paid about $120 extra_ or my total cost for new tires) I like the ride and noise a lot better.
I don't necessarily understand the suspension comment unless the car simply needs a stiff sidewall due to the sustemnsion being so soft. I can imaging the ride getting any sloppier but perhaps it could. It's a shame they designed this car to need 60 series V rated tires. Surely there were low rolling resistant tires in a 70 series H rating. I'm just going to have to wait a couple of monts to see how the Mishellins hold up.
I'm at 48,000+ miles now. Milage dropped some as my wife stared driving it substantially on the interstate and during the winter (both not the TCH's sweet spot). However we're still around 37.3 mpg. Pretty incredible for a car this size.
My TCH is now at arounf 26 cents per mile for total cost ownership. That compares to 91 cents for my Expedition.
All in all it's a great car. The tires that they chose are a big dissapointment though. Right now I'm living with noisy tires on their last legs (still legal, but getting to be a concern) until I can figure out what to put on it. Depending on how many miles I drive this summer, I may wait until next spring when I take the snow tires off to buy the next set of summer tires.
BTW, my total cost of ownership is in the $.36 range. 49K miles, $3695 for gas, $1100 maintenance (including $380 for snow tires, which are used for about half my miles), the rest is taxes and payments. I think I have paid down about the same amount as the deprecations ($10K). If I have to plunk down $750 for a set of Michelins (no free tires for life here), it will add another $1.5cent / mile.
Thanks for your input!.
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http://www.newsweek.com/id/138808/page/1
I ordered on June 2 and was told I would have a VIN and build date in 2-3 weeks with delivery in 7-8 weeks. Others being told similar?
1) One of the dealers told me there is a waiting list on 09 TCH. Is that the case everywhere?
2) He also told me TCH are selling at MSRP ($25k base + taxes, fees, packages, etc.-no extra packages) I have not started negotiating yet, but wanted to get a feedback what would be a good price to pay. The invoice for 09 is $23k. Considering high demand of TCH is it hard to negotiate?
3) What is the best time to buy TCH from June to October
4) Are there any technical issues later with TCH, is it wise to buy the extended warranty?
5) Any other advise that you think might be helpful to me in getting a good deal.
Thank you all.
Just wanted to thank all of you that provide useful tips to get the most out of a hybrid vehicle.
I think one thing that is important to remember for you new TCH drivers is consider the level of obsession you want to have with your TCH.
If, like me you came from a car that got 16 mpg then you've already made a huge leap towards reducing your need on gasoline. I've had a 234% improvement in FE. Granted a 10% increase in effeciency is still 10% no matter what, but in terms of dollars, if you're getting 16 mpg and you go to 17.6 mpg, you just made a 10% improvement and if you drive 12,000 miles a year you will save 68 gallons of gas ($272/yr @ $4). If you moved up to a fuel effecient car like the TCH and you're getting 37 mpg, a 10% increase will need to get you to 40.7 and over that same 12,000 miles you only save 29 gallons ($116/year).
Once you're in a fuel effecient car you can see that striving to get from 37 to 38 or dropping to 35 is not really such a big deal. I like knowing if I want to I can get 40mpg by trying realllly hard or if I'm in a hurry and push the car a little I might drop to 35. In either case, it's a LOT better than the 16 I used to get.
Absolutely correct - you made the huge jump going to 15 or 'only' 32-34. Going from 15 to 33 saves you 545 gallons in 15,000 miles, while going from 33 to, say, 40 only saves about 80 gallons.
Second problem: Significant speedometer error: 4 MPH at nearly any speed! Calibrated error with radar. At 30 MPH, this is nearly a 15% overstatement, so if your average MPH is around that, your actual miles driven could be 85% of what is stated on the odometer. Factory says "within specs". Ha! There may be a way to re-calibrate - saw something in the Nav System screens.