2008 Pontiac G8

white6 · January 2008

Perhaps more oranges to tangarines.

While I don't completely disagree with you, I think Genesis is definitely more luxury-oriented (as opposed to the sport-oriented G8) and will be significantly more expensive (comparably equipped). Last I saw, loaded Genesis V8 will be $40,000+, as opposed to $33,000 for loaded G8 GT. I think they're aiming more at Lexus ES (think Veracruz vs. RX350).

circlew · January 2008

The story will be if the guys and gals that appreciate performance at a reasonable price point grab either the Genesis or G8. Only a handful of the 9 billion+ population can afford Mercedes and BMW's. If these cars perform and are dependable, that's lust enough for the masses! The key is if the dealers/manufacturers don't screw it up playing with the supply chain and price.

Regards,
OW

paisan · January 2008

Is there a Navi option available on the G8 GT?

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

rayainsw · January 2008

paisan · January 2008

Hmm that may knock it out of the box for me. I have a Garmin but I'd much prefer a built in system in my next new car.

Otherwise the car is starting to grow on me.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

rayainsw · January 2008

You are not the only one ...
And as discussed, there are several other items "missing" from the G8
- items that were available on previous Pontiac models
that sold at similar prices.
(( sigh ))
- Ray
HUD, for example........

paisan · January 2008

anything else I missed? Hud I can do without, been there, done that, got the t-shirt, pretty much waste of technology I think.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

rayainsw · January 2008

XM.

mr215 · January 2008

The genesis is going to be a cheaper version of the LS460. It competes with the G8 on some level but its not a sports sedan. The G8 is a sports sedan with aggressive styling while the Genesis is a traditional RWD luxury sedan with derivative styling. I do not see G8 fans being interested in the Hyundai even though the Hyundai will have impressive value. Furthermore, Hyundai is only planning to sell 25k cars in the first year so its not like this is a high volume player that will make life difficult for the G8. On top of that as many have noted the loaded Genesis is likely to cost around $40k, if not more. That is very high for a Hyundai.

mr215 · January 2008

G8 also lacks memory seats and 8 way drivers seat. They definitely put more emphasis on performance than luxury.

qbrozen · January 2008

And that's the one that may hurt it for me. I've only ever been in 1 car without an 8-way seat that I found comfy. So the G8's 6-way seat is going to have to be a damned good one.

circlew · January 2008

Agreed...that would be a major consideration. The 3-series sport seat would be a good model for Holden to copy for a future upgrade. It is absolutely great.

Regards,
OW

mr215 · January 2008

8 way vs 6 way isnt an issue of comfort, its convenience. It just means there is no power recline. The seat would still be exactly the same with 8 way control.

qbrozen · January 2008

How do you know this? Is this a standard chevy thing?

I thought it read "6-way" seat. Meaning there IS NO 8th adjustment, not that there is an 8th adjustment but its just manual.

So, the way I am reading this is that you have a recline, a slide, and an up-and-down to get your 6 ways. An 8-way seat, on the other hand, has 2 separate up-and-downs for the rear of the seat and the front of the seat. This makes a world of difference for someone 6' 5".

captain2 · January 2008

It competes with the G8 on some level but its not a sports sedan
how do you suppose that Hyundai can market the Genesis as a low cost alternative to things like those German sedans - and not be a 'sports sedan' ? If anything I would guess that the Korean car might just do a better job at 'sport sedan emulation' then GM would in a full size Pontiac. A simple comparison of the specs. confirms this - but some actual cars would definitely help.
And absolutely, $40k is more than anybody is going to want to spend on something with that 'Hyundai' label which is why some traditional Korean deep discounting, PDQ. Both the G8 and Genesis may actually fetch a reasonably high price initially - but once the novelty wears thin and the reality of $4 gas hits, they will end up having to 'give' the cars away.....

rayainsw · January 2008

How do you know this? Is this a standard chevy thing?

I thought it read "6-way" seat. Meaning there IS NO 8th adjustment, not that there is an 8th adjustment but its just manual.

FWIW: The specs for the 2007 Corvette, both standard & optional sport seats, read: 6-way [ power].

They move for \ aft as well as front or rear of seat bottom up \ down individually  but the backrest angle is manual.

Id be pretty amazed if the G8 didnt have the ability to move the seat bottom front & rear \ angle in the same way.

