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Again, I have no problem with people testing out their cars to the limit on say an abandoned runway. Because if anything happened, they die alone. However, driving 140+ mph on a highway with other people is just simply stupid. If you want to risk your life that's fine but don't drag other innocent folks with you.
Have I done 130+ mph? Heck yeah. But again that was on an abandoned construction site...
It is time to drop this whole line of conversation; we've beaten it into the ground. Let's move on.
Now that you've insulted many of the readers...
Actually driving 130+ mph on public roads isn't proper no matter how young you are. If you have an accident and cause no harm to anyone other than yourself, the police have to becalled, the paramedics services have to be invoked, the hospitals have to be used and bill probably paid by others who do pay their bills for covering the several injuries and months of recuperation, the nursing home costs-same thing. It does involve the public even if only you are there and hurt.
Perhaps the silliness in TN last weekend with a drag racer burning out at high speeds with the public lining both sides of a public street can serve as an example. I heard the drag racer's father blaming the people in the crowd... Huh? Actually I feel the city and police have a high culpability here. We'll see if attorneys pick up on that.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I only point out that the Azera is capable of those types of speeds. The tires are V rated and it did feel very stable to me. I have no idea of what its real top end is, or how well designed it is to do those kinds of speeds. It may be that it can well handle 150+ plus speeds, but I am not out to prove it to myself or anyone else. I would be curious for one of the car mag's to actually run it all out and see how it does at even higher speeds. I am guessing that with most cars having limiters, that it is one of very few sedans that could even hit 150 these days (not counting the German makes).
So, I believe that top speed (stock) is instructive for consumers, but not necessarily a goal to achieve for drivers.
Without knowing the circumstances of my doings, they are simply assuming that I put others at risk with my forays into the 100+ mph range. Just to clarify, this was done on a very long stretch of road (very well known to myself), with very limited access from side streets, no traffic lights, calm weather and most of all...NO OTHER CARS!!!
Times that I have attempted to reach 130+ mph, if I saw a car ahead...I aborted until another time. So I don't need anyone to preach to me about how morally unacceptable it is to drive MY car at any speed above 100 mph. There is NOBODY that posts in any of these forums that is 100% morally perfect.
Tell me, louiswei, why is the discussion about how fast the Azera can go or how quickly it goes from 0-60 is just so stupid? 0-60 times have been spoken about before in THIS forum...it's one of the things folks look at when buying a car becuase it is something that is put out there.
The only reason the top speed issue came about for me is because I mentioned that I prefer to find out what any vehicle I own is capable of so that I know how it acts in any given situation. Knowing your vehicle completely and how it would responde to any given variable is one of the BEST ways to drive defensively because you have the confidence of knowing what your car can and can't do.
Everyone has taken my posts to think that run out here and do this type of stuff in the middle of rush hour traffic, or on a road with a bunch of stop lights, or in the city around a bunch of pedestrians. I can understand if I said I was on I-95 at 3:00 p.m. doing this type of thing...yeah, that should raise some eyebrows and have folks ripping me a new one. I am 36, not 16...I do know the importance of safety of others as well as my own safety. If I didn't think I was capable or my vehicle was capable and the place where I was accomodating...I wouldn't do it.
Huh... I think that we touch on most of the cars in the discussion. The Azera owners definitely are passionate about their cars so they tend to speak up when someone mentions them. That's a good thing!
Do you read this forum often? We have had lengthy discussions that didn't even involve the Azera.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
entirely different things - acceleration times whether they be 0-60 or 5-60 and even 40 or 50-70 do have some real life and real driving situation applications. Spending a whole lot of time arguing about even a few tenths of a second one way or the other also means very very little except on a dragstrip. I assure you that buyers of sedans in this class have little interest in 'pink slip' racing. Go to a Mustang GT forum for that kind of stuff...
The differences in drivability, however, among the cars in this forum between say an Avalon, Azera, or a Maxima vs. something like a Lucerne 3.8 , the 300 2.7, the 200hp Optima, and/or the old 500 is significant and IMO should mean something to most buyers in this group.
Personally, if you don't like a particular conversation, don't contribute to it. There have been several in this forum that I have stayed out of simply because I didn't care for that conversation or feel I had anything to contribute to it. Simply put, if I don't like it...I leave it alone and either start a conversation for wait until one comes up that I feel I can contribute to.
If you don't like rap music, are you going to complain about it or play what you like and just not listen to it?
I like your wording there... what's funny is that there are many people that will disagree with you, saying that those vehicles have plenty of power.
Recently on a Fusion test drive with my Stepdad he thought the V6 was fine and considering he is driving a 4cyl Camry it felt strong. Now when I told him that the same engine was in the 500 he realized why I always said the resaon I didn't buy one was it was underpowered.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
And when they are all done producing that new updated Maxima, I will bet it still won't measure up to the current Azera!
