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Can you believe, the Navi was 2 friggin' days old and some idiot kid throws an egg at it.
Had it estimated, $295 to respray the right fender which I passed on. Way too new. As the dealer had to fix a small scratch on the rear lift gate, the guy attempted to repair the Egg Hit and it came out somewhat. Oh well!
I got the Daytime Running Lamps working today. Think it helps with seeing the beast during the day. I get the Rear View Camera and DVD Play on the Front Nav on Monday. Will report it's operation.
I ran a KBB Used Car Trade on a 2003 Navi w/ 24K Miles and a comparable 2003 Eddie Bauer Expedition 24K Miles and the difference on trade is $7450, so maybe there is a market different, at least I hope.
Look at and drive both - if you still like the Expy then go for it and save the money. But don't be surprised if you prefer the Nav even with the price premium.
As I have 3 little ones, I went for the 2nd Row Bench, as my little guys (all boys, 1 is on they way) do not need a Center Console and with 3, would have required me to put one in the back all the time. For me, I wanted the passenger seating.
Since we only have 2 boys now, I put the center 2nd row seat down, which makes a nice carpented table for their toys (they are 2 1/2 and 6 yrs old).
I gave up the deployable running boards, as you can't have those with the 2nd Row 40/20/40, but in all honesty, when I test drove one with the Deployable running boards, for me (i'm 6') not needing them, the actually got in my way as they are much bigger to step over.
I drove the Expedition a month or so back and it felt too trucky to me where the Navi does.
Now, since I bought, I hope I can afford to drive with the forecast on gas prices. Yikers.
I just got back from a 3 day trip to Death Valley, traveling 750 miles on roads that Navigator really should ever be taken on probably. I shook the doors off that truck on the worst washboard roads I've ever been on for hundreds of miles, seeing every inch of that national park for 2 days like a mule would. When we were done, and back on the highway to come home, the truck settled right back on the highway, as solid, quiet and perfect as ever, without a rattle, squeak or malfunction, like all that shaking, jarring and bouncing ever happened.
I'm telling you, this truck is built Ford Tough. I highly recommend it.
Also Toyota has Consumer Reports in their back pocket. Noone ever mentioned the HUGE sludge problem that Toyota had with every v6 they made in the late 90s or the fact that EVERYONE who uses a tundra for hard work tears up the transmission. YOU WILL NEVER HEAR ABOUT THESE THINGS.
I LOVE MY NAVIGATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will buy an 07 with the next body style change.
MPG, seems to be getting better, 2nd tank was about 11.4 MPG in the CIty and I do mean City, not much open road at all, so yes, it seems to be improving.
Finished all the aftermarket adds, so I better plan to keep this one.
Ford ESP Premium-Care Extended Warranty 6 yr /100 K Miles $50 Deduct
Ford Regular Maintenenace: 6 yr / 100K
Dent Armor Policy: 5 Yr / 72K Miles (All Door Dings Repaired for $0 Add'l Cost)
Protector Plan for 5 Yrs (Paint, Leather, Carpet, Undercoat); I think this helped with the Egg Hit mentioned above
Alarm with Remote Start (upgrade previous Remote Start to get a Full 2-Way Alarm)
Daytime Running Lamps
Rear View Camera; Tied into Nav Screen, also can play Rear DVD on Front Screen
Clear Bra: Front Leading Edge of car and Lower Rocker Panels Around
Acccessories: All-Weather Mats, Cargo Tray, and Mud Flaps
Now if I can only afford to drive it.
I also opted for the Full Maintenance for 6 Yr/100K for $1550, as the Navi has a 5K Oil Change Recommendation and 30K Trans Service, plus it covered Belts, Hoses, Brake Pads, Shocks etc.
Navigation is DVD-based with Full Country Coverage, which asked you to select Regions. The Voice Activated Audio/Navigation is pretty cool.
The Navigation Door is on the Right Lower Side of the Console. I did not even think of playing a DVD in it, but I tried it and it does not work. It just asked for the DVD Map.
