Lexus LX 470

cbs03 · August 2003

Thanks for the advice, Gteach26 and ljflx.

To answer your question, since Lexus has not yet actually done the "certified pre-owned" work yet, they offered me the car with or without certification. Basically, I chose to buy it non-certified, with the warranty expiring around December (milage wise).

They did offer it to me "certified pre-owned" for $1,000 more (with a 3 year warranty beginning today). And they offered it again with a 5 year extended warranty (starting today) for $2,150. (They came down on price a bit)

Rob

ljflx · August 2003

Having done a lot of deal negotiations in my life I always look for that opening that clinches a deal. So why not negotiate for the balance of the new car warranty and then get the 3 years on top of that - when it expires - for $1,000. I'll bet they will go for it.

Good luck with the LX whichever way you go. You're going to love it.

gteach26 · August 2003

Also, if you decide to get the extended warranty, I DO NOT recommend you get a 3rd party one. Stick with the Lexus one (even at a price premium). I was inquiring on another board about a third party warranty company and was lead to several boards in the "smart shopper" forums which led me to believe that these 3rd party deals are VERY risky propositions. (Do a search on the "smart shopper" section of town hall for "extended warranty" to get more info.)

As far as whether to get the 3 or 5 year.. it depends on how long you will stick with the truck... but think of it, if after three years all has gone well I'd think you'd have a solid enough vehicle that it would "probably" stay trouble free for the full 5.

I'm thinking ljflx is 100% in that ANY fixes on this truck will be expensive... if it were me, I'd get the 3 year for 1K and in 2007/8 dump the truck for a newer one. It's a shame that these warranty prices you were quoted was done so AFTER the sale, otherwise you could have negotiated the price of the truck down a bit to compensate. Still, I know these warranty prices ARE negotiable but as to how low they'll go -- hopefully you can find someone here who's bought one to give you some comparisons.

Good Luck!

ljflx · August 2003

Here's something - just to give you an idea of Lexus warranty coverage. I had 45k miles on my LS430 and needed service and my brake pads were low. I could feel it. So I bring the car in for service and tell them to check the brakes. They call back and say I should get new ones (though I could have squeezed out maybe 5k more miles) given I'll need them at some point before my 65k lease expires - so the sooner the better and the more benefit to me. Next they tell me it will cost $330. Then comes the BUT. The BUT was very pleasant to my ears. The guy said Lexus just put out a service bulletin on brakes and mine would be replaced under warranty. A very nice surprise considering they were worn and due for routine maintenance.

Gteach is right - if you do it - do it right with a Lexus warranty. No one else comes close.

aggiebart · August 2003

I own a 00 LX470, I just 'upgraded' the H1 Headlight bulbs to PIAA Spark Blue. I did a little research and they are supposed to be the 'best'. Well if they are the best I don't buy it. I am not seeing (no pun intended) any better at night, they look cool but that's not the point. Has anyone replaced their OEM bulbs with any other bulbs that still meet the factory specs of no more than 55 watts. I am not taking a chance on melting any wires....

I am thinking of trying the Sylvania or Phillips next...

Anyone had any luck?

aggiebart · August 2003

Rob- buy the certified Lexus (if all else is equal, i.e. color, overall condition, wife likes it, etc...) it's a no brianer. It probably comes with new brakes, new tires, and it's fully serviced when you roll off the lot. Plus it's guaranteed not be have been wrecked, had no more than one other owner, and comes with the best warranty in the business.

Sounds like we had the identical situation, I bought a 00 LX with 45K. I got mine certified for $35,500, I bought mine 2 months ago..

Best of luck.

nyhack · August 2003

Did your dealer come through with the $1500 over invoice?? If not how much over? What's the dealer name and location.

I am looking for anyone who has info on buying one at less than 6.5K under MSRP. Please respond to thenyhack@yahoo.com. with dealer info. No worms please(HaHa Ha)

Thanks in advance

stingrayy · August 2003

If you can arrange the financing so you can pay CASH, you can get an excellent deal buying out of state (or get the lowest quote from out of state and see if your local dealer will match it). Try buying the LX470 from the Florida area. Best thing to do is to email all of them. Be very specific on what options you are looking for. List the codes for those options if possible. You can get the info from Edmunds. I got my black 2000 LX470 back in October 2000 with less than 10 miles for invoice. Plus, get this, they also PAID for the $800 cost to ship the vehicle to me in Michigan.

stingrayy · August 2003

Did anyone heard anything about the new LX? Possibly a 2005 model with 5+ liter V8 engine?

