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I have a 2002 Freelander SE. Had the thermostat problem fixed as soon as it appeared. Haven't had any problems since.
The vehicle was CPO, and the extended warrant lasts until 7/08 or another 12,000 miles.
Does anyone know if LRNA offers a warrant beyond the CPO extended warranty? Something like 10 years or 100,000 miles?
If not, based on all the feedback, I'll definitely be selling this before next July.
"M" in connection with U.S. Dollars is usually taken to mean MILLIONS which is obviously not what you meant.
You weren't very specific so I am curious. What "damages" do you think Land Rover inflicted upon you?
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
Our truck was repossessed. NEVER BUY A LAND ROVER VEHICLE !!
:lemon:
As I see in the forum there are many complaints regarding this issue, as we all know Land Rover had poor design on this engine and they should be held accountable. I am willing to assist in the suit if one is brought fourth. Until then I will get rid of this vehicle and make sure that anyone interested in purchasing a Land Rover to warn them of their poor service and design flaw. :lemon:
I agree with many of the postings. LandRover should buy all these freelanders back
If any of you are working on or aware of a class action suit to LR, please contact me as well.
Thank you
If anyone has had any luck with getting problems and concerns resolved I would love to hear about it. Also if anyone knows of a class action lawsuit or of any forming I am extremely interested.
I have never owned a vehicle with so many problems. I'm basically in a situation where I can not afford to get another vehicle at this time.
Please let me know if you know of any class action suits. I did receive a payment after 1 year because of all of the problems that I had. I qualified because of the lemon law. I don't know if I would be exempt from any further action against Landrover at this point. I had no idea that I would still be having the same problems now as I did then.
With all of the almost exact same complaints with regards to customer service, the response from the corporate office I'm really surprised nothing has been done about it.
I too am a victim. Sorry to hear of your problems.
Please let me know. I am very interested in participating in a class action suit.
This happened twice within a period of 3 months. If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it. Oh, and my truck is again at it's home at the dealership because of the one of many yearly coolant leaks. The hose had to be replaced again it was just there two weeks prior. Now I'm told they had to order a manifold. An insert was ordered and I guess installed in July of this year.
I purchased the extended warranty because I'm not in a situation to purchase a new vehicle at this time. It's a running joke with my neighbors because they see me in a loaner more than my own truck. Oh and the motor in the rear window has to be replaced also. I was informed that they had to reset the system and the window went down and would not go up. Because I was rear-ended I was told that I would need to get the damage fixed first to prevent two deductible.
I informed them that they need to install it because when I brought it in the window went up and down.
Has anyone had this problem?
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Someone who knows how to make it happen needs to get a lawsuit going. I'd be willing to join but know nothing about how to do that.
There are so many of us out there with so many EXPENSIVE problems, obstinate or capricious dealers and few alternatives cause the Rovers are odd and the tools necessary to repair are unusual and expensive.
My daughter's Freelander needs a rountine timing belt change. On my Volvos it costs about $3-400 and I do them myself. On the Freelander, the local dealer told me to expect $1500-$1800. The 3 belts needed are $190 + water pump $200 + tensioner $80 + aux belt + thermostat + gaskets + 6.8 hours of labor at $90/ hour. Poorly engineered, outrageously expensive parts means that even without the nightmare other problems, these little 4 wheeled lemons are too expensive to own for the average entry level Rover buyer. What we they thinking?
I'm new to the forums and have found the info everyone has posted to be very useful.
I took a chance and purchased an 05' SE3 w/26k the other day...and so far I love it!
I am however very concerned about the future with my new freind after reading the numerous posts here and elsewhere on the web.
My main question is if anyone knows if there were any mechanical updates to the 05's due to all the core problems (coolant leaks, tranny & electrical probs, etc.) or is my 05's engine & trans exactly like an 02 or 03's?
Also, has anyone had any experience working with the Chicago LR Service Dept. at Howard Orloff's on Armitage? If so, I'd like to hear about your experiences and who you recommend speaking with there.
Finally, any mechanically minded Hippo owners on the forum that could advise me on any preventative maintenance things I should do now BEFORE my warranty runs out in May of 09?
Thanks for all you help!