And that would absolutely be a deal breaker for me. Though I am not as tall, I do need that adjustability to vary thigh support  particularly on longer trips.

Again, FWIW.

- Ray
Not quite near enough to the NAIAS to visit on a whim, just to find this out . . .

qbrozen · January 2008

I'll be going to the NAIAS in NY, but that's a ways off still.

I wonder if they'll have one to actually sit in.

bigelm · January 2008

Rumor has it that GM will offer bluetooth and Nav for MY09. The issue with bluetooth is that they are having issues with their On Star and the Nav is because they offer a 'similar' feature with turn by turn On Star as well (so they say).

Back to comparisons, I only see very few similarities for competition between the Genesis and G8. More luxury vs. more performance. Hyundai has already mentioned that they are targeting this vehicle as the halo luxury model. Yes, it needs the HP output to compete but performance is not their intended market. Will people cross shop? YES!

paisan · January 2008

I think that the Genesis will be tuned much more for luxury than the G8. The suspension will be softer and floatier, and the NVH significantly better. These are the things that folks who are shopping luxury look for. The G8 (hopefully) will have a significantly stiffer suspension, and thus better handling.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

elias · January 2008

the GTO-naro driver & passenger seat each have power-recline so i bet the G8's will too.

bigelm · January 2008

The seats are 6 way power (optional) which means you get Fwd-Rear, Front up/dwn, and rear up/dwn with a manual recline. The heat switch is in the center console.

This is quoted from someone who was at the NAIAS prior to public showing. So Mike, I believe you mentioned this setup on the Corvette? - Then you're right. There's also a pic where the rear armrest comes down, then the second membrane for cup holders - problem is when you use the cup holders, the pass thru is open which your rear passengers can access your trunk. If things are not tied down back there, then you're in for a treat.

I found the pics:

http://www.hammen.net/bowman/rear_armrest.jpg

http://www.hammen.net/bowman/pass_thru.jpg

mr215 · January 2008

The two cars are not aimed at the same market. No one here thinks that except you apparently. The Hyundai is supposed to be a cheaper version of the S or LS, its not a 550 competitor. If you know anything about Hyundais you know they tend to skew towards ride over handling. They are more interested in gunning for Toyota than BMW. As for gas prices, both cars offer V6 engines so its not like they can only be had with gas guzzling V8s. Furthermore, if you actually look at the mileage on the G8 Gt you will see its only slightly worse than the G35. Do you think G35 sales will collapse when gas gets more expensive? There are a number of V6 luxury cars that get 1-2 better mileage than the G8 GT with far less power and torque.

rayainsw · January 2008

One can certainly choose to compare anything to anything, I suppose.

Regarding my reading of the EPA MPG, comparing the G8 GT w/6.0L V8 to a G35 w/3.5L V6 seems somewhat unfair, to me, given the existence of the M45. Much closer in weight & in HP & in performance. ( And fuel economy I see as one aspect of performance. )

And yet, the G35 is rated at exactly the same EPA highway MPG as the G8 GT V8. 24 MPG. And the M45 is rated at 16 \ 21.

That 21 number ( and associated high RPM at highway speeds ) is one primary reason that I did not choose an M45 last time I was shopping for a Sports Sedan. Though ( again ) the M certainly has much to recommend it.

And I see the highway number as much more important. Stop + go, lower speed driving, with lots of ( opportunities for ) acceleration tends to be an area where the nut that holds the wheel has much more occasion to [ dramatically ] impact actual MPG.

Many ( including some here ) have suggested that anyone looking at a 4,000# sedan with a 6.0L V8 cannot possibly be ( should not be ) concerned with MPG. I do happen to care. In addition to a desire for what I consider a reasonable trade-off between acceleration performance, carrying capacity & efficiency, I also look at driving range.