fj100 · August 2003

I used John Deere HIRs in my 100 series Land Cruiser, they are a GE HIR bulb that replaces the 9005. They are the GE 9012 bulb. Very bright and very white for $28.35 each from your local John Deere dealer. They have to be slightly modified to fit however the bulb says 55w DOT on it.

fj100

fj100 · August 2003

The rumor is that Lexus/Toyota is going to try and pull a fast one on the US consumer and offer a modified sequioa as the top dog LX or VX550 to compete with the navigator and escalade. This will be a sad day indeed however there are to many US consumers that are concerned with the bling, bling image and not real SUVs. Real suvs are going to be a thing of the past. Also, imagine the profit margin on a lexus built in the states on a shared platform.

I hope this does not happen!

The real LC/lx470 replacement will be sold in the rest of the world however we will probably not see it.

Regards,

fj100

nyhack · August 2003

Do you have the dealers name in FL or whatever state you bought yours in who did the deal. I can pay cash

stingrayy · August 2003

I purchased my '00 LX470 from the largest Lexus dealer in Florida and from what I was told the #1 volume Lexus dealer in the US. I think it is not important which dealer I bought from. Because that same dealer may not be able to offer the same deal at this time due to various reasons. The important thing is to email all the dealers in Florida for their best offers. To give you an idea of how many states I emailed, draw a line south starting from Michigan and than color in all the states east of that line except the states north of New York inclusive. The three best offer I received came from dealers in Florida. From my experience and others on this board (read the earlier posts), if you lived east of the Mississippi, the Florida Lexus dealers offered the lowest prices. However, don't bite on their first offer. The dealer I purchased my vehicle from emailed me his second lower offer after a couple days of waiting. Keep two things in mind when you email. One, be very PRECISE in describing what you are looking for. Don't email and tell them that you want the upgraded sound package. Find out the manufacturer's option code from Edmunds and ask for that option by CODE. Two, keep voice communications to an absolute mininum. Can you imagine having to call up 8 or 10 dealers on the phone and negotiate this deal. Be precise in your email and the dealers can get all the information there. If there are any clarifications needed, do it through email. If any of the dealers will not respond to email, just skip over them. It is more likely those dealers are the ones that will play games. Please keep all of us on this board posted on your progress. Personally, I think you can do better than $1,500 or $1,000 over invoice. With this economy we are having, paying invoice or better is more like it! :-) Good luck!

tdo123 · September 2003

Has anyone heard what the real changes will be for this year? Lexus has shown the updates for all of their cars except the LX.

tdo123 · September 2003

Well, I ended up answering my own question. It seems the new feature for the 2004 LX are a "rear view" camera that is displayed through the DVD system. Also a new "bluetooth" technology that will allow your BT enabled phone to upload the phonebook into the DVD player and make 1-touch handsfree calls.

Nothing else very notable on changes.

hankypanky · September 2003

Does any one have any recommendation for Lexus dealers who give good discounts on New Lexus, I live in Chicago Land area, but I am willing to buy it out of state if I get a good deal. Dealers in Chicago area won't go more than 2 or 3 thousand below MSRP, I know I can get better deal then this.

JPham · September 2003

How do you know?
If all your local dealers are offering roughly the same deal then doesn't that indicate the market condition for your area?

rugeti · September 2003

Have you contacted the fleet departments? That's the way I usually start and unless it's a new or rare model I've never been quoted more than $1,700 over invoice for anything, including the LX470. I've never paid more than $500 over for a Toyota or a Lexus. Given that the LX is an older style in a competitive segment I can't see paying that much for it unless Lexus is really managing the supply of them. If it matters I'm in So. Cal.

gteach26 · September 2003

a brand new '03 you can get them at or near invoice in S.Fla.. if not now, FOR SURE during December to Remember.. only '04 change (I think) was the rear view camera.. so if that isn't a big deal for you I'd get a brand new "leftover" '03 -- last year many dealerships around here had one or two '02's sitting around unsold.

I think you can get a good deal at JMlexus (jmlexus.com), County Line Lexus. or Lexus of Kendall here in S. Fla... there are some inherent risks about doing big money, long-distance transactions but for the most part (unless you are one of the unlucky few who encounter problems) these dealerships will take care of you.

If it HAS to be an '04, you'll have better selection and the rear view camera, but the price will be higher, but in either case, I'd wait 'till Holiday time to deal. This is a NICE suv-- you'll love it!

