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I didn't know you have stuff on your website from "jerks" like me.
earlier this week. All I can say is that that thing is one bizarre looking SUV. Caddy has gone way the far with there new EVOQ inspired styling. Why they would completely disregard the muscular, forceful styling of the current Escalade to replace it with what looks like a bolt on grill from a Mad Max movie?
With the exception of the front, and a few minor
styling details its still a Denali/Yukon. The only
interior difference I could see was a "really
useful" analog clock in to lower dash array.
So, all of you waiting for this new luxo SUV to go
on sale, had better seriously consider the new
Denali (same improved mechanics, none of the
horrific Caddy 21st century styling)unless you've got a pair of slick leather pants and go by the name Road Warrior!
--Butta
with aztek, evoq,.. i dunno what to make of gm's
design except maybe they're big mad max fans
--Butta
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/ap/20000818/bs/cadillac_new_models_h6n.html
http://www.cadillac.com/escalade2002
--Butta
http://www.media.gm.com/gmc/00news/idxagile.html
and pdf here
http://www.media.gm.com/gmc/pdf/newdenali.pdf
all options to Ford options. I though is was pretty well done. I just wish that they would have shown all the colors.
Lars
--Butta
selection color. I like the red my family doesn’t
so it's between the Pewter Metallic or Polo Green Metallic. I don't like the brown/tan interior so
the color got to go with the gray interior.
Will be placing my order 1st of Sept for a Denali XL with moon rf and 2nd row bucket. If anyone
has any color pic please post.
Lars
P.S. The base pricing for both SUV's will be $46,650 and $48,185 (a little steep for an SUV don't you think)
-- Butta
or better yet "What do you mean the Yukon Denali only has 330 horsepower?"
Unfortunately, those of you that are backing the Yukon have not done the proper research into the Escalade. I will not deny that alot of the body is still the same as the Denali or for that matter the Tahoe. But when you get down to the actual Technologies that are in the Escalade I don't see any Luxury SUV coming anywhere close to the Fusion of Power and Technology.
Many people who have purchased the old Denali are kind of like Lincoln Buyers. They see all the value in the car, but they just cannot afford to step all the way up to a Cadillac.
My final words are " GOOD LUCK DENALI"
AND, I would take a Lincoln over a Caddy any day of the week. The Caddy drivers I've seen on the road lately seem on the quick path to senility. And speaking of Escalade, if you really want an SUV buy an LX470 not a Escalade...biggest joke of the 2001 lineup...
Cadillac has gone over the top once again with the new Escalade. It may offer a few upgrades over the new Denali but is it worth it?
The new Escalade will start at around $46,500 for the 2wd version (yes 2wd, 285hp), and top out very close to $50,000 (4wd, 330hp, loaded).
My question to you "pahnke23":
Is the Stabilitrak, so-called high end leather, and the "Fusion of Power and Technology" (whatever that means) worth the extra bucks?
Now, if that money tree in your backyard is bearing fruit, by all mean drop $50K on the Escalade. If your like the rest of us and work very hard for your money, compare the two SUV's and see which one is the better value
--Butta
The Denali XL is a big rig but I'd rather have the drive and handling of the Cadillac with Stabilitrak. The Mercedes ML has the "ESP" feature that seems similar in purpose. This feature has been commented on many times on the ML boards on how ESP keeps the ML from loosing control in various conditions. I also like the higher HP and torque on the Cadillac. I think both Cadi and Denali have some of the same "American" build issues that I have become accustomed to on our American Built ML430 unfortunately!
I think it is personal preference and not necessarily price. I've asked GMC what price over invoice to pre-order Denali and they stated $1000 over Invoice. I asked Cadillac dealer the same and they stated $500 over Invoice. Once you add features such as Stabilitrak and the higher grade leather and perhaps the extra $$$ in design costs (even if you don't like it I'm sure it costs more to put the cadi front end on vs. the standard GMC).
I'm not sure if I like the look of the Cadi but the lights look like they will illuminate the road well : ) Let's face it, most American SUV's aren't lookers any way. Basically, big bread boxes with minor aerodynamic mods to attract the public but still provide the function of large cargo capacities. I do like the Lincoln Nav front end hood/grill more than any other American SUV. I also like the dash better in the Nav and the true digital electronic climate control. I hate the look of the Three knobs to set climate functions in GMC Trucks even with automatic climate control..Americans make cheap looking dashes and switches in my opinion.
Bottom line buy what you like and feel is important to you.
Cheers
lookers any way. Basically, big bread boxes..."
(hey, I resemble that comment).
