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Fit it too radical of a downsizing, I think you'll feel very cramped, even though it is space efficient for its size.
-juice
-juice
One reply included the statement:
"Toyota AValon is not much better on gas than the Tahoe"
You wrote you're getting 13 city/17 hwy with your Tahoe. Our Avalon is getting mid to upper 20's overall MPG in what I'd term "hill country suburban" driving. Pure highway is 30+. Judge for yourself if that's "not much better . . . "
Anyway, try and figure in ALL the costs when you're buying a new car . . . in my opinion, seldom will it pay to replace a decent vehicle with a new one just to improve fuel economy, once you figure in the additional cost, lost interest on your money, etc.
3500 city miles
Max A/C (otherwise A/C won't cool if vehicle is driven slow or at a stop)
running on #2 fan setting most of the time.
Overall so far 21.6 mpg
3500 city miles
Max A/C (otherwise A/C won't cool if vehicle is driven slow or at a stop)
running on #2 fan setting most of the time.
Overall so far 21.6 mpg
I feel bad for people who spent all that money on the Hybrid and get less in return than a simple gasser Honda CR-V gets.
2005 CR-V EX manual, 26 mpg city with no A/C, 24 mpg City with A/C on.
-juice
Overall combined average this year is 16 mpg.
No, as you still have to spin the transfer case gears, and the disconnected wheels still need to spin driveshafts and differential, unless you got manual hubs, even when disconnected at the transfer case.
Not as bad as a full time system with the center differential, but not as good as a 4x2.
Tim C
Based on real world MPG: Any suggestions on which SUV to go for? Don't want another hybrid they're not worth the extra cost for what you actually get -- but I'm just about convinced I'm gonna buy a 2008 2.4L 4 cyl Toyota RAV4 Sport.
I'd like to hear from other SUV owners out there if there are other models I should consider?
Thanks!
Honestly, I think a 4Runner would be better suited to that task.
If I could afford to feed it, I'd get a Tundra so I could also haul a trailer. But whatever I buy will be my every day vehicle, so no Tundra for now.
Not hauling trailer with this vehicle -- but depending on whether I got an aluminum or steel trailer, it'd probably be upwards of 5000# with horse on board.
Feeding a horse will definitely cramp your style when it comes to feeding a truck.
There's 3 horses within a block of me - the owners all try to work some overtime now and then, lol. They all have trailers and big honking pickups too.
Plus, if gas hits $8 per gallon you can just ride the horse to work.
21 mpg and a 2006 Honda CRV AWD EXL (wife's car) which only does slightly
better at 22 mpg.On a trip the CRV does 27 mpg and the Toyota 24 mpg.I think
the CRV is slow when merging but the Toyota is fast by comparison.One thing
I wish the CRV had is Automatic Climate control it is not even offered.If I could only
keep one it would be the Highlander cause of better everything.Of course it's MSRP
was $36k vs the CRV at $26k.You get what you pay for.If I could have gotten another Highlander for $26k I would have.
Lemme do a quick check...fitzmall.com has them for as little as $25,581. Of course that's FWD and not many options...
Please keep us informed on your mileage as well as the type of driving.
I'm considering a Pathfinder 4WD.
Thanks,
Kip
Highway MPG @ 65 is around 32 MPG.
This current tank is all in town, presently at 33 MPG.
low: 22 mpg
avg: 24-26 mpg usually, with mostly around town driving
Took a trip and in a friendly competition my wife got 30.0mpg in one direction, while I only managed 27.0mpg coming back on the same path.
Maybe I was going uphill.
She'll probably never let me hear the end of it.
Gas- on a fairly level stretch of I-90 and in 40 miles got 20.0 mpg (no wind, not using AC). In Wisconsin where the interstate is 65mph I actually drove that speed and got 22mpg. I get around 14-15 in what I'd call summer suburban driving. [Winter using remote start warmups drops to 13mpg in the city].
E85- MPG varies from around 13 in town to 17 on a hilly 60mph 2 lane road.
I got 16mpg 70 mph freeway that measured earlier at 19mpg w/gas which works out to 16/19 or 16% less than gas. Net: I am slightly ahead with E85, 8% savings or on a $150/mon gas bill I save $12. Not a big deal and still harder to find stations.
If you want more details see posting 85-86 of the above mentioned Jeep forum
naatz1, "Jeep Grand Cherokee Real World MPG" #76, 2 Dec 2007 3:26 pm
Oh yes, you can get super deals on these now even $1-2k lower than the Chrysler supplier discounts and rebates we got last Fall, so if you -need- it for safe winter driving and your hobbies (boat or camper pulling, backroad hunting) don't give up.
Highway @ 68 MPH, 33.3 MPG
Make topics for 8, 6 and 4 cylinder SUVs separate so we don't need to be reading smart a.. comments/posts of small toy truck drivers under the real full size SUV topics.