Good Luck!

kjack100 · September 2003

My wife's 2003 Land Cruiser is equipped with the Navigation system. I feel like the system is the same in the LX470. Every week or so it will show your location somewhere else besides where you are; normally within a 75 miles radius. I'll recalibrate it manually, then the problem will return in a week or two. Thanks for any help.

docrock143 · September 2003

Hi all...anybody have a source for a hood bug deflector that can fit on a 2003 LX 470? Nothing by Lexus seems to be available. Prefer not to drill into the hood. Thanks!
Alan
P.S. Does anyone know if deflectors availble for the 2003 Land Cruiser will fit the Lexus?

hankypanky · September 2003

Anyone installed a remote starter for this vehicle? What Brand and how much did you pay for it? What are the pros and cons of installing a remote starter? I am thinking about getting it installed and want to get some opinion first. Thanks

ibleave · September 2003

I put a remote starter on my 2002 Landcruiser right before winter 2002 -- and I was very glad I did. We park out on the street here and it was nice to jump into a warm vehicle on cold days. The system has a great signal distance --for example, while riding in a Dulles Airport shuttle bus (to a remote parking lot) I was able to turn on the TLC as we approached (had enough distance/time so that the vehicle was already warm inside when I jumped in). This past summer, I haven't used the remote starter as much but every so often will turn it on to cool down the TLC on a hot day. I went to Circuit City and had them put in the top of the line Viper system (integrated security system and remote starter).

Would do it again in a heartbeat!

letuandai · September 2003

Well, I was taught by a very respectable teacher in the past how to buy car and so far it worked very well for my 2 cars. Go to the dealer test drive the car you want, check it out completely, ignore the saleman, go home. Then look up in the phone book and call several dealers around your area and make sure you tell them you want to talk to the fleet manager. To each of them you will ask how much over the invoice would they willing to sell. After talking to several of them you will know the true invoice. Another tactic is to tell one guy the other guy go for a lower deal and if this guy can beat that you will come over today and pick up the car. Save you a lot of time and headache from the saleman.

I bought my SC430, 2003 1 month a go at South CA, Longo Lexus from a nice lady (nona)for 1,500 over the invoice. You could do better. Their services is the best. These people go to the extreme to make sure you are happy. And of course who is not happy driving a lexus. I will never drive any other car if they dont match Lexus comfy. I plan to upgrade my wife sequoia to LX470 at the end of this year. Any wisdom out there?

stever · September 2003

Some dealers don't have a fleet person and will just put a salesperson on the phone, so don't necessarily believe a fleet pitch either. I guess that another reason you call several.

And please, no names of individuals.

Steve, Host

rugeti · September 2003

That's how I buy all my cars. I did get suckered by a Mercedes dealer who claimed to have a fleet department. Once I got there I got turned over to a regular retail person. The car stinks, the dealer stinks. No more Mercedes for me.

Just bought a Tahoe on a Sunday. The fleet mgr. was out so I spoke with the Sales manager by phone. I confirmed that they had the car I wanted, told him the price I wanted to pay. He agreed and my only warning was that I would turn around and walk out if he tried to re-trade me when I got there. It was a great experience. Now I have a 2nd option to going through fleet.

sta2 · October 2003

Hello all,

No towing package on my 00 LX470, and I'm not ready to spend $1,400 for a lexus part.

I've looked into briefly:
Hidden Hitch (best so far)
Putnam
Curt
Reese
Draw Tite
Sure Pull

I know many of the above are made by the same company, but need a recommendation. Anyone? No HD towing at this point.

Dave

lehighlexus · October 2003

Are you guys serious? You are talking Lexus and not Ford. But, I'll learn from it. Next time I am shopping at Sak's I'll remember to ask for the Fleet manager. There is no such thing as a fleet manager in Lexus. They are probably laughing all the way to the bank.

kjack100 · October 2003

Check out a Reese hitch. This is what the southeast U.S. Toyota distributor puts on all their Land Cruisers. Very high quality.

bluestar1 · October 2003

Of course Lexus dealerships have people amnning their internet sales division. Certainly in both new and used car sales. Otherwise, how is it that Lexus dealers will take e-mail and phone requests, provide quotes, and generally work with you to get a deal done WITHOUT you having to step into the dealership. In fact, they'll even deliver the car to your door. All of these transactions can be conducted all from the friendly coziness of your house. If that ain't fleet sales, then what is it ? There are internet (fleet) managers for used car sales as well.