If hyundai were producing a superior vehicle, to vehicles in this forum , then their 3.8 should produce 330+ hp like nissan does in 3.7.
The only difference in your part is that you couldn't wait to rub it in to all Azera owners!
Your remark proves it!
It boggles my mind what some peoples agenda are!
How truly sad! :confuse:
FYI.
My buddy has a Maxima and I have an Azera.
You see we truly BOTH enjoy our cars and truly both respect each others decision in our purchases.
No-one rubs anyones face in.
Regards,
Really? Had not read anything about this, what are the specs if you know, wonder if they are going to use the direct injected FSE variant and my big question WHY? The car is already the quickest (and most economical) in its category! IMO, if they do use the FSE at something like the 300hp+ they get in the IS, it may be too much for a FWD layout. One of the things that I appreciate most about my current Avalon is that it doesn't display any of that torque steer common to many higher HP FWD sedans
500Taurus.What magazine were you reading that said the Veracruz build quality matched it's low price??? Every article I've read on the Veracruz has given it very good marks in build quality. I know because it was on our list when we looked for a CUV to buy. We ended up getting the Saturn Outlook...anyway. The Veracruz costs close to $40K fully loaded, that makes it the most expensive Hyundai to date and price-wise...runs with most of the other cross-over vehicles out there. I'm beginning to believe that you're just a Hyundai hater.
MSN Veracruz Article
Autobytel Verazruz blurb
Car & Driver Veracruz Article
Motor Trend Veracruz Article
You would only like driving a Maxima if you like the hard sport tuned suspension it has to offer. For the younger crowd that likes to zoom and zip along, it's perfect. For the sedate, mature crowd...a nice highway cruiser fits the bill...and the Azera accomplishes that goal competently.
Hyundai Lambda eninges can be tuned upwards of 300hp+ - FYI. The emphasis was more on fuel economy than horsepowers. Also, the 3.7 on the G37 is not moving over to Nissan Maxima anytime soon, at least not to my knowledge.
The article I am referring to is about Santa fe comparison with murano and highlander.
Now allmet. Mature people are buying BMWs exactly for it. To enjoy their ride.
I have 1994 Buick as my second car But its not as much fun to drive as Maxima. Plus since I drive over 100 miles daily I needed reliable car and maxima proved to be one. So far with over 40k miles not a single glitch.
Care to link us the article?
AFAIK, almost every review/comparison has given high overall grade to the Santa Fe vs. the competition.
People who by BMW's want performance and that's exactly what BMW offers. It has nothing to do with being mature because if you recall your poll of the average age of Azera owners...there were a lot of mature folks buying Azeras.
Glad to hear your Max is proving to be the reliable daily driver you need it to be. With about 37K miles on my Azera, it has proven be very reliable as well.
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"can be disabled but only thru the most convoluted sequence of brake and parking brake applications known to mankind"
Couldn't have said that better myself, I actually keep a copy of the instructions, in the unlikely event that I have to shut it off if I get stuck in the snow.
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
"Another leap for Hyundai in quality and design--does just about everything well."
Motor Trend Santa Fe Article
Motor Trend Genesis Article
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
2023 Mercedes EQE 350 4Matic / 2022 Ram 1500 Bighorn, Built to Serve
Shoulda rented one with the AWD (which means it would've had the CVT) . . then you wouldn't have experienced that problem. :P
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/112_0703_crossover_suv_comparison
I know that Hyundai lovers will be talking about Genesis, but this not the car I am looking forward to currently.
2008 CTS AWD with new 3.6
2008 G8 with v8 - which falls into large category with length of 196". The competition between Hemi and GM 6.0 V8 is heating up. In Holden it does 0-60 in 5.7. US version with all extra weight will be probably 5.8-5.9. Can you handle Hopefully price will be 25-35K.
BTW in reference to 3.7 in Maxima, look at history of nissan and infinity and you can see that once new engine is introduced for Infinity usually next year Nissan vehicles get same engine. 370Z is obviously first, followed by Maxima and Altima. One thing I cannot find info about anywhere is whether it will be in a current form or will be in the next generation Maxima. Looking into Maxima's history -3 yr and redesign, then 2 yrs. So we can say that 09 maxima will come in at the end of 08.
Funny how folks read an entire article and will pull one negative thing out and automatically...it's a bad vehicle! LOL
Oh yeah, Alexstore...I've been paying attention to the Maximas I've been seeing here in the DC Metro area since our discussions started. One thing I've noticed...a vast majority of them are being driven by women now. Seems the guys are abandoning them and jumping into the new Altimas with a bit more power. Why not, almost the same room, more engine and fully loaded comes in around what a Maxima would run anyway. Yeah...I'd go for the Altima too.