To me, a difference of 21 to 24 ( 3 MPG = over 14% better ) in highway MPG is also the difference of over 50 miles in range, on 18 gallons of gas. ( To be fair here, the M45 does have a 20 gallon tank vs. 19 for the G8  so if you run both leaving approx. 1 gallon in reserve, the G8 will only be able to travel an additional 33 miles. But the M45 will then require an additional 2 or 3 cups of hot & tasty coffee worth of gas when filled. Each time it is filled, under these conditions. )

- Ray
Looking forward to fuel use reports from actual customers in actual driving . . . Maybe next month?

mr215 · January 2008

G8 will be in next issue of C&D.

paisan · January 2008

If you guys really think that a 6.0L v8 will get comparable milage to a V6 I'm a monkey's uncle! My guess is that the 24mpg was obtained at a constant highway speed of 65mph, w/o so much as a downshift or acceleration attempt. Similar to the GTO, Transam, etc. with the 6 speed transmissions. Once you get on a gas a bit that # will drop down I'm afraid. Not that I'm complaining but let's be honest.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

qbrozen · January 2008

as will the EX35 and Dodge Challenger ... if the teaser in the survey from C&D is accurate.

captain2 · January 2008

I think that the Genesis will be tuned much more for luxury than the G8
Don't believe so- or at least not if Hyundai is thinking the car is a Euro 'sports sedan' competitor. Of course Hyundai is the one that has the chutzpah to compare the Sonata to a 3 series.
Since this is a G8 forum though - think it will be a big mistake if GM 'tunes' the car like a skateboard. It is a large heavy sedan and should play to those that need a big 'family' sedan but also has some fond memories of the 'muscle car' past. An older demographic (like me) for sure but also one that historically has shown to prefer the softer highway cruisers - one of the reasons why cos. like Toyota/Lexus sell so well in this country. If the G8 is that stiffly sprung 'skateboard' it will lose any chance it might have to appeal to the masses and will relegate itself more into the category of a low volume curiosity or 'speciality' car.
Back on the subject of REAL gas mileage - the 300Cs ratings are one of the biggest jokes in the industry simply because DOD ,which is obviously designed to maximize things on a simple constant (and relatively low ) highway speeds still does not reflect the way we actually drive. It has nothing to do with what the G8 might do in a laboratory, but more to do with what happens when you actually use the accelerator - something that is hard to avoid in 350hp sedans! Don't believe the G8 V8 is going to anywhere close to say a M35 FE wise, more likely what the M45 does. It will be interesting to see what percentage of G8 buyers opt for the 3.6 V6 and FTM how many of the cars end up at the airport.

white6 · January 2008

EPA mileage ratings changed pretty drastically for MY2008, supposedly to better reflect "real-life" driving. Complaints that the advertised mileage numbers were far from accurate (especially in hybrids) prompted adjustments in procedures and calculations used starting on MY2008 vehicles. As a result, I think 24 mpg highway is probably more accurate than you might think. My 2004 A4 GTO averaged 20 mpg in everyday driving (mostly rural highway and interstate, with maybe 20% in-town) and it was rated at 16/21 by the old, less-accurate system. Keep in mind the G8 has a 6-speed auto (reduces rpm at highway speeds) and AFM (I will admit I doubt it does anything at speeds over 65 mph). I don't think anyone said the V8 will get V6 economy, just that some V6 "sports-sedans" don't get much better. But, as they say, your mileage may vary...

white6 · January 2008

Based on everything I have read about the Holden Commodore, I don't think you have to worry about the G8 riding like a Z06 Vette. I believe it will (and should) have a firm ride similar to Impala SS or BMW 550i w/sport package. Reports are that it is more than competitive with BMW, MB, Audi, etc. in ride, handling and NVH (noise, vibration, harshness). Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I firmly believe that Hyundia is squarely targeting Lexus (and Toyota) with Genesis, and not the German makes.

white6 · January 2008

It will be in the APRIL issue of Car&Driver, not March. So we have another month or so to wait.

rayainsw · January 2008

Perhaps you will be.
Perhaps you will not.

As posted, the EPA numbers ( and testing methodology ) are substantially changed for the 2008 Model Year.

Here are some details:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml

Of particular note in the G8 GT \ V8 context:

Beginning with 2008 models, three additional tests will be used to adjust the city and highway estimates to account for higher speeds, air conditioning use, and colder temperatures.

And:

High Speed: Represents city and highway driving at higher speeds with more aggressive acceleration and braking.

The EPA chart for High Speed included at the above link clearly shows speeds over 65 MPH & some more aggressive acceleration(s). Absolutely not a constant 65.