Cheers,
~ Jeff
2005 SE3 25k
I have been watching these postings since June 2006. I purchased my 2002 Landrover in January 2006 and had nothing but problems with it from day 3 of ownership. It was actually towed back to the dealership three days after the date my husband and I picked up the vehicle! If I had known that was the beginning of many more problems to come, I would have cut my losses at that point. Since then, I had 4 transmissions, two engines, and various other problems (all related to transmission issues). The vehicle has been in the dealership for over 8 months out of the total less than two years that we have owned the vehicle. In December 2006, the owner of the dealership tried to pay us a little compensation money, due to the fact that I was complaining to anyone that would listen, beginning with the Better Business Bureau, all the way to Land Rover North America. As all of you who have tried to complain would know, I could get no resolution anywhere. In February of 2007, the Attorney General of my State and I had a conversation regarding my issues and he stated that I should contact a lawyer. I actually have lawyers in my family, so I asked them what they thought of my circumstance. After long deliberation, they informed me that a law suit would be extremely costly (a revokation of acceptance) and nobody actually wins in class action suits except for the lawyers. In August of 2007, I finally contacted the Attorney General again to make one final plight before selling the vehicle and taking a huge loss. The AG agreed to take the case. As it is such a slow process, I could not wait any longer and finally sold my vehicle two weeks ago. I had to pay off 5,000.00 that I still owed on it that I could not get on trade in. That really angered me, but to rid myself of the pain and anguish of driving that piece of garbage, it was worth it. The warranty would have been up soon, and I would have been out of pocket on any issues that would have arose. I bought myself a beautiful brand new car and vow never to buy English made crap again.
The reason why I am writing this is because as I am reading all of your posts, I feel your pain. It angers me that Land Rover accepts no responsibility for the mistakes they have made and will not compensate the public for their pain and out of pocket expenses due to Land Rover's errors. I have tried to write to the papers and any news agencies, but it seems that no one wants to pick-up this story. I would urge everyone to try to contact their Attorney General and see if they can rectify the situation, as the one in my State was going to.
Good luck and I hope you all find a way to fix your situations,
Elizabeth
Just to let you know, there have not been improvements made. I have a 2005 with all the same coolant and engine problems you've had. I have 41,000 miles and my dealer just put in a new engine. I was still under warranty. Actually they put in 2. The first one turned out to be no good, so they put in another they had ordered for someone else. I'm just glad I didn't have to pay the $7500+.
Good luck,
Sue
Again my 2003 Freelander is in the shop. I have been told that the coolant could be leaking into the engine. This comes after years of fixing hoses, heater cores and the list goes on. I also found out that the company that made the engines for the Freelanders are no longer in business! I'm assuming because of all of the problems. Not sure if anyone was aware of this. I was told that if they go into the engine and they do not find the leak, I will be responsible for the labor ($1100.00). If they find the leak it will be covered by my warranty. I don't think I should have to pay just because they are searching for the problem and they are unable to find it.
Keeping my fingers crossed,
-S
Flash
I didnt get the extended warranty, and basically now have to go through a routine of adding coolant each time I drive, getting oil changes about every 2 weeks to drain all the emulsified fluids, have been getting the cylinder misfires periodically, where if I ride it on 3 cynliders for a little it warms up the engine oil and then will fire all 6.
I just thought I'd share my story, since so many others have done so. I was told by a friend that I apparently have been lucky to get it to ride 93,000 miles, and that this regiment of things I have to do really has been only in the past 9 months that the engine misfires and leak has gotten to this awful point (it was alot more tolerable a year ago, when was requring oil change, adding coolant about every 30 days).
If a class-action lawsuit was to be filed, please add my name on the list.
Here's to hoping that I can get another month or even week out of this Freelander. There's alot of forums discussing this, so this is apparently a complete design flaw, and an issue especially warranting class action status.
I appreciate everyone else's stories, they at least make me feel like I'm not alone with this problem, for whatever its worth.
Disappointed Land Rover Freelander SE 2002 Owner!
I've been told that I was lucky to even get 93,000 miles out of this piece of sh*t vehicle. I dont feel lucky, I feel cheated that I bought the Freelander and all it is now is a 2000 Pound Paperweight. I have to now go out an purchase another vehicle, and never again will it be a Land Rover product.
I tried contacting an attorney who was mentioned/linked earlier in this or another forum, he basically helps only when owners waste money replacing the engine or trying to repair the head gasket for thousands of dollars. I am not wasting my money trying to fix what I have seen and am told is un-fixable, just getting a different car. Very frustrating all of this is.
purchased it from the dealer, it was a loaner car for the company at 9500 miles. Got ,what i thought, was a good deal. Did notice the yearly brake replacement and costly oil changes. at around 45000 miles, the car loosing water weekly. filled it up weekly, took it to the dealers, they did a diagnostic and said nothing was found. Took it home, in a week, it was overheating, couldn't drive to the dealer, took it to my mechanic, they replaced expansion tank and hoses. Problem still occurred. Back to the dealer, said the NEW expansion tank was leaking, replaced NEW parts all over. Noticed car was still leaking water, just every 2 weeks, not weekly. Back to the dealer, at this point they thought i was crazy! Fluid was INSIDE of the car. Coolant had been leaking into my passenger side, floor mat was drenched. Showed the service "professionals" they finally believed me found that heater core was leaking, replaced that. Oh, and my regulator on my back window was out, window was not going up and down, so they replaced that too. no problems until right after my warranty expired. in the last month, i paid $2000 for replacement timing belts, all of the and a new starter. And now the regulator on the other side window is broken and not working. At 55700 miles, that car is costing me more every month than my rent! I will contact my attorney regarding all of this, thanks for posts and info. I hope SOMETHING CAN BE DONE!