You forgot to add IMO.
Because IMO, a lot of people would disagree with you. IMO, I like trucks, and I like the look of trucks. At least these suv's try to look like trucks. IMO, the MB ML series is a glorified station wagon with 4wd. (not a lot of room, and won't haul squat, IMO) But hey, you can't beat those 0 to 60 times right!
Sorry, just had to vent. These new wannabe mini suv's (MB BMW etc) make me sick.
But lets face it, not even half of these full size Denali's and Escalades will ever see Utility work anyway. (other than some golf clubs to the country club).
Oh yea, IMO.
Yes, the escalade was 3 grand more for nicer leather and 4 emblems. However, you did get a year and 14,000 miles longer warranty. The lease program on it was better than the denali. If you are leasing it, they came out to about 25 bucks different per month. Now that the new ones are hitting the market you have a different scenario. IMHO (thanks for the reminder joelis!), the stabilitrac, the 345 (not 330) hp motor, the warranty, the leather, the etc.... will make it a breeze to sell the Cadillacs now. If I can just get over the look of the headlights now . Of course, I said the same thing with the new deville... now I love it. Jeff
Maybe the GMC owners don’t care about Stabilitrac, and laugh at the concept of Fusing Art & Technology. People like that probably drink orange soda, have tattoos, watch nascar races, and are white trash (joke).
Sure the Cadillac does not handle and accelerate as well as a v8 BMW X5 of Mercedes ML55 AMG. If you want a vehicle that accelerates fast and handles well you shouldn’t be looking at an SUV you should be looking at a sports car. The fastest SUVs performance is comparable to cheap cars. You should buy an SUV because of its record of safety, amount of luxuries, great visibility, and towing/hauling capacity.
I can’t wait to try out the Cadillac Evoq that comes out in 2002 as a 2003. The Evoq will be made at the Corvette plant, be on the Corvette frame, replace the current Eldorado, and be a much faster car than the Chevy Corvette is.
The word Cadillac is synonymous with best. This is because Cadillac’s are the best automobiles that come out of America. I just thought I’d mention this to the people on the board who have different “wrong” opinions about Cadillacs.
Seriously, The styling of the Escalade is certainly different, maybe even Avant Guard. Who knows, the new sheet metal might even grow on ya (kinda like foot fungus or hair plugs).
My biggest problem is all of you "Escaladers" slamming the Denali in favor of Caddy's Stabilitrak. All the system boils down to is a safeguard for those of you who can't control your SUV to begin with (may I suggest a Volvo wagon instead).
Ok, I'm done venting. Now I've gotta go get an orange soda pop and catch a NASCAR race while Billie Ray puts another tattoo of my mobile home on my chest. OUT!
-- Butta
I hope you read this and see how stupid this sounds... are you telling us that you can "control" your vehicle better than this technology in a spur of the moment maneuver? Even pro racers can't. In many instances your brain will not work dependably and fast enough under these maneuvers. Certainly there is no way You can decide which brake circuit to apply hydraulic pressure to correct in such instances.
Denali and the complete GMC truck line will soon have this feature anyway. Cadillac is getting it 1st probably as a marketing ploy to attract more buyers. I suppose you will try to disconnect on your next GMC purchase!
You should join a Cadillac Slamming Forum and post there....I'm sure you probably already do.
I may very well buy a GMC Yukon XL to get the awesome 8.1L engine option which I favor over a deluxe interior Denali or Cadillac Escalade. I'm torn between the 4WD systems though and would rather have the Full Time AWD Denali or Cadillac systems over the Part Time system in the Yukon line. In my opinion, the fact that all 4 wheels have torque vs. having to transfer from rear axle to front once slippage is detected is far superior. Once again, this AWD technology will filter down the complete line eventually. Perhaps with a low gear function standard on some models..which I think Cadillac should have included with their offering. Knowing that most GMC drivers never take their SUV's offroading, especially the Cadillac/Denali owners, it was not opted for. For those who do the lack of a low range will be a significant shortcoming.
I think stabilitrac is a worthwhile safety feature like ABS. Some people think that they can break better without ABS, maybe on snow in some cases they can, but 99% of the time ABS is better. I would assume that 99% of the time stabilitrac is better than a normal suspension. Mercedes turn off when the go into 4 wheel skids. I don’t think that’s safe at all.
I read that the intake and exhaust manifold on the 2002 Denali and Escalade is off of the Vette, very cool.
The point about the Evoq being slower than a Vette is a good one. The $900k Evoq prototype has a write up in popular mechanics. Its horsepower and torque will be a lot higher than the Vette because of its turbo Northstar that gives off 400+ HP, but the automatic transmission and its weight might hurt its performance.