lehighlexus · October 2003

Is not a fleet manager. It is just an extra duty for one of their salespeople at the dealership. You would get the same deal, if not better, if you went in and talked to a salesperson. An internet salesperson is the same as if you were to call in or go in the dealership. I am in sales for Lexus (I will not disclose who I am or where I work in fairness), and everyone believes we are the antichrist which causes people to use the internet. But in actuality, we are not working for Ford. At least in our dealership there is no push to get a commitment. We do not try to sell you paint sealant, warranties, financing, dish soap, etc. Just as the Lexus consumer is more prestigious, the easiness and persona are raised here. I cannot speak for all dealers, but there is a reason why customers enjoy purchasing Lexus and come back over and over again.

rugeti · October 2003

I live in So. Cal. where there are about a dozen dealers for every make within a reasonable driving distance. When I call a Lexus dealer and ask for Fleet, they connect me. I don't care who they are connecting me to, but it is definitely to a dedicated salesperson who handles phone and internet inquiries.

In my experience, you do not get the same price walking into a dealer. How much money does a salesperson make at $500 over invoice? Based on what I understand, not much. That's how much I paid for my last Lexus. I've even been quoted higher by Ford!

lehighlexus · October 2003

Congratulations for getting it $500 over invoice. Although I am sure you could have gotten it for the same price if you went in. That was a salesperson on the other end of the line. Either way, the deal went to him. I don't have any interest in what you paid for the car. The point is is that the person you talked to on the phone is the same person you could walk in the door and meet.

rugeti · October 2003

but are you claiming that the person I spoke with on the phone is the same person that will greet me in the parking lot? I was just looking at the GX and that couldn't be further from the truth. The people I spoke with were in a dedicated department and did not have offices "on the floor". I walked into the showroom to look at them and got "tangled" up with a salesperson. As a matter of fact, they didn't even work on the weekend, so how do you explain that?

I realize you are in sales, so I can only argue this so far. Are you therefore saying that the Internet/Fleet people are compensated the same way, or do you know? In my experience this has been the biggest distinction between the two. Fleet/Internet are more interested in moving volume, whereas sales people are more dependent on the profit of each individual sale.

lehighlexus · October 2003

You know I may be wrong. If you went to Longo Lexus or someone as big as that they may have fleet sales. I just noticed you said Cali. Around here we don't have any fleet managers. (East Coast) As far as it goes on the east coast, the fleet/internet managers are salespeople. I should have thought about the difference in location.

bluestar1 · October 2003

It's all about location. Rugeti and I live in So Cal, so of course, everything on the left coast is different, eh ?

We do indeed have fleet or internet managers. I have bought a couple of cars that way. Best way to buy a car if you are not the argumentative type, and who values his/her time, IMO.

njpaguy · October 2003

Of course Lehigh(Valley)Lexus will say you'll get the same price if you call, e-mail, or stop in. I e-mailed them to find out how much over invoice they would want for a factory order on an 04 LX470. They got back to me with this figure: $6000 over invoice. Yup, you can get THAT price walking into any Lexus store!

lehighlexus · October 2003

I don't take the email ups. My feelings (whether they are right or wrong) is that most dealers will be willing to deal more if you come into the dealership b/c it shows you are really interested in the vehicle. I know alot of true buyers do shop on the internet, but then again there are a ton more dream shoppers doing the same thing. I know from personal example I have gone online and have gotten a quote on something I wasn't really going to buy. It just shows an added commitment when you take the time to go to the dealership. Not bashing internet shopping, just trying to give some reasoning. Also, it's alot easier to beat us up in person than on the phone or via email.

stever · October 2003

That's one reason why some people like the Blast Fax method.

You may find this quote from a JD Power study interesting too <g>:

"Dealers who approach online leads with a strategy of withholding information in an effort to lure shoppers into the showroom may prompt shoppers to simply find another dealership willing to provide online price quotes or inventory information"

steve_ "Honda CR-V: Prices Paid & Buying Experience" Oct 1, 2003 4:17pm

Steve, Host

njpaguy · November 2003

Your rationale is way off base. First off, your new car inventory is so limited anyone who wants to see all the different models with different trim levels and colors needs to visit another Lexus dealer. Secondly, since Toyota dealers are moving 04 TLC at prices down to $950 over invoice (and many Lexus dealers moving LXs around $1200-$1500 over for in-stock units) how can you justify $6000 over invoice on a factory order with no floor plan or other overheads associated with an in-stock unit? You think if I make an appointment to stop in and haggle for 5-6 hours you'll close a deal with me justifying the $6000 over invoice price? I could order an LX on the West Coast, have it trucked East on a closed private carrier, and still save $3500. Gimme a break.