Since ( again \ still ) we do not have any real world reports from actual drivers of production G8s, we can only speculate  and my speculation ( guess ) is based on the following, several specific numbers:

Published GTO EPA numbers as they were at the time built.
Published GTO EPA numbers as they would have been under 2008 MY testing.
A comparison of known GTO & G8 trans. gearing \ final drive ratios & resulting RPM in highway cruising.
The fact that DoD \ AFM is included on the G8.

And the fact that although I do believe ( based on thousands of miles of driving a 2005 with ) GMs DoD that the whole engine \ trans. \ final drive gearing and DoD calibration was specifically selected to maximize EPA MPG  to some detriment in the real world, for those ( like me ) who often drove at highway speeds above those included in the old EPA test.

Where the G8s package is likely planned & implemented with the 2008 standards in mind. And highway speeds & acceleration rates more closely resembling what I often utilize, in my real world driving. I certainly hope so, at least.

We shall see.
- Ray

Some GTO numbers:

Pontiac GTO 8 cyl, 6 L, Automatic 4-spd, Premium
Under 2008 standards \ tests would have been:

A4 14 \ 19
14 city
19 hwy

Actual stickers were:

A4 16 \ 21
16 city
21 hwy

The GTO had no DoD \ AFM.

The GTO automatic was a 4 speed w/top ( fourth \ primary highway ) gear was 0.7:1:
Overall ratio: 2.42:1 ( final drive ratio: 3.46:1 )

G8 GT V8 A6 w/top ( sixth \ primary highway ) gear is 0.67:1:
Overall ratio: 1.95:1 ( final drive ratio: 2.92:1 )

qbrozen · January 2008

they are so far ahead i can't even tell anymore. Aren't they shipping the June issues about now. ;b

captain2 · January 2008

GMs DoD that the whole engine \ trans. \ final drive gearing and DoD calibration was specifically selected to maximize EPA MPG
as it is on Chrysler's 300c as well - and it doesn't really work as 'advertised' on that car either - the car will not hold a reasonable highway speed with the DoD engaged or on any semblance of hilly terrain. 14/19 I'll believe (roughly what the 300 has been doing) it's the 24 that would require a 120 mph tailwind, or a really flat freeway that it is still possible to drive 60 on.
DoD is nothing new BTW - those of us that have started to lose our hair will remember the Caddy V8-6-4s of the 80s that was a disaster and didn't last long. A 'gimmick' then - although the technology involved is certainly much more advanced - some things apparently never change.

surrfurtom · January 2008

No NAV, no bluetooth?

What is this ......a 2003 model year G-8?

You'd think GM with a brand new model would want to be on the leading edge of electronic design.....not on the lagging edge of a 5 year old typical GM "has been" vehicle.

NAV and blue tooth have been an available feature on drivers' cars for years and both are typically commonplace.

Obviously GM mgmt is still back in the 1990s and will always be blaming unions for their woes even the problem obviously is the CEO and managers that know nothing about what America wants.

I have a a 2003 DTS with NAV and night vision which was a rarity at the time, even though NAV then was common place on Euro and Lexus cars. The Caddy salespeople at the time couldn't even demo it. They still have the mindset of 75 year olds in bench seats, and so does GM as it is still in the 1990s.

I had considered this car because I wish to support the USA and purchase a contemporay high performance sedan ........ yet I'd now feel as though I'm regressing if I bought it. The problem with USA manufacturing are the incompetent corporate managers that are 20 years behind the times.

paisan · January 2008

Yup, Nav and bluetooth are pretty much standard fair these days. I'm really suprised at the G8. I want to like the car. We'll see if 09 has it. It's not like GM doesn't have touchscreen GPSs in their other cars, like the CTS or the GMC trucks.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

surrfurtom · January 2008

I agree that built-in navi should be provided.

Perhaps GM is attempting to sell On-Star, except IMHO it is not a substitute for an effective Nav system especially when you consider the cost of a yearly subscription. Besides I prefer controlling what I want when I want it and not through an external voice system such as On-Star. I currently have built in nav in a Caddy and an external Magellan that I use in my truck and wife's car. The Magellan has fewer quirks and is much less costly than the built-in.

Now you can buy a Magellan, etc. nav system that is just as functional as a OEM system for only $400. Actually it is far more functional as it can be used by the driver or passenger to query the system while the car is in motion. The downside to an add-on is that they normally don't have dead reckoning which tracks location by speed and gyroscope when a GPS signal isn't available as in a tunnel or in a city with tall buildings.