I don’t work for Cadillac. I’ve just had great service and cars from Cadillac and I feel I owe it to them to put in a good word.
And I quote: " Stabilitrak helps keep you in control in sudden maneuvers". Lets not forget, this is a 2 ton + "truck", it should not be driven like sports or F1 racecar to begin with.
My beef is with those "Escaladers" that use the feature to slam the new Denali. Any feature that adds to your safety and control should be a gimme not a selling point.
Compare looks to looks, power & performance to power & performance; amenities to amenities then tell me which one offers the better value.
If you want to drive and Escalade then go right on ahead, I hope the Stabilitrak is worth the extra 2K-3K you've paid. Maybe I'll wait until '02 and get a Denali with standard Stabilitrak! OUT again
--Butta
So far it has grown into just what I hoped it would, a place for people to express idea and gather information.
Thank you all (I am so proud...lol)
--Butta
I wish that GMC would make one SUV with all of the options available. Then we could get Stabilitrak, auto climate control, permanent 4WD (AWD) with low range.... It seems that we are never able to get it all and have to make compromises. I would like a Denali XL (3/4 ton) with 8.1L, Stabilitrak, Auto Climate Control for both front and rear, Sunroof, Rear Parking Sensors. Don't think it will happen until Model Year 2002 or 2003. It would also be nice to have a factory GPS system available.
P.S. - don't want to argue the subject to death but Stabilitrak also kicks in if you go around a corner and hit and unexpected slick spot which causes you to start to loose the rear end. So even a good/thoughtful driver could benefit from technology in these circumstances.
Any driver who abuses the road and ignores physics and the law of gravity will easily "outdrive" Stabilitrak hopefully only injuring him/herself. Similar to seeing the idiots in any 4WD in the snow and ice thinking that they are immune to the conditions.
Are you makin' nice with me?
Maybe we can get our trucks in matching colors or something. I feel we've really bonded.
FYI to all. GMC should update their website with new info on the Denali in about 2 weeks, be sure to check it out.
--Butta
Thanks.
white.
Write this down.
Lars
What color is Polo Green?
Pewter-11U
Black-41U
Polo Green-47U
Garnet Red-72U
and Summit White-50U
We ordered a Pewter with the grey interior and a sunroof. (I think the only other option on the regular Denali is the engine block heater.) The XL, I understand, has the option of second row buckets; which we like for better accessability to the rear seating, but don't want the extra length.
The pricing I have heard-not yet confirmed by the dealer-is $46,650 Denali and $48,185 for the XL. If the markup remains the same as last year (invoice at .875 of MSRP), this would make them $40,819 and $42,162 respectively.
That same day, this dealer received a 2001 color book with every color (interior and exterior) listed by name and code. Polo green looks like... well... medium metallic green!
PS. I have read the "2000 Yukons/Tahoes - Any Details?" since last December, and I have not read as much chatter about nothing, ie. "Stabilitrak" in that entire time!
To the anti-Caddy guys... If people need whatever reason to justify their purchase, let them! You will know right away if you are arguing a moot point.
To the Caddy guys... If you just tell the other guys, "Hey I just want a Cadillac." instead of trying to convince them you are buying it because of this Stabilitrak option, they may just leave you alone...
I was given a hard time in other forum from the Suburban/Yukon XL guys for wanting to order a Yukon Denali XL. And I thought the 6.0L engine in a 1/2 ton XL was a great reason to buy the Denali XL.
(Ok, that was a long PS)
Dave
Details?" are too busy figuring out their window problems to care about stabilitrak....also the nerf bars, fender guards, reprogramming remotes, and such...LOL
The kit includes all sorts of information on the new Escalade and 38 color 35mm slides. It also includes a CD-ROM with everything in electronic form and the 38 images in both hires jpegs and lowres FPOs.
I plan to post the information on my web site, since Edmunds seems so touchey about copyrighted material even though I have permission to reprint it. So plan to visit the web site once I have had a chance to go over it and format a web page for it.
A couple of interesting things. The Escalade comes with the 3rd row seats standard. It is only offered with a liftgate/liftglass rear. It also comes with a Ultrasonic Rear Parking Assist (backup sensor), Goodyear P265/70R17 tires, and something called a Diversity Antenna System.
I don't think that meredith is overreacting. If you had to scroll through all the posts, you would get tired of the inconsiderate people who cut and paste and don't even have the decency to hide their post....hmmm, I think we discussed this before....