lehighlexus · November 2003

I apologize you are so upset about it. If I were you, I'd buy it on the west coast. Like I stated, I was not the one who gave you the number. When we emailed you back, you probably did not know which Lexus dealer we were you sent out so many emails. We are not going to auction off our cars. And with that attitude, I can see why you are buying a car on the west coast. (What happened to the other 65 dealers or so on the east coast.) Your email was probably given 3 minutes worth of time, and that price was thrown back. Have I seen deals better than that here? Definitely. Is it worth our time to sell ours for invoice to a guy that is going to search all 211 dealers. No. I was trying to be helpful, but obviously you are stuck in that "salesmen are scum" ideaology of the 70's. To everyone else, my advice could be helpful. If you have a deal, and want it a little more attractive, go to the dealer and see what they can do.

david188 · November 2003

Just had twins. Have a 2.5 year old. Need to get rid of the family sedan and buy/lease an SUV or minvan that will take 3 car seats, 3 adults (me, wife, nanny) and has storage behind the third seat sufficient for suitcases, toys strollers. Your basic travelling circus.

Want to be safe, comfortable, have the vehicle handle well, a DVD to keep Junior settled - I'm hearing I've got to go large. Is the LX 470 too small for my needs? What would you suggest I look at and why?

gteach26 · November 2003

the LX 470 and I'm in a similar situation as you.. my wife's RX is getting cramped fast.. I am seriously considering an LX 470 purchase later in the year BUT... I just stumbled upon the 2004 Toyota Sienna.. yes it's a minivan but the interior of this beast is 100% Lexus! Plus the Sienna XLE Limited (with Navigation option) comes with MOST of the goodies that the LX 470 and the LS430 have -- and it tops out at $40K with all those goodies!

With the 40K Limited Sienna you get power rear liftgate, fold flat third row, power side doors (both sides) rearview camera, parking assist, HID lights, rear entertainment system.. the list for the Sienna goes on and on.. even the '03 LX 470 falls short when it comes to many of these options.. and off-roading is not in my future so the Sienna option makes most sense for me, but that LX 470 LOOKS so classy inside and out... arrrh!

SO what the heck should I do? Spend 60K on the smaller, less-optioned LX (but absolutely gorgeous inside and out) or Spend 40K for the Sienna with more features, more room, and but a less desirable mini-van look??

I'm going to looking VERY closely at these two vehicles and suggest you do the same... either way, these Toyota folks sure seem to make a fine product!!

david188 · November 2003

Thanks for the response. Are you looking at any of the larger SUVs instead of the LX (or Sienna minvan). If its a space concern, I would think we should be looking at Sienna, Yukon Denali, Suburban, extended Escalade, etc. Have you looked at any of these or are you simply sold on Toyota/Lexus? Why? Why not? Thx.

rugeti · November 2003

I own a Lexus GS and am a huge fan of the LX and Landcruiser. We have two small kids and while we will eventually buy one of the two, we decided on a loaded Tahoe. The choice was obvious for many reasons. First, the car stickered for $45k and we were able to get it for $35k. It is truly loaded and has many features that you cannot get on the Landcruiser, like memory seats, XM radio, built in phone, 2nd row bucket seats, and more. It also has an upgraded suspension package (Autoride). The car is surprisingly quiet and the ride is hard to believe for a car that we only paid $35k for. With all the money we saved, we put in a great DVD system which is a thousand times better than anything you can find from the factory.

Don't get me wrong, we will own a Lexus suv in the future, but with two small kids, spilled drinks, strollers, french fries, etc. I couldn't see spending so much for a relatively small suv when we could get a bigger more feature rich Tahoe that I don't have to worry about thrashing. Trust me, I did a ton of thinking and research and was literally hours from special ordering a 2004 Landcruiser.

Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

gteach26 · November 2003

I currently drive an '03 Lincoln Navigator Ultimate and am very happy with it and can recommend it to you.

The third row seat fits any size person comfortably and it folds flat when not in use. It also has HID lights, a power liftgate, power running boards, and a VERY classy interior. You can also get it with a voice-activated Navigation System and rear entertainment system -- all for the low 50K range. I have the second row bench seat and the middle portion slides up so that my little angel can be up close to us.. also, my second car seat (it is on the way and due next summer!!) will fit just fine in that second row.

With the ease of that fold-flat third row, carrying lots of stuff in the back is not an issue. With the third row in use you have limited space but enough to fit a stroller, and a few bags.