In my opinion Ford Escape is not a SUV. It is like raised up Dodge nitro.
Arrie
Nevertheless, we are open to comments from others regarding a split.
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
A friends Expedition with it's 5.4 liter V8 simply will not go some of the places that our much smaller 4WD CR-V will, with it's 2.4L 4 cylinder. Our CR-V won't do the same job as our son's Grand Cherokee, with it's very sophisticated 4WD system.
To say the largest are true SUV and the smaller are simply toys is like saying only Great Danes and other dogs that size are "true dogs" while the smaller Pit Bull, Rottweiler, and German Shepherds are not. :sick:
True SUVs were designed to extend to family haulers the ability to carry more people and gear, more comfortably on and off road than units such as the Jeep Wrangler and a couple of others. Emphasis on Utility. Although Jeep introduced some earlier "SUV" models, before the phrase "Sport Utility Vehicle" became popular, the Cherokee was by far the most popular. It's drive train was pretty much identical to that of the Wrangler sized Jeeps. Many came with 4 cylinder engines.
A big roaring V8 doesn't make a vehicle more of an SUV. Smaller size doesn't make one a "Toy". It is simply more efficient at certain jobs.
Maybe we need to toss out anything that is not a 4WD, instead of discriminating because of size. :shades:
Kip
I suspect you drive a large body-on-frame SUV. I'm a bit surprised you compared a Ford product to a Dodge product. :confuse:
Nevertheless, we are open to comments from others regarding a split. "
Well, here is my comment. When the manufacturers stop calling them SUVs, then people should stop posting here. The auto companies now use the term CUV when it is in fact a Crossover, but they still call my Escape (and the CR-V, and the RAV4, as examples) SUVs.
I suppose you could make three discussions: small, medium, and large SUV gas mileage. That would be fine with me, and might narrow the comparisons for people interested in mileage.
I almost asked that person who complained if he/she drove a huge SUV by him/herself, and was getting the usual 10 MPG city / 16 highway. But I chose not to pose that question... :surprise:
Yes, I drive a full size Tahoe. In my opinion it is waste of time and topic space to compare 4 cylinder "toy trucks" to full size trucks under the same topic. We all know, I hope, what for example Ford Escape use a lot less fuel than a Tahoe. Why talk about them under the same topic.
I always thought that this forum site is meant to be helping the users. It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it. Now it is just a big mess under one topic and all I see the small toy truck drivers bragging about their 30+ MPG performance on those 4 cylinder engines. Go pull a 20 ft trailer with it and see how it does... Tools and toys are separate issues.
Myself I would be interested hearing from other full size SUV drivers what they have done for gas mileage improvement or what they think about it but current "Feel free to participate" topic does not serve for this.
It would be very good if there was Full, Mid and Small size SUV topics, i.e. for 8, 6 and 4 cylinder engines.
Arrie
Sorry but that's the plain truth.
For the sake of comparison.
>"It would help much better if there was only full size SUVs under one topic, middle size under another and small ones under their own so people interested of hearing others of what they have done to help fuel mileage could benefit from it."
For those like yourself, there is a Tahoe Real World MPG forum. If that isn't good enough, you can start your own thread within this forum or even start a new forum. You could entitle it Real world MPG for Large Gas Guzzling SUVs Only.
You could go even farther and in the first post list the Vehicles and equipment that are allow to participate.
Go for it.
Kip
Then they'd be too embarassed to post at all.
Having said that MotorWeek just tested the Durango hybrid. They got 19mpg. Their Tahoe hybrid managed 20 mpg.
$45 grand for the Durango hybrid, and $50 grand for the Tahoe hybrod. Ouch.
The Chevy 20mpg offerings is a good step, but I'm looking for a giant leap.
DRIVE ONE !
It is rated to tow 4500# and seat 8 people. The 4WD models are primarily FWD but the rear wheels kick in if the front slips. This is done with electric clutches. If real slippery the two rear wheels can be locked together with a button, for super traction at low speeds.
Our 03 (with 4WD) is great on gas, considering it's size. It doesn't have the variable displacement feature like the newer ones. It runs on 6 cylinders all the time.
I'm a conservative driver. Locally the Pilot delivers 17-19 mpg. On the road the mileage varies with speed.
A trip of nearly 400 miles with 4 people and luggage at 80+ mph yielded 18 mpg.
Return trip the next day with the same load but at 60-65 mph yielded 26+ mpg.
A round trip of nearly 1100 miles at 60+ MPH with me and the wife yielded 27+ mpg. I was really trying hard for mileage on this one.
Most trips at 70 MPH with the two of us and AC generally averages 23-24 mpg.
Yeah, I realize that is considerably more than the EPA ratings. But we get it. Odometer is correct within 1%.
Just drive one.
Kip