If the mfrs want to protect against liability yet make their NAV functional then put an interlock in that allows the passenger weight on the seat to make the system operational when in motion. I despise having to stop my Caddy to use the NAV to find the nearest hotel or rest..

nojets · January 2008

Surrfurtom is right on. It's insane not to offer navigation and bluetooth options in 2008. The folks that buy cars like this are not elderly bumkins who get confused by a cell phone, they are engineering and gadget oriented enthusiasts for whom this stuff is important. It's all too symtomatic of the US automobile industry, and GM in particular. I doubt GM listens to this kind of feedback however.

circlew · January 2008

I doubt GM listens to this kind of feedback however.

Same old story...that's why the competition is killing them.

Regards,
OW

paisan · January 2008

I'm not sure what anyone would need the dead reconning for. I live in Manhattan and both my Garmin and my PC based as well as the GPS in my Radar Detector all work in the deepest of Manhattans Canyons. The Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel has a GPS-retransmitter of sorts cause they work in there too. Generally if you are in a tunel there aren't exits (although I saw them in tunnels in Boston).

I won't let the lack of GPS stop me from getting a car but it's just something that would make it a complete package IMO.

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

paisan · January 2008

Of the G8 pace car during the Rolex 24 at Daytona. Nice looking car

-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host

white6 · January 2008

I agree, these should be options. Personally, I couldn't care less about either; but that's just because I don't need em. Lot's of folks want these features and it seems GM is missing out on lots of option dollars by not making them available. I read that the Holden model has nav, but the screen is too low in the dash to meet U.S. regulations :confuse: therefore wasn't made available on the G8. I would imagine the lack of Bluetooth has something to do with the car being engineered/built in Australia as well.

Interesting "updated" 2008 mileage numbers for the GTO; I averaged 20 mpg in daily driving in my 04 A4. I would expect my mileage in a G8 would be 15-20% better than the GTO.

Another advantage over GTO mileage will be running on regular instead of premium. That's the equivalent of getting 7-10% better mileage all by itself.

peachtree103 · January 2008

Now we just have to wait for the assumed embargo to end, and we should be getting some detailed, semi-real world info on this puppy.

rayainsw · January 2008

From the Getting To Know Your 2008 G8 booklet:

6-Way Power Seat Adjustment
(if equipped)
The power seat switch is located on the
outboard side of each front seat.
 To move a front seat forward or
rearward, move the switch forward or
rearward.
 To adjust the height of a front seat,
move the switch up or down.
 To tilt the position of a front seat,
move the switch in the desired
direction.

Also:

Seatback and Lumbar Adjustment
The recline knob and lumbar adjustment
knob are located on the outboard side of
the seatback.

qbrozen · January 2008

cool. so if that's all accurate, its actually a 10-way seat. You'd think they'd advertise that, huh?

rayainsw · January 2008

. . its actually a 10-way seat. You'd think they'd advertise that, huh?

A discussion of G8 marketing ( so far ) I expect will be fruitless.

Your point regarding the seat adjustments may be valid.
I have yet to see the actual slick G8 sales brochure  though I understand that some dealers do have them.

I do recognize that there are significant difficulties with launching a car when it is produced overseas & shipped here across the ( wide ) ocean.

Yet it seems to me that GM \ Pontiac could have learned a thing or 2 about the logistics of such a launch from the GTO and from the many other import models launched each year.

Some potential buyers may well see this car at an upcoming auto show, grab a brochure & reject the G8 out of hand based on a quick scan of features list. Possibly discarding the G8 due to:

No integrated XM.
No HUD available.
6way instead or 8 or 10 or 12-way adjustable seats.
Or some other item(s) that some potential buyers want \ need,
And that are missing at launch . . .

Crossing the G8 off any list of potential purchases based on the check-list sort of preliminary evaluation seems a bit superficial & unfair  but I have actually worked a few auto shows here in Atlanta. And I have seen some interesting reactions from people after spending just a few seconds in a front seat or scanning a window sticker.

One challenge for marketing of the G8 GT \ V8 ( I mean no disrespect in any of my posts regarding the V6 version  it is just not of any interest to me ) is that some people are likely to look at the GT as a cut rate BMW 550i. And some will see it as a BMW wannabe.