I did add an aftermarket rear view camera with a NavTV Module that allows both the rear view camera and rear DVD Player to be played on the Nav Screen. I have 2 toggle switches to turn the Aux source as an input and then toggle between Rear Camera and Rear DVD.
I got the Clear Bra on the Leading Edge and most of the Lower Racker Panels and on the Running Boards, as I did get the monotone Appearance Pkg. Also got the upper part of the Rear Bumper and 4" Up the Rear Hatch. Kit Also included the Side View Mirrors. I opted for the 40 Mil Xpel Headlamp and Fog Light Covers. I have a black Navi, so protecting the paint is a key.
If you need any pics of the install, send me an e-mail: njbaran2@comcast.net
Good luck with the ride - it sounds great!! Cant wait ... two more days!!
I like th idea of the rear view camera. Are u saying that not only can u see the camera scene on the Nav screen, but u can see the DVD playing on the rear entertainment center as well? (not at the same time of course:>)
Can u point me to a source for the camera and the NavTV module? Thanks
On the Camera and DVD playing on the Nav Screen, I have 2 Toggle Switches on the lower Console. Toggle 1: Switched Factory Signal (Audio/Navigation) to Aux Inputs (Camera/Rear DVD). Toggle 2: Switches between Rear Camera and Rear DVD. Unlike most Factory Installed Camera, this work all the time, if you prefer, so you can be driving down the road with the Rear-view Camera on. Same for the DVD. I think the front Navigation Screen looks better then the Rear DVD. The NavTV module (has 2 Inputs) is mounted somewhere in the console. All it really is, is a RGB-Sync Switch where the aftermarket shop spliced the NavTV into the signal going to the Nav Screeen . You can still Fast FWD the DVD, if you remember where the TouchScreen Location is, pretty cool. You can only see one source at a time, but the toggles are easy to reach, even for my wife.
I better plan to keep this Navi for a while, as I am sure these add-ons wont' fetch didly when I go to Sell. I have 2 little ones, with a Third on the way, which while the BackUp Sensor sound tones, seeing behind is nice. I have the Camera mounted pretty high inside the Rear Glass, so I pick-up part of the rear Wiper-Blade, but can't see the bumper, maybe 6" from it.
If you want any pics of the above, send me an e-mail at njbaran2@comcast.net.
I am surprises how accurate the On-Board MPG Computer is, it's almost Dead-on. My prior car, a BMW X5 was off by at least 1.0 - 1.5 MPG, stating a higher MPG than actually acheived.
Also, anyone pulling a Camper with the Navi and if so, how much weight and at what Height. I was how much the MPG Suffers while towing.
Mark
But Next Tank i will run 93 (can't get 91 in Chicago), and see if there is a difference.
I guess in the grand scheme of think $0.10 a Gallon assuming 15,000 Miles Per Year at say 11.4 MPG, is 1315 Gallons, so that whopping $131.50. It ain't worth it. Assume you get 1/2 MPG better, then it's a wash.
I guess i have to think about it.
What kind of City MPG are folks getting with their Navi with Premium Gas
My friend pointed out that at $3 gallon, 15 mpg, means that one full George Washington pours out the tailpipe every FIVE MILES and that's just the cost of gas. If it keeps going up, I won't be able to afford to drive the car to work (70 mile round trip = $14 a day to commute!! Again, gas cost only)
Oh and re: the 89 vs 91 octane debate (and BTW, 91 is the best octane rating we can get here in occupied California) I did a long-term (several months) test with my LS. V6 210 hp rated for 91 octane commute car. I do the 70 mile a day commute in this car, it's a nice twisty drive up over a coastal range (1800 feet) and back down. 98% highway door-to-door. My average mpg is 20-24 range. The test was to use 89 octane for a couple weeks, then back to 91, and so on for a few months. I found that with the 89 octane gas I got 5 to 10% BETTER mileage than with the 91 octane. YMMV.