If mileage matters to you (it stinks on this puppy) I'm only getting around 11-12mpg. If you want to talk more about my Navigator experiences let me know over in the Navigator board and we'll chat some more.

Overall though, I still like the overall Lexus package better (in the LX 470) but the 470 is smaller, with less features (no fold flat third row, no HID's, less Room) but it counters with a supposedly a rock solid, trouble free reputation whereas my Lincolns (I've had two Navigators) have had a few glitches here and there.

However, rumors around here are that Lexus is coming out with a larger, more feature-packed LX soon.. if they do it right that truck will blow everyone away.. including me!!

dpetrie · November 2003

Hello,

I just bought a 2004 LX 470 and I'm having trouble with the interior lighting. There are 3 sets of overhead lights: one over the front seats by the sunroof controls called "map lights" , one over the middle seats, and one over the rear seats. The lights over both the middle and the rear seats can be set to go on when any doors are opened. The front overhead lights don't seem to have this setting. This makes the front quite dark. I checked with the dealer (Lexus of Manhattan) and they told me there's now way to change this. Has anyone experienced this or is the dealer wrong. I find it hard to believe that Lexus would forget that front overhead lights should go on when the doors open.

Thanks

Dave

njpaguy · November 2003

What an un-Lexus like response! I currently drive a BMW 5-series wagon. I LOVE the LS430. Stopped by to drive it when it first arrived (while only 1 year into our BMW lease). Stopped back a year later to drive it again (our selling professional was no longer with the dealership, but your sales mgr pulled up our customer info from the computer file). The new selling professional missed on two major points. One, I asked that he call me when it snows so I could drive the LS in the snow (he never did). Two, I asked about the availability of the Euro-tuned suspension. He got back to me and stated that they no longer offer it in the car. I took that on his word. My mistake. Either he didn't know, didn't care, or since the dealership didn't have one on the lot, he thought he'd attempt to sell around it.

After going round and round, my wife and I decided that maybe we should instead replace our Toyota Land Cruiser with the LX470. Our Toyota service experience left us less than thrilled, and LV Lexus' service department has an excellent reputation.

As you can clearly see in my previous post, I was stating numbers for purchase based upon my research from this and other msg bds. I am not so misguided that I would e-mail every Lexus dealer in the US to get price quotes. But since I have been to your dealership and expressed great interest in your products, I would have thought SOMEONE might have a clue that I was interested in buying a car from your dealership. I have no interest in purchasing a car from the West Coast. But if $6000 over invoice is the lowest price available, it certainly makes more sense.

At one time in a previous life I worked on your side of the desk in auto sales. So I can appreciate your perspective. That's why when I find a dealer that I like, I don't mind paying a bit more for the vehicle. Especially for peace of mind and a no-hassle experience. And I tip my sales people - well. That's why instead of getting the LS, we opted to get another BMW from Daniels in Allentown.

So before you try to attack me - again - or woefully attempt to defend your "come in for the best price" theory, carefully look at how my previous experience AT your dealership and the continuing experience here on line is winning me over (and I'm quite sure many others) so well.

BTW - I didn't confuse e-mail price quotes. Your selling professional called me with the quote of $6000 over.

lehighlexus · November 2003

I guess I missed the literary memo. It's ok for you to stereotype me as the "typical salesmen" but not alright for me to stereotype you as the "typical buyer". You obviously began taking shots at me, since you didn't enjoy your time here. You are one of few. But as I recall, I never helped you on the lot. I never gave you a quote. I never told you I was going to call you and didn't. And as far as "woefully attempting" to defend our product, I do not need to. We have 7 cars on our lot that are not sold. That must mean, somewhere along the line, that there are many people who disagree with you. I don't really understand what I said to made you flare up like a hemorrhoid. I was trying to assist others, but maybe I was misunderstood.

andrewtran71 · November 2003

Has anyone heard of any news regarding the remodeling of the LX or the addtion of another Lexus SUV to compete with the Infiniti QX56 or Lincoln Navigator?

Seems to me like the GX will compete well with the midsize SUV, the RX does a great job with the compact SUV, but the current LX is not even close to being the same size as the much larger FULL SIZE suvs like QX56 or Navigator.
Not even the NON-luxurious full size Sequoia compares in size to the QX56 or other large SUVs.

I heard Toyota will stop selling the Landcruiser since the sales is so bad. By the way, I think it is ridiculous how they can take a $60K Landcruiser and stick some fake woodtrim in it. For $60K, it should be a lot more luxurious. I guess that's why it's not selling well.

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