I hasten to add immediately that I see no way that GM \ Pontiac ( or any manufacturer ) can provide ** ALL ** of the goodness built into a $58K+ MSRP BMW, for something in the low $30K range.

In the acceleration category, it appears ( darn the embargoed actual times various publications will likely release in a few weeks ) that the G8 GT will be quite close to the BMW 550. The trunk is larger.

The seats have what I see as adequate adjustability  for me.

The key goal of marketing the G8, it seems to me, ought to be to convince people to go to a dealer & drive one.

I believe that most first year sales of the V8 version will be sold based on dynamics ( acceleration, transmission behavior, handling, ride, etc. ) and the interior being good enough. However one defines that.

Does this mean that bringing ( rushing?? ) the G8 to market, without items that some want or need, is a mistake?

I do not know.

I expect that the 2009 model year ( whenever that starts for the G8  soon?? ) may bring one or 2 of these items.

Is it a mistake to launch with so few G8s ( V6s or V8s ) that many dealers will not have one. Possibly for months. And then, smaller dealers ( like where I bought my last Grand Prix ) may see only a very few for the whole rest of calendar 2008.

Again, I do not know.

Pending Edmunds ( and everyone elses ) reports & my own opportunity to test drive one, the jury I still out on whether or not this will prove to be My Next Sport Sedan.

And it appears that with a relative few at dealers, it may be somewhat difficult to find somewhere to test drive a GT \ V8  anytime soon. I drove about 200 miles ( round trip ) to test drive the first Grand Prix GXP delivered to a dealer in Georgia. Because I wanted to test drive one, right then  and make some decisions. Right now, although I am very, very curious  I can wait to make a decision.

For those who have been waiting for a RWD V8 Pontiac, and want or need ( lease ending soon, etc. ), I can see ( and I have read ) a level of annoyance & frustration with this whole situation.

We shall see how this plays out.
How initial sales go.
Etc.

Sounds like these should actually appear at ( some ) dealers within 30 days or so.

As I have said here before, I applaud GM \ Pontiac for bringing what appears to be a very good, V8 RWD Sport Sedan to market. I am watching with great interest, but no great urgency. . .
- Ray
Will drive some distance again, if required, for opportunity to test . . .

paisan · January 2008

Yup next spring I'll be in the market and I'll likely wait for the 2010 (due in spring 09) Legacy to come out as it will be full-sized with an H6 Turbo putting out around 350-375hp and a 6MT. So once that hits the market I'll compare that and the G8 and see which is better. I may also consider a used CTSV as well (1st gen).

-mike

bigelm · January 2008

Too many pages to scan but I can confirm that Pontiac marketing failed to identify that the premium pkg gives you power 6 way seats with manual height and lumbar adjustability. So technically you have a total of 10 way adjustments. Also it's for both driver and front passenger, at least the pic in the brochure shows this.
No mention on the 6MT in there though

Dealers are already tagging their vehicles as of Jan. 31, 2008. They will be able to tag their allocated amount for January and do so again for February. Tagging will end Feb. 27, 2008 for the first shipment, so if your dealer was unable to tag what you want the first time around, they can for February allotment.

Quoted GM Tagging Announcement

GM is pleased to announce that the initial tagging for 2008 MY G8 units will begin on Thursday, January 31, 2008 and conclude on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 for monthly tagging allowances based on the January consensus.

If a desired pattern order is not available at gminventory.com when tagging, please check back within your monthly tagging period since the site will be updated regularly as vehicles are shipped.

rayainsw · February 2008

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=124607?tid=edmunds.il.ho- me.photopanel..1.*

"Pontiac also says the G8 GT will do zero to 60 mph in just 5.3 seconds and run the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 101 mph."

I had previously seen the 5.3 - not the 13.8 @ 101

qbrozen · February 2008

hmmmm... so does that indicate when they will arrive? If first shipment tagging ends Feb. 27th ... does that mean something like early April in the showrooms?

bigelm · February 2008

January's batch will start to appear in dealers beginning of March (timeframe is 4-6 weeks), so yes.... we can predict that February's will appear late March, early April. I have a fully loaded Ignition Orange tagged. - Should be showing up first week of March. It's an AT but we'll see if I decide to wait for an MT.

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