My point is does the 89 vs 91 make that much of a difference. I'll run a take of the 93 through and see the results. A 1/2 MPG makes it a break even, again just for an engineering test.
Has anyone experienced any problems with the Navigator, I read some very positive and negative reviews about the vehicle. So far this vehicle has not exhibited any of the problems my last LS had I hope it stays that way.
My personal feeling is the Escalade and Yukon looked to much like the suburban, knowing of course the Navi is just an Expedition, but with much more noticable refinement.
The Escalade and Yukon do come in the extended rear-base, but those things are HUGE.
Also, if you value to rear cargo. Navi has fold-down seats whereas Escalade and Yukon, you have to remove them.
Got my Navi for about $12K off MSRP, so overall, an okay deal for th $$$.
A much better option than the Excursion IMO.
What Edmunds.com Says: Lincoln needs this version of the Navigator to score big in order to stay competitive with Cadillac's Escalade that's also scheduled for a redesign soon.
What We Know: Ford will be completely redesigning the Lincoln Navigator, alongside the Expedition, for the 2007 model year. With GM's segment leading Escalade headed for a redesign soon, Lincoln will have to step up to the plate with a fresh design and more luxurious interior to stay competitive. A long-wheelbase version may be added as well. The Navigator will continue to be built at Michigan Truck in Wayne, Michigan, where it is scheduled to roll off the assembly line in the fall of 2006.
Under the Lincoln Navi, its just says Navi gets an Update, which I Presume is the same as the Expedition. Just wonder if they will bring the Long Rear-Base in the Navi.
The thing is a behemouth as it stands now.
No updates planned for 2006
Segment leading Escalade? Step up to the plate...fresh design and more luxurious interior to stay competitive...
To the Escalade?? Has Edmunds really seen the inside of one of those things to make them say the Lincoln needs to be more luxurious to be competitive?? Maybe to the Lexus LX470, but the Escalade? Hello ??!!
It's based on one of the oldest platforms in that segment. With old-tech OHV engines, and 4 speed automatic while the Lincoln has a 6 speed automatic with 3V OHC V8. The interior is totally different from that of the Expy it's based on. While Caddy dressed up the Yukon with some wood appliques. And Newsflash, GM Isn't totally redesigning that platform till 2008.
The Lincoln offers power fold flat rear seating, power running boards, etc. Items not found on the Escalade... So the Navi isn't short on luxury or ammenities.
And next newflash, there won't be an Extended Navi....
To stay competitive to the Escalade...? Bah.... Rediculous... :surprise:
Nuff said.
Thinking about getting a Nav Ultimate real soon, few questions though. I've heard bits of pieces of the 05 being Bluetooth equipped - is it or is it not?
Also, what rebates are going on right now?
How about leasing - do the rebates apply to the leases? I'm still deciding between a purchase & a lease, not sure which way I want to go yet.
I'm looking at a 4x2 Ultimate with power running boards.
tidester, host
Not much is known still, but for the Escalade, Granite interior trimmings and 400-hp+ should be instore. Still retains the same basic layout underneath as now, though, meaning a solid rear axle stays, and the outside dimensions (and shape) are VERY similar. Think about how the new C6 Vette compares to last year's C5 and you won't be far off--evolution, not revolution.
We are still getting mid-11's on our 05' Navi Ultimate with ~2K Miles.
You mentioned it works with the Nav Screen, does that mean you can store numbers in the address book anc call them up?
ALso, does this allow for Handsfree Operation to talk through the Cars Microphone (Voice Recognition) and have the Phone call receiver played through the stereo?
Do you do a Dealer install or do it yourself? If Dealer, how much did it cost?
Thanks!
The dealer would not install it. It is a really easy install, but I had Best Buy install it while they were doing my headrest video screens.
The asked the Navi driver, who typically drives a minivan is the cost of the gas is worth the Navi ride and to no surprise see said absolutely, given the comfort of the Navi.
Interesting test. The Navi is definitely a road vehicle.