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This was the worst vehicle I have ever owned, including the old used car I got when I was 18yrs old. I hope and believe there will be a Freelander Class Action Lawsuit eventually, but will probably be years from now, at least that was what the attorney said. He also said you can try to sue Land Rover for the repair costs incurred, but its an uphill battle. He suggested getting rid of the vehicle quickly, as did the dealership mechanic that I spoke with in December. Everyone apparently knows this vehicle is junk, but us, or we do now.
Also, does anyone else constantly smell coolant? One of the Land Rover dealerships confessed they use cheap plastic parts and that's why you smell it so bad.
And why does it cost $100 for just an oil change? I'm trading this car in as soon as my brakes are fixed before something else breaks. Sunroof motor was bad when I bought it, they replaced it but now I'm afraid to use it. This car has got to go. Thought this would be a quality car. I'll never buy another Land Rover or recommend to anyone.
Yes, the brake pads wear out fairly quickly on these Freelanders, I would wear through pads every 15,000 miles and the sales rep who sold me the car said it was normal as the weight of the vehicle was so heavy. I had to replace pads at every 15,000 miles and have the rotors re-cut at every 30,000 miles (rotors replaced at 50,000 miles).
That smell of coolant that you mention is the more serious problem alot of people, including myself, have experienced. If you are smelling coolant, you seriously should check your oil cap to see if you notice coolant in the oil and/or you should also notice your coolant overflow level dropping slowly over a 20-30 day period, which is the Head Gasket Failure issue many, many of us have had.
Once the Head Gasket Failure starts to happen, you will only get so long before it fails completely and the vehicle is done.
I seriously would suggest trading it in now or as soon as possible and get a different vehicle while you can. Once the coolant/Head Gasket Failure happens, you might get another 9 months out of it before it completely over-heats and seizes.
You are correct to never buy another Land Rover again. Get rid of it while you can!
We are currently in a battle with an extended warranty company that would not cover the variable intake motor power valves that went out on the thing with less than 50,000 miles on it. We had to replace them to the tune of almost $700. We will probably never buy a Land Rover again either.
Let us know if anyone knows anything about a lawsuit against Land Rover for their crappy design of this vehicle!
The engine light warning was gone and I had a pleasant long drive home. The next day the service engine light soon light came on again. They must of missed something with their 99 point inspection. That obviously was disappointing beyond belief, considering the fact that the whole point of taking the vehicle their was to make sure that anything involved with that warning light was supposed to be corrected. I now have to make another long trip back to the dealer, and I am not too impressed with their service anyway. I thought Land Rover was the best. At the dealership, well at least mine, they expect me to just shell out thousands of dollars with no remorse. The employees were rather rude, and I noticed that none of them drive a Land Rover, Jaguar, or Volvo; although they are the brands that are sold and serviced there. Even my 07 loaner was a lemon as well. At the dealership they try to calm me and pamper me with free food and refreshments. All the free food at the dealership will never compensate for being without my car. After all I did not go there to eat, and all I want is my car fixed right, if that is possible with this thing.
Personally, I will never buy another Land Rover. They are like German tiger tanks from WWII. They are big, intimidating, and sophisticated, yet they are impractical, over-engineered, and inefficient. My car may look nice, but what is the use of it, if I am not able to drive it.
The Freelander was discontinued in 2006 and there are no more engines produced, so if you do have a Head Gasket Failure, they would be trying to fix basically a piece of [non-permissible content removed] engine, at a cost of $4000-$5000. None of this is worth the money.
I will tell you, I did get those synthetic oil changes, but it made no difference at all, didnt help prevent the Head Gasket Failure one bit. If you are doing that to meet warranty requirements, ok, but once I had the Head Gasket issue, non-synthetic oil at Jiffy Lube for the last few months I had the vehicle worked just fine.
I was told by the Land Rover mechanic at my nearby dealership to simply Trade In the vehicle as soon as possible. I couldnt do so due to a loan that had another year and 1/2 on it at the time.
An attorney I spoke with said I could sue for costs incurred, but I found it better to not waste the money trying to replace the engine and incur more than the $3000 I already had spent. I bought a different car subsequently, a small sedan that serves me just fine after this horrible experience.
If the lawsuit is still going on, you can count us in on being a part of the suit.
Thanks
Brandon & Ruben
I called LR for help, the customer service rep said ther is nothing they can do about the POOR Quality of their product, CSR suggested that I take the car to the nearest dealer so that I can be hosed again for problems they can't fix. I will NEVER buy another Land Rover product and will tell all about the Poor Quality, Workmanship and Service that I received from the company and vehicle. As I read all talking about a Class Action Law Suit we will be OLD and GRAY or DEAD before we see any JUSTICE. :lemon